Thanks a lot, Obamacare

[Denny Crane]

Wanna bet many millions of people lose their insurance this year?

 

[Eastoff]

Wanna bet many millions of people lose their insurance this year?

Sorry, it's not illegal to let those 12 year old children make shoes! Don't blame the factory for cutting those jobs, blame the discriminating minimum age laws! /s

 

[DaLincolnJones]

Sorry, it's not illegal to let those 12 year old children make shoes! Don't blame the factory for cutting those jobs, blame the discriminating minimum age laws! /s

wow..way to drag the conversation in an obscure direction...pffft

 

[Denny Crane]

Sorry, it's not illegal to let those 12 year old children make shoes! Don't blame the factory for cutting those jobs, blame the discriminating minimum age laws! /s

It's my insurance that's being cancelled. It's been an excellent insurance policy for us. It's paid for employees' wives having babies, a surgery I had last year (cost me just a couple $hundred), etc. It was a benefit of joining this company.

If my company insurance is dropped, I expect many many companies will be dropped. And that's going to be another huge bad debacle for this bullshit law.

With the best of intentions, these progressive ideas do a lot of damage. The problem is those progressives won't admit it and fix it.

 

[barfo]

It's my insurance that's being cancelled. It's been an excellent insurance policy for us. It's paid for employees' wives having babies, a surgery I had last year (cost me just a couple $hundred), etc. It was a benefit of joining this company.

If your employer thinks paying for your healthcare is still a benefit that they want to provide, then they will do so. If they don't, then you are free to find another job that does pay healthcare. It's the perfect libertarian employment market, so I don't know what you are complaining about.

If my company insurance is dropped, I expect many many companies will be dropped. And that's going to be another huge bad debacle for this bullshit law.

With the best of intentions, these progressive ideas do a lot of damage. The problem is those progressives won't admit it and fix it.

I don't know, my employer isn't dropping health coverage. I guess my employer values me more than your employer values you. Free market, baby. Yes, you can eat libertarian cake, Denny. If this was actually a progressive health plan, our employers wouldn't be involved at all.

barfo

 

[DaLincolnJones]

It's my insurance that's being cancelled. It's been an excellent insurance policy for us. It's paid for employees' wives having babies, a surgery I had last year (cost me just a couple $hundred), etc. It was a benefit of joining this company.

If my company insurance is dropped, I expect many many companies will be dropped. And that's going to be another huge bad debacle for this bullshit law.

With the best of intentions, these progressive ideas do a lot of damage. The problem is those progressives won't admit it and fix it.

I understand this as well. My wife has had trouble with her insurance from the first of the year. The union she belongs to dropped their insurance and hooked up with cover oregon, and we all know how cover oregon has had issues...so she has had dental and vision, but her health care has been non existent. We have had to pay out of pocket with zero chance of being reimbursed. Just last week she found a crack in the system to force coverage due to her being charged from day one and she was able to use some special "trust me" thing that will bridge until cover oregon is no longer broken...woot

 

[Denny Crane]

If your employer thinks paying for your healthcare is still a benefit that they want to provide, then they will do so. If they don't, then you are free to find another job that does pay healthcare. It's the perfect libertarian employment market, so I don't know what you are complaining about.



I don't know, my employer isn't dropping health coverage. I guess my employer values me more than your employer values you. Free market, baby. Yes, you can eat libertarian cake, Denny. If this was actually a progressive health plan, our employers wouldn't be involved at all.

barfo

They may offer a lesser quality plan. They may drop coverage for my wife. This is just idiotic. As is you apologizing for ObamaCare.

I like my plan. I want to keep it.

Let them eat cake. Assholes.

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-m...ar-if-you-like-your-health-care-plan-keep-it/

 

[maxiep]

I guess we had to pass it to know what's in it.

I'm sure that it's such a winner Democrats will embrace it this midterm election.

 

[Denny Crane]

Barfo doesn't have the first clue about libertarianism.

He's just making up shit to be on the wrong side. Again.

 

[maxiep]

Barfo doesn't have the first clue about libertarianism.

He's just making up shit to be on the wrong side. Again.

Why do you bother?

 

[Natebishop3]

If your employer thinks paying for your healthcare is still a benefit that they want to provide, then they will do so. If they don't, then you are free to find another job that does pay healthcare. It's the perfect libertarian employment market, so I don't know what you are complaining about.



I don't know, my employer isn't dropping health coverage. I guess my employer values me more than your employer values you. Free market, baby. Yes, you can eat libertarian cake, Denny. If this was actually a progressive health plan, our employers wouldn't be involved at all.

barfo

I thought the whole point of obamacare was to get more people on healthcare?


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[barfo]

They may offer a lesser quality plan. They may drop coverage for my wife. This is just idiotic.

That does sound idiotic. Sounds like they don't care about keeping their employees happy.

I like my plan. I want to keep it.

I'm sure that you can go buy an equivalent plan on your own. You just don't want to pay for it.

barfo

 

[Denny Crane]

In barfoland, money grows on trees. Less affordable insurance with lesser quality is something companies will just have to pay for. Somehow.

The employees will pay for it, somehow. Like less profit sharing, if the company has one.

My employer wrote this in email: "affordable care act will affect us in terms of cost and coverage."

Let them eat cake, barfo.

 

[maxiep]

What's hilarious is people in the middle class think the Democrats represent them. The Democrats are the party of the very rich and the very poor. Of course, they are also now the party of the middle class sucker, because look at the wealth transfers and ask: To and from are they going?

I used to be a proud Democrat. I mistakenly believed the GOP was the party of the rich. Then I went to work in corp fin and I realized what a fool I was. Now I say a pox on both their houses.

We complain about our government, yet we vote at a 90% clip to keep our representatives. It's madness.

Bottom line, if you voted for Obamacare, but didn't read the bill or know the provisions in detail when you voted for it, you are not fit for office. Your vote put your party before the people. Health care for all? A fine idea and a wonderful goal, but this bill simply made health insurance more unaffordable and more bureaucratic. It stinks on ice, but people in Washington were more interested in a political victory (supporting or opposing the bill) than they were in helping the American people.

 

[barfo]

In barfoland, money grows on trees. Less affordable insurance with lesser quality is something companies will just have to pay for. Somehow.

The employees will pay for it, somehow.

Did you think your employer-paid healthcare was somehow 'free' before?

My employer wrote this in email: "affordable care act will affect us in terms of cost and coverage."

Isn't that what everyone, including you, expected? Why the surprise?

barfo

 

[Denny Crane]

Did you think your employer-paid healthcare was somehow 'free' before?



Isn't that what everyone, including you, expected? Why the surprise?

barfo

I think the company's profits are a huge part of my security. Paying more for lesser service hurts my security. This is true for about a hundred million people who are about to lose their insurance.

Let them eat cake, barfo.

I hope it happens to you.

 

[DaLincolnJones]

I think the company's profits are a huge part of my security. Paying more for lesser service hurts my security. This is true for about a hundred million people who are about to lose their insurance.

Let them eat cake, barfo.

I hope it happens to you.

Its easy for the holier than thou club to make light of the plight of others, right up to the point that they become effected. I dont wish ill of others, but it would be poetic justice if he were to have to share the same fate

 

[barfo]

I think the company's profits are a huge part of my security. Paying more for lesser service hurts my security. This is true for about a hundred million people who are about to lose their insurance.

Let them eat cake, barfo.

I hope it happens to you.

Heh. Well, I don't think 100M people are going to lose insurance. Their coverage might change in various ways (some good, some not so good).

You've repeatedly argued that employees should either accept what their employer offers, no matter how miniscule, or go find a better job. I think you are free to do that. Seems like that's all the security you ask for, and you've got it.

barfo

 

[Denny Crane]

Heh. Well, I don't think 100M people are going to lose insurance. Their coverage might change in various ways (some good, some not so good).

You've repeatedly argued that employees should either accept what their employer offers, no matter how miniscule, or go find a better job. I think you are free to do that. Seems like that's all the security you ask for, and you've got it.

barfo

If they don't have the better insurance they have already had, they're losing their insurance.

By your reasoning, if you lose a $5 bill but find a $1 bill, you've still got money.

100M people are going to lose their insurance.

You can't spin it away.

Let them eat cake.

 

[barfo]

Its easy for the holier than thou club to make light of the plight of others, right up to the point that they become effected. I dont wish ill of others, but it would be poetic justice if he were to have to share the same fate

Yes, yes, I'm so hostile to the plight of others that I'm in favor of universal healthcare (and failing that, Obamacare) so that some of the people who don't have health insurance at all can get it. If that costs Denny or I a few extra bucks, so be it. It's true I'm not so sympathetic with the 'plight' of Denny, because I think he's just whining for political effect.

barfo

 

[Denny Crane]

Yes, yes, I'm so hostile to the plight of others that I'm in favor of universal healthcare (and failing that, Obamacare) so that some of the people who don't have health insurance at all can get it. If that costs Denny or I a few extra bucks, so be it. It's true I'm not so sympathetic with the 'plight' of Denny, because I think he's just whining for political effect.

barfo

You simply care about the universal health care (which it isn't) that isn't affordable (it isn't) at the cost of fucking up a lot of people.

let them eat cake.

 

[barfo]

If they don't have the better insurance they have already had, they're losing their insurance.

By your reasoning, if you lose a $5 bill but find a $1 bill, you've still got money.

That is, of course, literally true - you still do have money - so I guess it is pretty good reasoning.

100M people are going to lose their insurance.

And 100M people are going to get insurance they didn't have before! Hooray Obamacare!

barfo

 

[Denny Crane]

That is, of course, literally true - you still do have money - so I guess it is pretty good reasoning.



And 100M people are going to get insurance they didn't have before! Hooray Obamacare!

barfo

So $1 healthcare is a good thing to have when you used to have the $5 version.

Your reasoning is bogus.

100M people are going to get $1 after losing $5.

You hooray, meaning "let them eat $1 cake!"

 

[barfo]

So $1 healthcare is a good thing to have when you used to have the $5 version.

Your reasoning is bogus.

100M people are going to get $1 after losing $5.

You hooray, meaning "let them eat $1 cake!"

I think you are exaggerating wildly.

barfo

 

[Denny Crane]

I think you are exaggerating wildly.

barfo

I think you haven't a clue about the damage that's been going on because of this law.

People are paying more for new policies that have less features and MUCH higher deductibles.

I met a realtor last night who said he's paying $800/mo for him and his wife and their deductible is $25,000.

Good times, barfo.

You can't spin this piece of shit into something good. You cannot polish this turd.

 

[barfo]

I think you haven't a clue about the damage that's been going on because of this law.

People are paying more for new policies that have less features and MUCH higher deductibles.

I met a realtor last night who said he's paying $800/mo for him and his wife and their deductible is $25,000.

Good times, barfo.

You can't spin this piece of shit into something good. You cannot polish this turd.

That's nothing. I met a guy who says he is paying 70 bajillion dollars per second and his deductible is $1 trillion.

It's the end of life as we know it.

barfo

 

[donkiez]

Have you seen any of the "alternatives", mentioned in the letter, yet?

 

[Denny Crane]

Have you seen any of the "alternatives", mentioned in the letter, yet?

No. I talked to our CEO today about it and he told me what I quoted, directly.

My employer wrote this in email: "affordable care act will affect us in terms of cost and coverage."

If they pay more and get way better coverage, great. But they won't have as much money to hire an extra person as soon, eh?

Let those unemployed workers eat cake.

 

[MarAzul]

I thought the whole point of obamacare was to get more people on healthcare?


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Wrong! The whole point of Obamacare is to eliminate the self insured employers from providing health care to their people. That is or was a huge group and now people will need to buy insurance that is available to everyone, including the previously uninsurable and the unemployed.. Now the big difference beyond forcing everyone into the government controlled pool is, they now can give it to Obama's constituents via subsides.

The last leg yet to fall is the employers switching to buy insurance or choosing not to provide insurance. If they choose the latter they save the tax, the risk and the upfront costs, for a small penalty.

 

[maxiep]

It's so sad. So many people were led to believe they could keep their doctor, they could keep their plan and only those making over $250K would pay more. Those people put their hopes in the promises candidate Obama made to them. He lied and they keep believing he has their best interests at heart.