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MarAzul said:
Really! What is a mainstream Christian leader?
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The video went viral.
look for it as I don't have time right now.
Doesn't matter if it's not your "sect".
American people generalize all of Islam without actually reading the whole passage. Can't have it both ways.
 
e_blazer said:
It was this dip wad. https://www.google.com/amp/www.ibtimes.com/who-steven-anderson-anti-gay-pastor-banned-south-africa-orlando-shooting-comments-2415393?amp=1

To call him a mainstream pastor is absurd. You can call Josef Stalin a mainstream atheist by the same logic.
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No, not him.
It was a Baptist pastor in Sacramento. He identifies as christian and was a leader of a church in mainstream sect.
If people desire to throw all of Islam into one category like many on this forum have. As well as many Americans do.
Then you must agree with throwing all Christians into one category.

Don't have time to look for the video right now.
Regardless if he was denounced by other Baptists. I remember the same thought process coming from other people in other secs growing up.

I am not going to get into a religious debate with anyone.
 
riverman said:
I don't know about mainstream but here's a pretty long list
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_...n_Poverty_Law_Center_as_anti-LGBT_hate_groups
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Oh! Well that has got to be the word! Not only do they target most Christian groups, but man they have to be on the side of good in the on going battle against evil. I see they also target Country Music. Saintly.

uh I missed though, just who among the evil doer's condoned the killing of the night club in Orlando?

PS
I looked a little deeper into this group.
They fight anyone belonging to any group in place
primarily because of their opposition to socialism, communism,anarchism, progressivism and liberalism and their ultraconservative or reactionary tendencies which limited new access to power and status.

I sense the cross-hairs focusing on me.
 
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honkicracker said:
No, not him.
It was a Baptist pastor in Sacramento. He identifies as christian and was a leader of a church in mainstream sect.
If people desire to throw all of Islam into one category like many on this forum have. As well as many Americans do.
Then you must agree with throwing all Christians into one category.

Don't have time to look for the video right now.
Regardless if he was denounced by other Baptists. I remember the same thought process coming from other people in other secs growing up.

I am not going to get into a religious debate with anyone.
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Okay, it was this dip wad, who if you read the article, is connected with the other dip wad.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/sacbee...tainment/living/religion/article92740612.html
 
honkicracker said:
No, not him.
It was a Baptist pastor in Sacramento. He identifies as christian and was a leader of a church in mainstream sect.
If people desire to throw all of Islam into one category like many on this forum have. As well as many Americans do.
Then you must agree with throwing all Christians into one category.

Don't have time to look for the video right now.
Regardless if he was denounced by other Baptists. I remember the same thought process coming from other people in other secs growing up.

I am not going to get into a religious debate with anyone.
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It's better to just throw all humans in the same bag. You'll are pretty disgusting.
 
e_blazer said:
Okay, it was this dip wad, who if you read the article, is connected with the other dip wad.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/sacbee...tainment/living/religion/article92740612.html
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Yeah that's him. Regardless if you agree with him or not he's still part of Christianity.
As well as told the followers of the church he led he condoned the act. So there are mainstream leaders of church who do condone it.
If I asked the husband of the lady who cuts my hair in Hillsboro, I bet he'd have similar views.
Simply because I remember him saying something similar about San Fran when I was 14.

So TLDR the statement I bolded in a previous post was false.
 
magnifier661 said:
JUST FYI.

This rhetoric was exactly why Trump won the white working class American voters. Feel free to harp on this. I'm sure this will surely broaden the Democratic tent.
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Newsflash, I'm not a Democrat and I didn't vote for Hillary.
 
dviss1 said:
Newsflash, I'm not a Democrat and I didn't vote for Hillary.
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You are a progressive and associate with the left, just like there are deep conservatives on the right that say they aren't Republican. In the end, there are only two parties to vote for President. The other votes aren't just protest votes or "non votes" as a vote. If you lean right, your Protest third party or non-vote gives a vote to the left. Same applies to the left giving votes to the right.

Maybe someday there will be a legit third party, but we aren't even close to one having any influence on a presidential election.
 
Natebishop3 said:
Are you talking about a black teacher calling white students a racist name?

Or are you talking about a black teacher calling black students that racist name?
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Either way would be a problem for people. I was talking about a black teacher and black kids but everyone freaks out not because of what was said but who said it.
 
dviss1 said:
You like to assume too much. Tuvok is one of my favorite characters on Star Trek. I'm a Treckie. One of the reasons why I'm a Trekkie, is because it depicts us three hundred years into the future when we were past all of this bullshit and we didn't blow this planet up. It also shows black people in roles where they get to use intelligence to solve problems instead of perpetuating the stereotypes that are perpetuated today.
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Okay, that would be amazing.

How can we get there if we don't change everything about our racial identity? Right now a black person can't do ABC and a white chick can't do DEF and so on.

When does this happen if black guys havs to be a certain way or other black guys will call them an Uncle Tom?

If I can't say the exact same thing in the exact same way as you do how can that future exist?

If black people get stuck in shitty neighborhoods and white people move away every time black people start moving in how can that future exist?

I'm not going to be around to see it happen but if people don't figure it out with unbearable and painful dialogue how can anything change?
 
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dviss1 said:
Ignorance. Look up the Iroquois Confederacy. They lived in peace for over 160 years and invented the game LaCrosse. And please don't ever spit on what's happened to natives in this country. White people killed over 80 million of them but that holocaust is swept under the rug. The natives would've been completely fine sans-European colonialism.
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So what do you think would have happened to the Americas, if the Europeans never came? Because you're so certain they would've been fine.
 
magnifier661 said:
You are a progressive and associate with the left, just like there are deep conservatives on the right that say they aren't Republican. In the end, there are only two parties to vote for President. The other votes aren't just protest votes or "non votes" as a vote. If you lean right, your Protest third party or non-vote gives a vote to the left. Same applies to the left giving votes to the right.

Maybe someday there will be a legit third party, but we aren't even close to one having any influence on a presidential election.
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The message I got from the Trump victory is that the people who put him over the top wanted "change". I get that because I voted for Clinton in '92 (NOT in '96) and for Obama in '08 & '12 because I too wanted "change". What I got every time was the same old shit. And I think what our country got this election is the same old shit, only with a slant to the right. BFD. If voters were genuinely interested in "change" they would have voted for Stein or Johnson. All they've done this go around was called heads instead of tails and labeled it "change". So in essence, these "change" voters who voted for Trump are actually afraid of real "change". My vote for Johnson was NOT a protest vote. It's because I wanted an actual "change" from the usual crooks on both sides of the aisle. And until the people who really and truly want "change" quit drinking the "a third party can't win koolade" that both parties forcefully shove down our throats and show those current (and ineffectual) two parties to the junk heap we're going to continue the right to left (and back again) cycle of the same old shit.....
 
UncleCliffy'sDaddy said:
The message I got from the Trump victory is that the people who put him over the top wanted "change". I get that because I voted for Clinton in '92 (NOT in '96) and for Obama in '08 & '12 because I too wanted "change". What I got every time was the same old shit. And I think what our country got this election is the same old shit, only with a slant to the right. BFD. If voters were genuinely interested in "change" they would have voted for Stein or Johnson. All they've done this go around was called heads instead of tails and labeled it "change". So in essence, these "change" voters who voted for Trump are actually afraid of real "change". My vote for Johnson was NOT a protest vote. It's because I wanted an actual "change" from the usual crooks on both sides of the aisle. And until the people who really and truly want "change" quit drinking the "a third party can't win koolade" that both parties forcefully shove down our throats and show those current (and ineffectual) two parties to the junk heap we're going to continue the right to left (and back again) cycle of the same old shit.....
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None of Johnson and Stein and Trump represent real 'change'. If people really want 'change', they should start an actual revolution, and overthrow the government.

A rich man taking off his dress shirt and putting on a ratty wifebeater that smells of vomit and cigarettes is not 'change'. It doesn't change his circumstances, it just makes people think he's lost his mind.

barfo
 
UncleCliffy'sDaddy said:
The message I got from the Trump victory is that the people who put him over the top wanted "change". I get that because I voted for Clinton in '92 (NOT in '96) and for Obama in '08 & '12 because I too wanted "change". What I got every time was the same old shit. And I think what our country got this election is the same old shit, only with a slant to the right. BFD. If voters were genuinely interested in "change" they would have voted for Stein or Johnson. All they've done this go around was called heads instead of tails and labeled it "change". So in essence, these "change" voters who voted for Trump are actually afraid of real "change". My vote for Johnson was NOT a protest vote. It's because I wanted an actual "change" from the usual crooks on both sides of the aisle. And until the people who really and truly want "change" quit drinking the "a third party can't win koolade" that both parties forcefully shove down our throats and show those current (and ineffectual) two parties to the junk heap we're going to continue the right to left (and back again) cycle of the same old shit.....
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Jill Stein could not win. She had no chance. The Green Party aren't even on the ballot with some states! LOL
 
MarAzul said:
You have no facts. You allude to "christian terrorists" but you know there are no facts.
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terrorism] The unlawful use of violence and intimidation, especially against civilians, in the pursuit of political aims
this is oxfords definition
https://www.nstarpost.com/news/new-...against-anti-muslim-extremist-robert-doggart/
doggart is an ordained minister of the christian national church
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frazier_Glenn_Miller_Jr.
former leader of NC chapter of KKK, convicted murderer
http://www.kkkknights.com/
"restore america to a great christian nation" Klans home page, an organization that has used terrorism and murder to further its agenda through out our nations post civil war history still very active
http://www.armyofgod.com/
murder, bombings, the terror tactics of this christian organization still active as in Roeder
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_Identity
https://vault.fbi.gov/Christian Identity Movement /Christian Identity Movement Part 1 of 1/view
FBI paper describing the organization and numerous crimes including murder to further their agenda of hate
http://archive.adl.org/learn/ext_us/christianidentity_pop_up.html
a partial list of active christian identity churches
the first two fellows exist and are or have been leaders of churches or organizations professing to christian. one planned to carry out an act of terrorism but was arrested by the FBI before could follow through, the other murdered innocents.
the KKK still exists
the army of god still exists
the christian identity movement still exists

they are all active
the existence of these terrorist organizations leads to my conclusion that christian terrorists exist.
my conclusion is based in fact and logically true
 
magnifier661 said:
The Green Party aren't even on the ballot with some states!
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I strongly protest that all parties are not on every ballot and included in every debate....I voted for a guy who I thought had a humble approach to the job and seemed to be a good listener...although like all 3rd party candidates...they go into an election feeling they have no chance and no voice. I wanted an anti-personality this time...somebody who might be a guy working a simple job and willing to listen without baggage....I knew going into this election that the baggage was going to reek on both sides and it did..
 
Nikolokolus said:
Gotta get rid of those mud people right? Or is it the ovens for people that don't agree with you?
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