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herb jones looks terrific and i just caught some highlights.

but damn, he's already 23 as a rookie. Ant is nearly a year younger than him. Keep that in mind when evaluating Jones.
 
illmatic99 said:
herb jones looks terrific and i just caught some highlights.

but damn, he's already 23 as a rookie. Ant is nearly a year younger than him. Keep that in mind when evaluating Jones.
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He’s already a terrific defender and shooter now and would be 25 before we have to give him an extension and the next extension after that wouldn’t happen until Dame is out of the league. I think that’s a valuable asset to have for Dame’s prime if all it cost was an expendable piece like Powell.
 
illmatic99 said:
herb jones looks terrific and i just caught some highlights.

but damn, he's already 23 as a rookie. Ant is nearly a year younger than him. Keep that in mind when evaluating Jones.
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Yeah, I’d love Jones. Id also point out that this is also true when evaluating Ant. Im curious what his numbers are by the end of the season.
 
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I'd prefer to follow up with a CJ trade (of course), but even if we didn't that's a more balanced team.

Lillard/Simons
CJ/Simons
Little/Brown
Grant/Nance
Nurkic/Zeller

If we could swing CJ > NO, NO sending something to Boston, and Smart > Portland, we'd become a very tough team that equips Lillard and Simons to cook and surround them with length, toughness, and guys to do dirty work.

Lillard/Simons
Smart/Simons
Little/Brown
Grant/Nance
Nurkic/Zeller
 
boredinsalem said:
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I'd prefer to follow up with a CJ trade (of course), but even if we didn't that's a more balanced team.

Lillard/Simons
CJ/Simons
Little/Brown
Grant/Nance
Nurkic/Zeller

If we could swing CJ > NO, NO sending something to Boston, and Smart > Portland, we'd become a very tough team that equips Lillard and Simons to cook and surround them with length, toughness, and guys to do dirty work.

Lillard/Simons
Smart/Simons
Little/Brown
Grant/Nance
Nurkic/Zeller
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If we trade Powell instead of CJ I'm going to be extremely annoyed.
 
boredinsalem said:
If we could swing CJ > NO, NO sending something to Boston, and Smart > Portland, we'd become a very tough team that equips Lillard and Simons to cook and surround them with length, toughness, and guys to do dirty work.
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i like that idea, but Grant doesn't really fit the dirty work kinda mold. Dude is and wants to be a chucker with high usage.
 
illmatic99 said:
i like that idea, but Grant doesn't really fit the dirty work kinda mold. Dude is and wants to be a chucker with high usage.
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He's been playing for nothing the past year and a half on the worst team in the league and was a stellar dirty work guy before that. GMAB.
 
boredinsalem said:
He's been playing for nothing the past year and a half on the worst team in the league and was a stellar dirty work guy before that. GMAB.
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From one report anyway... doesn't sound like he's very interested in that idea. There were also reports that he left Denver for the same reason, and that he had a similar offer from a team on the brink of contention in the Nuggets but chose to go to Detroit instead, where he led the team to the #1 draft pick.

https://nba.nbcsports.com/2022/01/1...ami-grant-wants-big-offensive-role-if-traded/

Sources say Grant expects to sign a lucrative extension in the ballpark of four years, $112 million this offseason. For any team to sign off on a trade for Grant, they’ll need assurances of his plans to re-sign this offseason, just like Gordon did in Denver. Grant also has little interest in joining a new situation where he doesn’t feature as a primary offensive option, sources said.
 
illmatic99 said:
From one report anyway... doesn't sound like he's very interested in that idea. There were also reports that he left Denver for the same reason, and that he had a similar offer from a team on the brink of contention in the Nuggets but chose to go to Detroit instead, where he led the team to the #1 draft pick.

https://nba.nbcsports.com/2022/01/1...ami-grant-wants-big-offensive-role-if-traded/

Sources say Grant expects to sign a lucrative extension in the ballpark of four years, $112 million this offseason. For any team to sign off on a trade for Grant, they’ll need assurances of his plans to re-sign this offseason, just like Gordon did in Denver. Grant also has little interest in joining a new situation where he doesn’t feature as a primary offensive option, sources said.
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I get that's the narrative, but he made a hell of a good business decision when he left Denver, no? I think if he's a co-#2 option with Ant (and Nurk as a #4) there's plenty of shots to go around, especially if we have players like Smart, Little, Nance, Zeller, and Snell.
 
Mr. Robot said:
fucking grant left denver to sign for... detroit and for the same money denver was offering to him

he wants to chuck shots, thats it
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i don't think he's really motivated by winning, and i have no interest in giving him a contract close to 30 mil/ yr. I showed the stats earlier-- Nas projects to be him with fairly normal development, and his impact is identical to Powell's. Only thing is that he's taller.
 
boredinsalem said:
I get that's the narrative, but he made a hell of a good business decision when he left Denver, no? I think if he's a co-#2 option with Ant (and Nurk as a #4) there's plenty of shots to go around, especially if we have players like Smart, Little, Nance, Zeller, and Snell.
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that's the thing. I don't want him being the #2 option. Nor do I want to pay him like one. He's pretty inefficient and needs the ball to produce. And his defense, even while in Denver, was trending downward.
 
boredinsalem said:
and more athletic, better post defender, sets better picks, guards 3/4s, etc.
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again.

in theory. but in reality he doesn't really do any of that well.

I'd be OK with a Powell for Grant swap, begrudgingly due to his contract extension. But I don't want to give up more than that. I even said I liked your idea. Just know what you're getting with him.
 
This year:

Powell: 33 min, 18.6 pts, 46% FG, 40% 3pt, 3 rebs, 2 asts. 59% TS, 16.1 PER (23% usage rate)
Grant: 33 min, 20.1 pts, 41% FG, 33% 3pt, 4.8 rebs, 2.6 asts, 54% TS, 16.7 PER (27% usage rate)

Career numbers for defense are fairly close as well.

That 33% from 3 is not pretty, especially since Grant throws up more than 5 a game.
 
Idog1976 said:
Yeah, I’d love Jones. Id also point out that this is also true when evaluating Ant. Im curious what his numbers are by the end of the season.
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If he he scores less, he becomes more realistically attainable imo, despite the defensive production. They’re 24th in offense without Williamson, but I feel like they almost have to try and go for it and try to make the playoffs just to convince Zion on the extension. Ingram is a 3 and Zion is a 4, and I feel like Jones would be their third choice of the three. They need more scorers at the guard position.

I also think Trey Murphy III has the size and attributes to be Herb Jones as well though, he just doesn’t get to see the floor. I think if NOP started seeing the play-in slip away, we might be able to get a lightly protected (maybe top 8-10 protected or something) 1st with Murphy for Powell. With the Lakers, Clippers, Kings, and Timberwolves all in that play-in picture, it’s not even a guarantee that NOP would make the playoffs if they kept Jones and added Powell. AD has returned and Kawhi might return.

You’d have to really buy into Murphy to like the deal. But I don’t think it would be unrealistic to end up with Murphy and, say, the 11th pick in this year’s draft.
 
illmatic99 said:
This year:

Powell: 33 min, 18.6 pts, 46% FG, 40% 3pt, 3 rebs, 2 asts. 59% TS, 16.1 PER (23% usage rate)
Grant: 33 min, 20.1 pts, 41% FG, 33% 3pt, 4.8 rebs, 2.6 asts, 54% TS, 16.7 PER (27% usage rate)

Career numbers for defense are fairly close as well.

That 33% from 3 is not pretty, especially since Grant throws up more than 5 a game.
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That 4.8 rebounds per game is pretty horrendous as well. Jeez.
 
Boise Blazer said:
I'm all for having confidence in yourself but some of these players clearly don't understand that there are only 30 teams that can have a number one option. And if you are 50th best player in the league how does that work???
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Because all those players play for Lakers and Nets?
 
Grant will NEVER be the first option on a great team. Surely he doesn't believe that he could lead a team to a deep playoff run. As was posted here, if he is your third option, ya got a chance to contend.
 
BigGameDamian said:
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