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MickZagger said:
Its why you utilize the draft and trades.

If you have a non-winning, overpaid roster you trade it for players with upside who can play and/or picks to mix up the staleness. You don’t unload 2 starting quality players for 2 guys who likely aren’t in the future plans and a C-list prospect.
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The Blazers traded two highly paid starting quality but not championship players) for the ability to retain the prospect they do value (Simons) going forward - because the organization would not have been able to sign him going forward otherwise. The only difference between what happened and what you identified as a need is that the prospect was already on the roster.

In other words, the organization believes that with opportunity, the prospect they would have lost would provide the production of the assets that were lost.

The reasonable business equation to make is not Roco + Powell > Keon Johnson which is what is happening this year, but ask if Roco + Powell > Simon + Roco - because next year, if the trade was not made, the Blazers would lose Roco anyway and not be able to sign Simons. So, basically, since we can eliminate Roco from both sides of the equation - the question was - is Powel > Simons. Obviously the organization did not think so.

You can argue that better options were available - and maybe they were and maybe they were not - I certainly do not have the data to back this assertion - but your basic formula to asses the trade in a vacuum is not right.
 
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illmatic99 said:
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Intriguing ... the Blazers had interest, correct? Is there some connection perhaps with the Blazers and Pacers FOs? Smith would be a guy fitting where the Blazers currently have nothing.
 
PCmor7 said:
Intriguing ... the Blazers had interest, correct? Is there some connection perhaps with the Blazers and Pacers FOs? Smith would be a guy fitting where the Blazers currently have nothing.
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there were no reports of Portland having interest in him, as much as I did. But all that died when we learned about limitations of his contract long term.
 
PCmor7 said:
Intriguing ... the Blazers had interest, correct? Is there some connection perhaps with the Blazers and Pacers FOs? Smith would be a guy fitting where the Blazers currently have nothing.
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I can't see KP trading with us unless he absolutely rapes our front office--something not that hard to achieve.
 
maxiep said:
I can't see KP trading with us unless he absolutely rapes our front office--something not that hard to achieve.
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KP had glowing remarks about Cronin a few months back. He actually was the first guy who hired Joe in Portland, so I don't see any more hard feelings.

That said, Indy and San Antonio were the really big winners of this deadline I think.
 
illmatic99 said:
KP had glowing remarks about Cronin a few months back. He actually was the first guy who hired Joe in Portland, so I don't see any more hard feelings.

That said, Indy and San Antonio were the really big winners of this deadline I think.
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His beef isn't with the personnel, it's with ownership and the franchise. He still blames us for his addiction issues.
 
illmatic99 said:
there were no reports of Portland having interest in him, as much as I did. But all that died when we learned about limitations of his contract long term.
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I'll take your word for that first part, but I'm pretty sure I read something a month or so ago.
 
maxiep said:
His beef isn't with the personnel, it's with ownership and the franchise. He still blames us for his addiction issues.
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I ran into him a few times when I lived in Indy. Once at Costco when he was with kids, and another time at a gym downtown. Took all my will power not to go over and curse him out for the Oden pick.

He got his revenge with the Babbitt pick that's for sure.
 
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That Gerald Wallace trade back in the day gives me hope every time the deadline is over. But it looks like.... thats all folks.
 
illmatic99 said:
I ran into him a few times when I lived in Indy. Once at Costco when he was with kids, and another time at a gym downtown. Took all my will power not to go over and curse him out for the Oden pick.

He got his revenge with the Babbitt pick that's for sure.
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Hate the playa, not the game. You wouldn't have found a GM that would have taken Durant over Oden in that position at that time.

KP would have been a great GM for the Blazers to have right now, IMO. He certainly assembled a good roster out of chicken scratch and fleeced a couple of other teams in the process. Brought in plenty of draft assets and maximized them.
 
MickZagger said:
Its why you utilize the draft and trades.

If you have a non-winning, overpaid roster you trade it for players with upside who can play and/or picks to mix up the staleness. You don’t unload 2 starting quality players for 2 guys who likely aren’t in the future plans and a C-list prospect.
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Exactly. Better to just hold onto the veterans, until another team decides they want to win now and will cough up a useful asset for one of them. If another team doesn't offer, then you just let them walk in the summer which we could've done with Roco.

If we ever really needed the unlikely scenario of cap space from Norm to sign a star or something we trade Norm at that time to an OKC type rebuilding team with a late pick for cap space. That would never have been hard to do. That is basically a worse case scenario if Norm ages into a very toxic contract.

Instead now we've lost the opportunity of getting any value for Roco and Norm, or the opportunity of keeping them around as a rotational player if we actually did want to go through with the Dame contending fantasy.

I thought it near impossible to have a trade that is a losing trade if you contend and a losing trade if you rebuild. Somehow Joe managed that with the Clippers trade.
 
WesleyMatthews said:
Exactly. Better to just hold onto the veterans, until another team decides they want to win now and will cough up a useful asset for one of them. If another team doesn't offer, then you just let them walk in the summer which we could've done with Roco.

If we ever really needed the cap space from Norm to sign a star or something we trade him to an OKC team with a late first round pick or suck.

Instead now we've lost the opportunity of getting any value for Roco and Norm, or the opportunity of keeping them around as a rotational player if we actually did want to go through with the Dame contending fantasy.
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We have a shot, but the margin for error is slim. Cronin did himself no favors with the Clippers trade and not getting a little more back in terms of draft picks. It's not a foregone conclusion, IMO, that it couldn't be pulled off, although, as I mentioned somewhere else, I think a Kevin Pritchard who valued the draft and was really good at swinging trades would have been the ideal GM to have for what the Blazers are supposed to be trying -- or need -- to do right now.
 
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