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Denny Crane said:
One week is blocking.

Obama's picks were voted on the day he took office.
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Obama's picks were nowhere near as controversial as Trumps'. Otherwise the Republicans would have NEVER approved them....or at least without a serious brouhaha. That didn't happen......
 
UncleCliffy'sDaddy said:
Obama's picks were nowhere near as controversial as Trumps'. Otherwise the Republicans would have NEVER approved them....or at least without a serious brouhaha. That didn't happen......
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Elections have consequences.

These are the republicans who obstructed Obama's agenda from day one, right?
 
Denny Crane said:
Elections have consequences.

These are the republicans who obstructed Obama's agenda from day one, right?
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You are absolutely correct! Elections do have consequences. Blocking and/or delaying confirmation of a controversial president's controversial cabinet choices are some of those consequences. Deal with it.
 
Meanwhile in Tehran no Americans are allowed since he started this . The other six Muslim counties will probably follow suit. One thing for sure the Donald is an expert at creating shit storms. He can't run the world and this country like his golf course in Bedminister NJ. Does he really know what he is doing??
 
https://sethfrantzman.com/2017/01/2...lim-ban-possible-and-the-media-wont-tell-you/

The Department of Homeland Security targeted these seven countries over the last years as countries of concern. In February 2016 “The Department of Homeland Security today announced that it is continuing its implementation of the Visa Waiver Program Improvement and Terrorist Travel Prevention Act of 2015 with the addition of Libya, Somalia, and Yemen as three countries of concern, limiting Visa Waiver Program travel for certain individuals who have traveled to these countries.” It noted “the three additional countries designated today join Iran, Iraq, Sudan and Syria as countries subject to restrictions for Visa Waiver Program travel for certain individuals.” It was the US policy under Obama to restrict and target people “who have been present in Iraq, Syria, Iran, Sudan, at any time on or after March 1, 2011 (with limited government/military exceptions).” This was text of the US Customs and Border Protection in 2015 relating to “the Visa Waiver Program and Terrorist Travel Protection Act of 2015“. The link even includes the seven nation list in it: “Iraq, Syria, Iran, Sudan, Somalia or Yemen.” And the media knew this back in May 2016 when some civil rights groups complained about it. “These restrictions have provoked an outcry from the Iranian-American community, as well as Arab-American and civil-liberties groups, who say the restrictions on dual nationals and certain travelers are discriminatory and could be imposed against American dual nationals.”

It was signed into law on December 18, 2015, as part of the Omnibus Appropriations Act of FY2016.

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UncleCliffy'sDaddy said:
You are absolutely correct! Elections do have consequences. Blocking and/or delaying confirmation of a controversial president's controversial cabinet choices are some of those consequences. Deal with it.
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Sore losers have every right to be sore losers. What comes around, goes around.
 
UncleCliffy'sDaddy said:
Denny's pat answer to everything he doesn't have a legitmate answer for; "Sore losers, "butt hurt", yada, yada,... "Nobody puts Denny in a corner"...........
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If republicans are sore losers next time, they should block and delay the president's picks. What comes around goes around.

When you stoop to personal insults, it means the truth is not on your side.
 
Nikolokolus said:
America elects the candidate whose spirit animal is PT Barnum.

Reacts in horror when the circus comes to town.
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Elections have consequences.

He is doing what people elected him to do.
 
Denny Crane said:
If republicans are sore losers next time, they should block and delay the president's picks. What comes around goes around.

When you stoop to personal insults, it means the truth is not on your side.
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Personal insults?????? Go back and look at your post history, dude......if the truth is an insult, then you have a legitimate case.....and what goes around HAS come around.
 
UncleCliffy'sDaddy said:
Personal insults?????? Go back and look at your post history, dude......if the truth is an insult, then you have a legitimate case.....and what goes around HAS come around.
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I've not insulted a poster here.

I called the democrats in the senate sore losers. No need to get bent out of shape. The facts are on my side.
 
STATEMENT BY SENATORS McCAIN & GRAHAM ON EXECUTIVE ORDER ON IMMIGRATION

Washington, D.C. – U.S. Senators John McCain (R-AZ) and Lindsey Graham (R-SC) released the following statement today on the President’s executive order on immigration:

Our government has a responsibility to defend our borders, but we must do so in a way that makes us safer and upholds all that is decent and exceptional about our nation.

It is clear from the confusion at our airports across the nation that President Trump’s executive order was not properly vetted. We are particularly concerned by reports that this order went into effect with little to no consultation with the Departments of State, Defense, Justice, and Homeland Security.

Such a hasty process risks harmful results. We should not stop green-card holders from returning to the country they call home. We should not stop those who have served as interpreters for our military and diplomats from seeking refuge in the country they risked their lives to help. And we should not turn our backs on those refugees who have been shown through extensive vetting to pose no demonstrable threat to our nation, and who have suffered unspeakable horrors, most of them women and children.

Ultimately, we fear this executive order will become a self-inflicted wound in the fight against terrorism. At this very moment, American troops are fighting side-by-side with our Iraqi partners to defeat ISIL. But this executive order bans Iraqi pilots from coming to military bases in Arizona to fight our common enemies. Our most important allies in the fight against ISIL are the vast majority of Muslims who reject its apocalyptic ideology of hatred. This executive order sends a signal, intended or not, that America does not want Muslims coming into our country. That is why we fear this executive order may do more to help terrorist recruitment than improve our security.

http://www.mccain.senate.gov/public...cain-graham-on-executive-order-on-immigration
 
Denny Crane said:
https://sethfrantzman.com/2017/01/2...lim-ban-possible-and-the-media-wont-tell-you/

The Department of Homeland Security targeted these seven countries over the last years as countries of concern. In February 2016 “The Department of Homeland Security today announced that it is continuing its implementation of the Visa Waiver Program Improvement and Terrorist Travel Prevention Act of 2015 with the addition of Libya, Somalia, and Yemen as three countries of concern, limiting Visa Waiver Program travel for certain individuals who have traveled to these countries.” It noted “the three additional countries designated today join Iran, Iraq, Sudan and Syria as countries subject to restrictions for Visa Waiver Program travel for certain individuals.” It was the US policy under Obama to restrict and target people “who have been present in Iraq, Syria, Iran, Sudan, at any time on or after March 1, 2011 (with limited government/military exceptions).” This was text of the US Customs and Border Protection in 2015 relating to “the Visa Waiver Program and Terrorist Travel Protection Act of 2015“. The link even includes the seven nation list in it: “Iraq, Syria, Iran, Sudan, Somalia or Yemen.” And the media knew this back in May 2016 when some civil rights groups complained about it. “These restrictions have provoked an outcry from the Iranian-American community, as well as Arab-American and civil-liberties groups, who say the restrictions on dual nationals and certain travelers are discriminatory and could be imposed against American dual nationals.”

It was signed into law on December 18, 2015, as part of the Omnibus Appropriations Act of FY2016.

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Faux outrage. Where was the outrage then?
 
I don't understand most of the complaints with the temporary ban on admissions to the US.

People bitch about singling out Muslims. Well they didn't do that, I would but Trump did not. His administration selected seven countries they say export terrorism.
But people want to continue to say, they are banning Muslims. While also bitching about not banning people from Saudi Arabia, as if they want a Muslim ban?

Well, Bin Laden was from there, Obama had his ass shot and time moves on, it's been 16 years now since 9/11. Perhaps ISIS and Al qeada have morphed and moved to new territory. Dammed if I know.

It seems pretty damn logical to me that time be taken to ascertain how we fight ISIS and who should have unfettered access to this country. Very logical.
 
MarAzul said:
I don't understand most of the complaints with the temporary ban on admissions to the US.

People bitch about singling out Muslims. Well they didn't do that, I would but Trump did not. His administration selected seven countries they say export terrorism.
But people want to continue to say, they are banning Muslims. While also bitching about not banning people from Saudi Arabia, as if they want a Muslim ban?

Well, Bin Laden was from there, Obama had his ass shot and time moves on, it's been 16 years now since 9/11. Perhaps ISIS and Al qeada have morphed and moved to new territory. Dammed if I know.

It seems pretty damn logical to me that time be taken to ascertain how we fight ISIS and who should have unfettered access to this country. Very logical.
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In one word, "procedure".
Trump is guilty of the same lack of following procedures that Obama was guilty of.

It was not what Obama and Trump have done that was wrong, it is how they did it that made them wrong. Both ignored official procedures. Both placed themselves above the law. Both bit off more than they can chew, and lost the support of a large number of voters whiling to give them and their party a chance.
 
Denny Crane said:
https://sethfrantzman.com/2017/01/2...lim-ban-possible-and-the-media-wont-tell-you/

The Department of Homeland Security targeted these seven countries over the last years as countries of concern. In February 2016 “The Department of Homeland Security today announced that it is continuing its implementation of the Visa Waiver Program Improvement and Terrorist Travel Prevention Act of 2015 with the addition of Libya, Somalia, and Yemen as three countries of concern, limiting Visa Waiver Program travel for certain individuals who have traveled to these countries.” It noted “the three additional countries designated today join Iran, Iraq, Sudan and Syria as countries subject to restrictions for Visa Waiver Program travel for certain individuals.” It was the US policy under Obama to restrict and target people “who have been present in Iraq, Syria, Iran, Sudan, at any time on or after March 1, 2011 (with limited government/military exceptions).” This was text of the US Customs and Border Protection in 2015 relating to “the Visa Waiver Program and Terrorist Travel Protection Act of 2015“. The link even includes the seven nation list in it: “Iraq, Syria, Iran, Sudan, Somalia or Yemen.” And the media knew this back in May 2016 when some civil rights groups complained about it. “These restrictions have provoked an outcry from the Iranian-American community, as well as Arab-American and civil-liberties groups, who say the restrictions on dual nationals and certain travelers are discriminatory and could be imposed against American dual nationals.”

It was signed into law on December 18, 2015, as part of the Omnibus Appropriations Act of FY2016.

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How is this E.O. above the law?
 
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oldfisherman said:
Both ignored official procedures.
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Perhaps you are correct, and thank you for stepping up.
But please clarify just a bit more.

Obama on his own, without input from Congress dictated how many refugees we would take in from several countries. In addition, he did not enforce existing immigration law.
So it seems to me that he sure did not follow any procedure. But I could be corrected.

Trump on the other hand is not violating any law or section of the Constitution that I am aware of as of this moment. Sure could be corrected though.

On the other hand, it seems to me Trump is doing exactly what the Constitution calls for in Article IV

"Section. 4.
The United States shall guarantee to every State in this Union a Republican Form of Government, and shall protect each of them against Invasion; and on Application of the Legislature, or of the Executive (when the Legislature cannot be convened), against domestic Violence."

Several states have already complained about being stuffed with refugees without even being notified, let alone giving consent.

A temporary halt to this activity seems procedurally appropriate, until the official procedures are developed, especially in light of the FBI and Intelligence agencies telling us they can not vet these people.

http://dailycaller.com/2015/10/21/f...et-all-syrian-refugees-for-terror-ties-video/

Sorry, link corrected
 
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In case anyone cares about what is actually going on here.

Secure America Now
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[Breaking] : President Donald J. Trump Statement Regarding Recent Executive Order Concerning Extreme Vetting

“America is a proud nation of immigrants and we will continue to show compassion to those fleeing oppression, but we will do so while protecting our own citizens and border. America has always been the land of the free and home of the brave. We will keep it free and keep it safe, as the media knows, but refuses to say. My policy is similar to what President Obama did in 2011 when he banned visas for refugees from Iraq for six months. The seven countries named in the Executive Order are the same countries previously identified by the Obama administration as sources of terror. To be clear, this is not a Muslim ban, as the media is falsely reporting. This is not about religion - this is about terror and keeping our country safe. There are over 40 different countries worldwide that are majority Muslim that are not affected by this order. We will again be issuing visas to all countries once we are sure we have reviewed and implemented the most secure policies over the next 90 days. I have tremendous feeling for the people involved in this horrific humanitarian crisis in Syria. My first priority will always be to protect and serve our country, but as President I will find ways to help all those who are suffering.”
 
oldfisherman said:
In one word, "procedure".
Trump is guilty of the same lack of following procedures that Obama was guilty of.

It was not what Obama and Trump have done that was wrong, it is how they did it that made them wrong. Both ignored official procedures. Both placed themselves above the law. Both bit off more than they can chew, and lost the support of a large number of voters whiling to give them and their party a chance.
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There is no "procedure" in law anywhere that is required to be followed for a President to defend our country from foreign invaders who mean to do us harm, or from countries that fund and train such foreign invaders. It's pretty much his main duty to US.

For Presidents who refuse to defend our borders, or give funds to countries that train terrorists ($150,000,000,000.00 to Iran), you'll be happy to know there IS a procedure for that. It's called Impeachment. Funny you didn't bring that up when it happened.
 
So is anybody besides Saggy Balls Sullivan defending this? Ahh Baldo Rivera and Dentures McGee seem to be in favor as well.

if you are all about this, and aren't an old wet brain senile Sam, then you have no excuse.
 
3RA1N1AC said:
So is anybody besides Saggy Balls Sullivan defending this? Ahh Baldo Rivera and Dentures McGee seem to be in favor as well.

if you are all about this, and aren't an old wet brain senile Sam, then you have no excuse.
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Ha! That is pretty funny stuff. But forget defense, have you got a damn thing to correct what Maris or I posted?
If not, carry on.
 
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