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Phatguysrule said:
Which brought us our best big since... Zach Randolph? Nurk is really good.


Most teams in the league never trade for superstar players... Olshey traded for Chris Paul in his prime. That's probably a better trade than all but 3 other active GMs have ever made.
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That was about Plumlee and the pick. Nurk was a great surprise, but not the reason.

Stern gave the Clippers Chris paul.
 
Strenuus said:
That was about Plumlee and the pick. Nurk was a great surprise, but not the reason.

Stern gave the Clippers Chris paul.
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It was so much about the pick. Nurkic seemed almost like a throw-in/afterthought from Olshey's initial comments. He was also the 2nd choice as they had looked elsewhere but teams wouldn't through in a pick.
 
Most in here that wanted Nurk assumed that we'd have to include a pick with Plumlee in order to get him. We GET a pick, along with Nurk, but because of the press conference after, everyone assumes Neil is an idiot, and fell backwards into an upgrade. That just seems like some revisionist history to me. I'm annoyed at his lack of movement to bring in an impact player to go along with Dame, but that all seems like crap to me.
 
https://www.oregonlive.com/blazers/...zers_neil_olshey_were_probably_a_6_point.html

Why trade Mason Plumlee and why right now?

Olshey: Well, you know, look Mason's impending free agency was certainly a factor. We love Mason. We're going to miss him around here. We wouldn't have been in the second round of the playoffs last year without him. But there's certain realities to managing our (salary) cap. We felt like we needed to get younger at the center position. We wanted more of a low post player, someone that could defend size, strength. We found that with Jusuf. And, look, this is the hard part of the business is you have guys that you get attached ... but you've got to make business decisions. We felt like in the long run this will pay longer dividends, having a young guy on a rookie scale (contract). We manage our cap with it. He gives us a different look defensively. He's a big time rebounder. And I think he'll make the game easier for guys like Dame (Lillard) and CJ (McCollum) because we've got more presence in the paint now defensively.
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Gives some detail into what Nurk provides for them that Plumlee didn't/couldn't/wouldn't. As well as hitting on the cap ramifications of it. But, I'm sure he basically didn't know who he was, and just liked getting a 1st and a throw in.
 
RR7 said:
Most in here that wanted Nurk assumed that we'd have to include a pick with Plumlee in order to get him. We GET a pick, along with Nurk, but because of the press conference after, everyone assumes Neil is an idiot, and fell backwards into an upgrade. That just seems like some revisionist history to me. I'm annoyed at his lack of movement to bring in an impact player to go along with Dame, but that all seems like crap to me.
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There are plenty of other things for those people to discount Olshey for. This is not one of them, at all.
 
TBpup said:
It was so much about the pick. Nurkic seemed almost like a throw-in/afterthought from Olshey's initial comments. He was also the 2nd choice as they had looked elsewhere but teams wouldn't through in a pick.
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Why would he put undue pressure on Nurk by overly hyping him up?

That was a hell of a move, however you want to spin it. So was the Chris Paul deal. Another move like either of those would catapult this team into contention.
 
you can probably look at the Nurkic trade a couple of different ways

one way is that Olshey kind of stumbled into the trade and was quite willing to trade Plumlee for Jahlil Okafor. Circumstantial 'evidence' kind of supports that because Philly held Okafor out of a game or two thinking they had a done deal with Portland

the other way is that Olshey was using some basic GM 101, playing Philly and Denver against each other. Both teams had distraction C's they wanted to dump and Olshey was offering an option. At the last minute Denver added a 1st to the pot and Olshey 'backed out' of the Philly deal and accepted Denver's offer

the thread connecting those two trade options is that Portland would be able to punt Plumlee's RFA summer a year down the road with a different rookie scale contract. They were already scheduled to be over the tax line and that was before counting Plumlee's QO or new salary. Another thread of course is Olshey was trying to leverage a draft pick. Denver blinked 1st, but they seem happy with Plumlee
 
wizenheimer said:
you can probably look at the Nurkic trade a couple of different ways

one way is that Olshey kind of stumbled into the trade and was quite willing to trade Plumlee for Jahlil Okafor. Circumstantial 'evidence' kind of supports that because Philly held Okafor out of a game or two thinking they had a done deal with Portland

the other way is that Olshey was using some basic GM 101, playing Philly and Denver against each other. Both teams had distraction C's they wanted to dump and Olshey was offering an option. At the last minute Denver added a 1st to the pot and Olshey 'backed out' of the Philly deal and accepted Denver's offer

the thread connecting those two trade options is that Portland would be able to punt Plumlee's RFA summer a year down the road with a different rookie scale contract. They were already scheduled to be over the tax line and that was before counting Plumlee's QO or new salary. Another thread of course is Olshey was trying to leverage a draft pick. Denver blinked 1st, but they seem happy with Plumlee
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Philly did have multiple teams interested in Okafor so it's a bit of a stretch to think he was held out for Portland's sake.

Portland gave Denver a 2nd round pick in the trade too. What likely happened (all just a guess) is that Denver offered Nurk and a 2nd round pick for Plumlee. Olshey then tried to use Okafor as leverage that he was going to take their offer. Denver then probably agreed to add the 1st but only if they got back a 2nd.

What happens if a GM thinks a player is underutilized or would fit better on his team? If we say Olshey "stumbled" into Nurk then we are basically saying that no GM could foresee a player being better with a change of scenery. People are forgetting that Nurk came back from injury towards the end of his 2nd year and had some really, really good games towards the end of it. 4 of his last 7 games played he had stat lines of 18 points, 4 rebounds, 5 assits, then 19 points, 7 rebounds, 3 assists, then 21 points and 10 rebounds, then against Portland 11 points, 14 rebounds, 4 assists, 5 steals, 3 blocks, and 8 turnovers (ha ha). Are we to assume that Olshey didn't watch that game in Portland? That summer Nurkic and Jokic were considered untouchable by Denver. I remember lots of people being interested in them but Denver wasn't going to deal them. Then of course the season started and Malone couldn't find a way for it to work playing both so Nurk moved to the bench and then started getting DNP's because of his attitude. Just because some people had never heard of Nurk doesn't mean he wasn't thought of as a good player if his attitude could be fixed. It's completely short term memory if we are only basing the trade on a few months of that season. That is the only reason he was even available. He wasn't some throw-in to make the money work like when Portland got Alonzo Gee in the Afflalo trade.
 
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Man, no matter how you slice it....

The Nurk deal has worked well for us. Got a first rounder with him, got extra years out of it (we got an extra “cheap” year because Nurk was on his rookie deal, then signed Nurk to a 4-year deal vs Mason’s 3-year deal, which, by the way, Nurk also signed for a lower AAV), and got the better and younger player.

Argue all you want about the “behind-the-scenes” things that we really can only speculate about... I’ll just be happy with the deal.

And Nurk has greater value today, in the event he ends up being moved for another player.
 
hoopsjock said:
Philly did have multiple teams interested in Okafor so it's a bit of a stretch to think he was held out for Portland's sake.
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nope...no stretch at all


https://www.nbcsports.com/philadelp...for-because-trade-blazers-was-close-happening

the Nurkic trade happened 11 days before the trade deadline. So, if there were "multiple teams" interested in him there was plenty of time for Philly to go to option B. Instead, they had to thrash around for 10 more months before they found a taker for Okafor. In other words, the alleged interest didn't amount to much
 
Strenuus said:
That was about Plumlee and the pick. Nurk was a great surprise, but not the reason.

Stern gave the Clippers Chris paul.
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Bottom line, we got a great player. Stern vetoed Lakers trade but didn’t put together Clippers deal. That was all Neil.
 
BLAZINGGIANTS said:
Man, no matter how you slice it....

The Nurk deal has worked well for us. Got a first rounder with him, got extra years out of it (we got an extra “cheap” year because Nurk was on his rookie deal, then signed Nurk to a 4-year deal vs Mason’s 3-year deal, which, by the way, Nurk also signed for a lower AAV), and got the better and younger player.

Argue all you want about the “behind-the-scenes” things that we really can only speculate about... I’ll just be happy with the deal.

And Nurk has greater value today, in the event he ends up being moved for another player.
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Thank you
 
BonesJones said:
Kingspeed loves questioning everyone else. "Toronto got blown out, are they trash? Everyone said that about the Jazz game."
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People said good teams don’t get blown out but Toronto and GS have been blown out. Just pointing out that we shouldn’t overreact to losses. They happen to every team.
 
KingSpeed said:
People said good teams don’t get blown out but Toronto and GS have been blown out. Just pointing out that we shouldn’t overreact to losses. They happen to every team.
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Provide the quote. You're probably butchering what people are actually saying.
 
BonesJones said:
So a trade 8 years ago and one trade in the past 4 years that worked out and that means he's a good GM? Yikes.
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Do you have to make lots of trades to be a good GM? To me, he did a masterful job of keeping us competitive when Aldridge, Wes, and Lopez left. Lots of little moves that made a big difference. Basically turned RHJ and Steve Blake into Nurkic and Collins.
 
KingSpeed said:
Do you have to make lots of trades to be a good GM? To me, he did a masterful job of keeping us competitive when Aldridge, Wes, and Lopez left. Lots of little moves that made a big difference. Basically turned RHJ and Steve Blake into Nurkic and Collins.
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Yeah, or not sign Turner and Leonard to $28M a year contracts combined in the same off-season.

What GOOD little move has he done since Aldridge left (3.5 years ago) other than Nurk?

None.

You're the only one that thinks he's done a good job in this entire forum.

You should be a sports reporter or anchor somewhere. Neil would love you.
 
Phatguysrule said:
Why would he put undue pressure on Nurk by overly hyping him up?

That was a hell of a move, however you want to spin it. So was the Chris Paul deal. Another move like either of those would catapult this team into contention.
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Stern gave the clippers Chris paul.
 
BonesJones said:
Huh?
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Hoopguru said:
the quote feature?
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BonesJones said:
What about it...?
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KingSpeed said:
People said good teams don’t get blown out but Toronto and GS have been blown out. Just pointing out that we shouldn’t overreact to losses. They happen to every team.
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I believe it was said that 3 of the losses GS has had at home this year were by 20 or more points. Not the same dominant team they have been in the past.
 
BonesJones said:
Yeah, or not sign Turner and Leonard to $28M a year contracts combined in the same off-season.

What GOOD little move has he done since Aldridge left (3.5 years ago) other than Nurk?

None.

You're the only one that thinks he's done a good job in this entire forum.

You should be a sports reporter or anchor somewhere. Neil would love you.
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Signing Aminu and Ed Davis were good moves
 
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