The Afterlife? Real or Not

[Denny Crane]

I don't understand what it feels like, but that's irrelevant. I do understand drug induced hallucinations are demonstrably unreliable. That's trivial.

I wonder if mags ever saw lizards or the walls breathe. Common hallucinations among people who do LSD. The fact that many see the same hallucinations indicates the chemical affects most people's brain chemistry and the effects are the same.

 

[barfo]

I wonder if mags ever saw lizards or the walls breathe. Common hallucinations among people who do LSD. The fact that many see the same hallucinations indicates the chemical affects most people's brain chemistry and the effects are the same.

No, it indicates that there is one true god and everyone who takes drugs sees god in his true form.

A lizard.

barfo

 

[magnifier661]

I wonder if mags ever saw lizards or the walls breathe. Common hallucinations among people who do LSD. The fact that many see the same hallucinations indicates the chemical affects most people's brain chemistry and the effects are the same.

I wish the picture you've posted was visible. It looks interesting.

As your concept of same visuals. You are absolutely correct that many people have many "baseline" hallucinations. It's when people "mega dose" is where they see the next level. Most are extremely different. The walls breathing, neon strobing, melting and shit like that is "the waiting room". When you want to go further, you gotta break on through to the other side.

Also, what if the "afterlife" is all the same? That maybe, just maybe the similar experiences are because we all go to the same place? Just throwing that out there.

 

[magnifier661]

No, it indicates that there is one true god and everyone who takes drugs sees god in his true form.

A lizard.

barfo

I don't use drugs to prove God exists. I'm clearly pointing out that psychedelics has a very "spiritual feeling", regardless if you believe in God or not. I've met plenty of atheists that were heavy into psychs.

 

[Stevenson]

this has to be a level. you're implying drug-induced hallucination is actually glimpsing a part of objective reality we can't normally detect? that's beyond silly.

You bet. 99% of the world is invisible, undetectable with our senses. Can you see electricity? Or gravity? Or love? But they exist, even if you cannot "see" them.

"Beyond silly" is to think that your 5 senses can comprehend everything in the universe.

 

[barfo]

I don't use drugs to prove God exists.

But does God use drugs to prove you exist?

barfo

 

[magnifier661]

But does God use drugs to prove you exist?

barfo

I don't know. Maybe you should ask him when you see him.

 

[crowTrobot]

You bet. 99% of the world is invisible, undetectable with our senses. Can you see electricity? Or gravity? Or love? But they exist, even if you cannot "see" them.

"Beyond silly" is to think that your 5 senses can comprehend everything in the universe.

My silly comment was not directed at the notion of things existing beyond our bodily senses. I was referring to the claim that drugs somehow add "extra" senses, or whatever you were implying.

 

[barfo]

You bet. 99% of the world is invisible, undetectable with our senses. Can you see electricity? Or gravity? Or love? But they exist, even if you cannot "see" them.

"Beyond silly" is to think that your 5 senses can comprehend everything in the universe.

I like this thread, I think we are very close to a final resolution of this question

I'm not sure about the 99%. If you are saying that subatomic particles (electrons, gravitons) are part of the 'world' and we aren't seeing them, then isn't that in some sense 100% of the world?

Can't see electricity. Can detect it tho. Can prove it exists. Same for gravity. Love, well, you know. Love is everywhere. Like the aether, which turns out not to exist, so that's a bummer.

Senses don't comprehend anything, that's our minds. Senses sense, and we can extend our 5 senses with instruments. That's not a limitation to rationality.

barfo

 

[jlprk]

What about higher dimensions? Anyone want me to start talking about higher dimensions?

 

[TradeNurkicNow]

The cartoon on your avatar is a group of peeps that have done their fair share of psychs! I love adventure time!

true facts. adventure time is the best (or second best) cartoon on TV.

I've been "there and back again" and regained my shit and yeeeeeah no. Everything is in your mind.

 

[riverman]

Couple of thoughts here. Everyone has different blood sugar, body fluids, etc so it's not a good thing to assume that we all react to psychotropics or hypnosis or meditation, etc..the same. Our internal organs produce drugs that make us function. Whether you've taken recreational drugs or medicinal drugs or partaken in some Amazonian tribal ritual for some spiritual quest, we don't have all these answers. It's safe to assume that certain drugs when injested enhance one's perception of anything, reality or fantasy or paranormal. The same drug that gives one person a sense of bliss can put someone else into a psychotic episode. That being said, we can only communicate our own truths based on experience, the rest is pure conjecture. As for being able to see elements in the world that our eyes don't normally see, I suggest visiting the Reuben M. Fleet space museum in San Diego sometime and checking out the cloud chamber where the lighting makes the atoms visible as they pass through your body and the energy from your fingertips and abdomen shooting out like flames. It's a great display of modern day technology. As for people who lived centuries ago being simple minded, I'd put Ben Franklin and Thomas Jefferson's knowledge of science, linguistics and literature against any world leader of the modern era...these guys knew more at 20 years of age than most of us will aquire in a lifetime. My 2 cents

 

[Denny Crane]

What about higher dimensions? Anyone want me to start talking about higher dimensions?

Which one are you in most of the time?

OK, so I bit.

 

[TehChad]

Despite what some people/religions think, nobody knows for sure what comes after death. Just accept the fact that we don't have a damn clue.

That being said though, personally- and this is 100% my opinion- but I feel whatever happens, it's not going to be that bad. When we fear/don't know something, most of us automatically assume the worst, but the worst virtually never ends up actually being the case. I would be absolutely stunned if something like hell, eternal darkness, or some other terrible sounding fate is what ultimately happens. There's a scientific explanation out there somewhere (in my opinion), but we're still probably a very long way from discovering/learning it.

 

[jlprk]

3D objects experience time as the 4th dimension. Multi-D afterlife entities experience their time as their multi-D space passes through their next-higher dimension. Change in the afterlife is very slow, like an iceberg world.

 

[e_blazer]

For what it's worth:

http://www.cnn.com/2013/11/29/us/to-heaven-and-back/index.html?hpt=hp_c4

 

[Fez Hammersticks]

Came across this the other day -- an interesting take from scientist Robert Lanza:

http://www.collective-evolution.com...ics-just-prove-the-existence-of-an-afterlife/

“This means space and time don’t exist in the linear fashion we think it does and he uses the famous double-split experiment to illustrate his point

 

[crowTrobot]

Came across this the other day -- an interesting take from scientist Robert Lanza:

http://www.collective-evolution.com...ics-just-prove-the-existence-of-an-afterlife/

If you think this is interesting I can recommend some books by Deepak Chopra you might enjoy.

 

[TripTango]

If you think this is interesting I can recommend some books by Deepak Chopra you might enjoy.

You mean scientist Deepak Chopra, right?

 

[OneLifeToLive]

When I used to ask this question, I asked it in a way, what do I remember before I was born? Nothing.

But this is all part of the challenge of living as a christian. He's not give it up for you. You are going to have to earn your salvation through 'faith' in him. The mere fact tha I'm here right now. Tells me that yes. I will be around after I'm dead.

 

[MarAzul]

What if you were reincarnated as a L*ker fan?

You went to hell.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

This is the afterlife, this is heaven. Look at how rare and amazing life is, the beauty around us and people think there's something more? or better?

 

[MarAzul]

This is the afterlife, this is heaven. Look at how rare and amazing life is, the beauty around us and people think there's something more? or better?

It's probably a poor plan to be in a rush to next.

 

[barfo]

This is the afterlife, this is heaven. Look at how rare and amazing life is, the beauty around us and people think there's something more? or better?

You must have missed the Orlando game.

barfo

 

[riverman]

If anything, just watching nature repeatedly recycle should give a bit of hint.

In India children have been born in the north and for no logical reason, been able to speak a southern language not spoken in their village as toddlers, etc...the Dalai Lama claims to be a product of reincarnation. History is full of examples. I'm an agnostic by nature but find reincarnation to be more interesting than the alternatives so why not project that possibility in my lifetime? I like the Taoist philosophy most of all. Lao Tsu was a wise man. He didn't subscribe to dogma nor tolerate organized religious practice. The unknown is facinating and sometimes the questions are ultimately more interesting than the "so called" answers. Sometimes it's better or rather freer, not to know. I've been in places for the first time in this lifetime that seemed so familiar and I've learned languages I'd never heard so easily that it made me wonder.

 

[crowTrobot]

In India children have been born in the north and for no logical reason, been able to speak a southern language not spoken in their village as toddlers, etc...the Dalai Lama claims to be a product of reincarnation. History is full of examples.

by "example" you mean anecdotes and hearsay

 

[Cryptkeeper]

After seeing all those ghost tv shows on A&E, I kinda want to stay around and scare the shit out of people for teh lolz.

 

[riverman]

by "example" you mean anecdotes and hearsay

Could very well be true but like all recorded history, you either trust the records or you don't..that's a choice. I think language coming from an unschooled village child and reported in the news is information you can debate or accept as a possibility. Like I said, I don't know the answer to this topic nor do any other humans who've never died and returned with proof via scientific method. Again when folks want to debunk theories or folk tales or myths or even propoganda they are relying on the tools we have to process the information and the unknown factors will always seem to lack credibility in a debate. We can only understand what we can see, hear, touch, smell, etc but we may be severly limited in terms of senses having only 5 on paper and 6 in the paranormal realm

 

[Eastoff]

Could very well be true but like all recorded history, you either trust the records or you don't..that's a choice. I think language coming from an unschooled village child and reported in the news is information you can debate or accept as a possibility. Like I said, I don't know the answer to this topic nor do any other humans who've never died and returned with proof via scientific method. Again when folks want to debunk theories or folk tales or myths or even propoganda they are relying on the tools we have to process the information and the unknown factors will always seem to lack credibility in a debate. We can only understand what we can see, hear, touch, smell, etc but we may be severly limited in terms of senses having only 5 on paper and 6 in the paranormal realm

How is this any different?
[video=youtube;D-Rt56n-vC4]

 

[Fez Hammersticks]

Bump!

I came across this on Reddit:






Listening to interpretations is one thing but to blatantly troll people like this is, well, expected - He sells EVP apps (It sweeps through radio waves at a fraction of a second).