the age of the earth

[MARIS61]

If they weren't forced to learn the evolutionary lie in public schools what do you think that number would be? I think they should present both theories, flaws and all, and let the students decide for themselves what they want to believe, instead of passing off Darwinism as factual truth.

There are many religions in the world, nearly all of them have different silly theories of life's beginnings.

Should we teach them all or just your personal silly religion?

Evolution is not a religion, it's how we got here. It's real, not fiction.

If you want to learn about religion, go to a religious school.

If you want to learn about the real world, go to the library.

 

[MARIS61]

half of christians in the USA believe in evolution.

Not very christian of them to call god a liar and a charlatan.

 

[MadeFromDust]

There are many religions in the world, nearly all of them have different silly theories of life's beginnings.

Should we teach them all or just your personal silly religion?

Evolution is not a religion, it's how we got here. It's real, not fiction.

If you want to learn about religion, go to a religious school.

If you want to learn about the real world, go to the library.

You calling evolution real and how we got here is calling it a religion, since there’s no actual proof or evidence that it’s true or can even happen. It takes more faith to believe in a purely naturalistic worldview than to believe any religion because of how absurdly improbable it is, and common sense says life can’t spontaneously generate from non-life. And that’s just the starting point too, there are so many insane improbabilities and flat-out impossibilities that naturalistic Darwinian evolution would have to account for in order for it to be true. And that’s only a very small part the puzzle, you then have to account for Cosmological and Teleological arguments, as well as Moral Laws among other things. Your belief is based on blind faith, not facts or evidence.

 

[magnifier661]

many scientific organizations ignore evidence and promote false evidence! but there's no conspiracy.

covert atheist comedian.



glad you agree that a few hoaxes perpetrated by a few bad apples don't reflect on the integrity of the scientific community in any way.

What makes it dangerous is that one of the findings was an actual finding for 30 years. You would think that modern science would be able to debunk it quickly.

 

[crowTrobot]

What makes it dangerous is that one of the findings was an actual finding for 30 years. You would think that modern science would be able to debunk it quickly.

if you are referring to piltdown man that was disputed almost immediately. it was never accepted as an "actual finding" within the scientific community.

 

[MARIS61]

You calling evolution real and how we got here is calling it a religion, since there’s no actual proof or evidence that it’s true or can even happen. It takes more faith to believe in a purely naturalistic worldview than to believe any religion because of how absurdly improbable it is, and common sense says life can’t spontaneously generate from non-life. And that’s just the starting point too, there are so many insane improbabilities and flat-out impossibilities that naturalistic Darwinian evolution would have to account for in order for it to be true. And that’s only a very small part the puzzle, you then have to account for Cosmological and Teleological arguments, as well as Moral Laws among other things. Your belief is based on blind faith, not facts or evidence.

The evidence is overwhelming and thoroughly conclusive.

You being ignorant of the evidence or denying it exists simply to protect your fragile belief in magic god(s) doesn't help your arguement, such as it is.

 

[TripTango]

The evidence is overwhelming and thoroughly conclusive.

You being ignorant of the evidence or denying it exists simply to protect your fragile belief in magic god(s) doesn't help your arguement, such as it is.

Don't you see? The evidence is all part of an elaborate test by God to filter the sheep from the goats. If He made it TOO obvious that the earth is 6,000 years old, EVERYONE would be believers, and property taxes in heaven would skyrocket.

 

[Pokemanzdood]

I'm still reviewing your studies; but I have some conflicting issues here. I do understand the common mutations; but wouldn't that be a "micro-evolution" finding? Because again; there are the same characteristics and genetic mutations; but these "mutations" are possible without symbiotic transformations.

What I mean is the eye would require thousands of mutations having to happen in genetic sequence; for let's say "A lizard" to transform into an "Eagle Eye". I think those are the records I'm really searching for. Things that must require the other in sequence; and mutating simultaneously.

But there is still a lot of reading, and some incredibly hard "scientific vocabulary" I have to sift through to get any conclusion.

Not so sure what you're asking, nothing has to happen in sequence or simultaneously, if you acquire a bad mutation you're often less genetically fit and therefor get weeded out. And everything happens in "micro-evolution" there's no one big game changing mutation that suddenly changes your species. speciation is a process that takes thousands of years. Also an eagle eye is very similar to that of a lizard, they're much different than mammal eyes that use a whole different mechanism to focus. Birds and lizard have bones in their eyes to change the shape of the lens, which is pretty neat.

 

[MadeFromDust]

The evidence is overwhelming and thoroughly conclusive.

You being ignorant of the evidence or denying it exists simply to protect your fragile belief in magic god(s) doesn't help your arguement, such as it is.

Wrong. Just because you want it badly to be true, doesn't make it so. There is no evidence for abiogenesis and any attempt to explain it or reproduce it has failed miserably. A single celled organism is more complex than anything human beings have ever created, and there is no reason to believe it can arise from random chemicals. There's no evidence that one kind of animal can "evolve" into another kind. Virtually all the links on the evolutionary tree are missing, and the ones that have been found were either frauds or proven mistaken. Darwinists presuppose their naturalistic worldview in their biased scientific studies and pile on more unprovable theories on top of their already wild assumptions to give them the illusion plausibility so people like you will think they have a clue what they are talking about, when really they don't.

 

[magnifier661]

Not so sure what you're asking, nothing has to happen in sequence or simultaneously, if you acquire a bad mutation you're often less genetically fit and therefor get weeded out. And everything happens in "micro-evolution" there's no one big game changing mutation that suddenly changes your species. speciation is a process that takes thousands of years. Also an eagle eye is very similar to that of a lizard, they're much different than mammal eyes that use a whole different mechanism to focus. Birds and lizard have bones in their eyes to change the shape of the lens, which is pretty neat.

Yeah I understand that but there is only a few examples of changes. You could have hundred of samples, that are put together like a cartoon to show the transformation.

 

[VanillaGorilla]

If you get so depressed by thinking about life ending... at the end of your life.. then I pity you. You must not enjoy life as much as you should if you're main driving force is some fairy tale with no evidence. You're all naive little children believing what the masses around you told you to believe. When you die, you're brain dies, so YOU die. Everyone you've known that has died is most likely not chillin with God. They are dead, gone, and in the ground. Man the fuck up, accept realty, accept life, and fucking enjoy it for what it is. I feel so sad for all of you deluding yourselves all your life. But, it's just random chance of your physiology and environment growing up that you believe something so obviously ridiculous.

"We are afraid of the known and afraid of the unknown. That is our daily life and in that there is no hope, and therefore every form of philosophy, every form of theological concept, is merely an escape from the actual reality of what is. All outward forms of change brought about by wars, revolutions, reformations, laws and ideologies have failed completely to change the basic nature of man and therefore of society." - Thomas Jefferson

 

[VanillaGorilla]

 

[MARIS61]

http://www.evolutionfaq.com/articles/five-proofs-evolution

Five Proofs of Evolution

In this article, we look at five simple examples which support the Theory of Evolution.

by Richard Peacock

1. The universal genetic code. All cells on Earth, from our white blood cells, to simple bacteria, to cells in the leaves of trees, are capable of reading any piece of DNA from any life form on Earth. This is very strong evidence for a common ancestor from which all life descended.

2. The fossil record. The fossil record shows that the simplest fossils will be found in the oldest rocks, and it can also show a smooth and gradual transition from one form of life to another.

Please watch this video for an excellent demonstration of fossils transitioning from simple life to complex vertebrates. [video]http://www.evolutionfaq.com/videos/transitional-fossils[/video]

3. Genetic commonalities. Human beings have approximately 96% of genes in common with chimpanzees, about 90% of genes in common with cats (source), 80% with cows (source), 75% with mice (source), and so on. This does not prove that we evolved from chimpanzees or cats, though, only that we shared a common ancestor in the past. And the amount of difference between our genomes corresponds to how long ago our genetic lines diverged.

4. Common traits in embryos. Humans, dogs, snakes, fish, monkeys, eels (and many more life forms) are all considered "chordates" because we belong to the phylum Chordata. One of the features of this phylum is that, as embryos, all these life forms have gill slits, tails, and specific anatomical structures involving the spine. For humans (and other non-fish) the gill slits reform into the bones of the ear and jaw at a later stage in development. But, initially, all chordate embryos strongly resemble each other.

In fact, pig embryos are often dissected in biology classes because of how similar they look to human embryos. These common characteristics could only be possible if all members of the phylum Chordata descended from a common ancestor.

5. Bacterial resistance to antibiotics. Bacteria colonies can only build up a resistance to antibiotics through evolution. It is important to note that in every colony of bacteria, there are a tiny few individuals which are naturally resistant to certain antibiotics. This is because of the random nature of mutations.

When an antibiotic is applied, the initial innoculation will kill most bacteria, leaving behind only those few cells which happen to have the mutations necessary to resist the antibiotics. In subsequent generations, the resistant bacteria reproduce, forming a new colony where every member is resistant to the antibiotic. This is natural selection in action. The antibiotic is "selecting" for organisms which are resistant, and killing any that are not.

 

[magnifier661]

If you get so depressed by thinking about life ending... at the end of your life.. then I pity you. You must not enjoy life as much as you should if you're main driving force is some fairy tale with no evidence. You're all naive little children believing what the masses around you told you to believe. When you die, you're brain dies, so YOU die. Everyone you've known that has died is most likely not chillin with God. They are dead, gone, and in the ground. Man the fuck up, accept realty, accept life, and fucking enjoy it for what it is. I feel so sad for all of you deluding yourselves all your life. But, it's just random chance of your physiology and environment growing up that you believe something so obviously ridiculous.

"We are afraid of the known and afraid of the unknown. That is our daily life and in that there is no hope, and therefore every form of philosophy, every form of theological concept, is merely an escape from the actual reality of what is. All outward forms of change brought about by wars, revolutions, reformations, laws and ideologies have failed completely to change the basic nature of man and therefore of society." - Thomas Jefferson

That's a neat story! Yeah it's pretty fucked up for those worried about dying. Thank God we have God!

 

[magnifier661]

http://www.evolutionfaq.com/articles/five-proofs-evolution

Five Proofs of Evolution

In this article, we look at five simple examples which support the Theory of Evolution.

by Richard Peacock

1. The universal genetic code. All cells on Earth, from our white blood cells, to simple bacteria, to cells in the leaves of trees, are capable of reading any piece of DNA from any life form on Earth. This is very strong evidence for a common ancestor from which all life descended.

2. The fossil record. The fossil record shows that the simplest fossils will be found in the oldest rocks, and it can also show a smooth and gradual transition from one form of life to another.

Please watch this video for an excellent demonstration of fossils transitioning from simple life to complex vertebrates. [video]http://www.evolutionfaq.com/videos/transitional-fossils[/video]

3. Genetic commonalities. Human beings have approximately 96% of genes in common with chimpanzees, about 90% of genes in common with cats (source), 80% with cows (source), 75% with mice (source), and so on. This does not prove that we evolved from chimpanzees or cats, though, only that we shared a common ancestor in the past. And the amount of difference between our genomes corresponds to how long ago our genetic lines diverged.

4. Common traits in embryos. Humans, dogs, snakes, fish, monkeys, eels (and many more life forms) are all considered "chordates" because we belong to the phylum Chordata. One of the features of this phylum is that, as embryos, all these life forms have gill slits, tails, and specific anatomical structures involving the spine. For humans (and other non-fish) the gill slits reform into the bones of the ear and jaw at a later stage in development. But, initially, all chordate embryos strongly resemble each other.

In fact, pig embryos are often dissected in biology classes because of how similar they look to human embryos. These common characteristics could only be possible if all members of the phylum Chordata descended from a common ancestor.

5. Bacterial resistance to antibiotics. Bacteria colonies can only build up a resistance to antibiotics through evolution. It is important to note that in every colony of bacteria, there are a tiny few individuals which are naturally resistant to certain antibiotics. This is because of the random nature of mutations.

When an antibiotic is applied, the initial innoculation will kill most bacteria, leaving behind only those few cells which happen to have the mutations necessary to resist the antibiotics. In subsequent generations, the resistant bacteria reproduce, forming a new colony where every member is resistant to the antibiotic. This is natural selection in action. The antibiotic is "selecting" for organisms which are resistant, and killing any that are not.

Yep it does prove we have a common ancestor. Awesome huh? We all came from the same creator! Thanks for sharing this wonderful evidence!

 

[MadeFromDust]

If you get so depressed by thinking about life ending... at the end of your life.. then I pity you. You must not enjoy life as much as you should if you're main driving force is some fairy tale with no evidence. You're all naive little children believing what the masses around you told you to believe. When you die, you're brain dies, so YOU die. Everyone you've known that has died is most likely not chillin with God. They are dead, gone, and in the ground. Man the fuck up, accept realty, accept life, and fucking enjoy it for what it is. I feel so sad for all of you deluding yourselves all your life. But, it's just random chance of your physiology and environment growing up that you believe something so obviously ridiculous.

"We are afraid of the known and afraid of the unknown. That is our daily life and in that there is no hope, and therefore every form of philosophy, every form of theological concept, is merely an escape from the actual reality of what is. All outward forms of change brought about by wars, revolutions, reformations, laws and ideologies have failed completely to change the basic nature of man and therefore of society." - Thomas Jefferson

Your emotional response is littered with assumptions and presuppositions that have nothing to do with anything we’ve been debating here. Are you going to give your arguments as to why atheism makes more logical sense than theism?

 

[magnifier661]

So we are 60% a bannana? So we are more banana than many monkeys? Interesting!!! I think I found the true missing link guys!

http://www.makingthemodernworld.org.uk/stories/defiant_modernism/01.ST.02/?scene=6&tv=true

 

[3RA1N1AC]

So we are 60% a bannana? So we are more banana than many monkeys? Interesting!!! I think I found the true missing link guys!

http://www.makingthemodernworld.org.uk/stories/defiant_modernism/01.ST.02/?scene=6&tv=true

kirk cameron is all about gods perfect fruit

[video=youtube;Y4yBvvGi_2A]

although, black bananas are still good to eat, so im not sure where he is going with that one

 

[SlyPokerDog]

So we are 60% a bannana? So we are more banana than many monkeys? Interesting!!! I think I found the true missing link guys!

http://www.makingthemodernworld.org.uk/stories/defiant_modernism/01.ST.02/?scene=6&tv=true

If what you're saying is true wouldn't this be the true missing link?

[video=youtube;Z3ZAGBL6UBA]

 

[Eastoff]

If what you're saying is true wouldn't this be the true missing link?

[video=youtube;Z3ZAGBL6UBA]

you do know what that song is about right?

 

[Eastoff]

So we are 60% a bannana? So we are more banana than many monkeys? Interesting!!! I think I found the true missing link guys!

http://www.makingthemodernworld.org.uk/stories/defiant_modernism/01.ST.02/?scene=6&tv=true

Where did you get that it's more than monkeys? We share close to 98% of our dna with some primates.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

We share close to 98% of our dna with some primates.

I shared a hell of a lot more than that one night when I was drunk at college.

 

[magnifier661]

Where did you get that it's more than monkeys? We share close to 98% of our dna with some primates.

Remember the monkeys aren't our brothers they are our distant cousins.

 

[Eastoff]

Remember the monkeys aren't our brothers they are our distant cousins.

So... you prefer jokes rather than data?

 

[SlyPokerDog]

you do know what that song is about right?

A car.

 

[3RA1N1AC]

i thought i was a monkeys uncle

 

[magnifier661]

So... you prefer jokes rather than data?

Why you think it's a joke? I mean how could it not be possible for the banana tree to grow our missing link? We are talking about trees that can live hundreds of years. Ample time to genetically mutate a missing link!

 

[magnifier661]

i thought i was a monkeys uncle

And no wonder monkeys love bananas!

 

[SlyPokerDog]

And no wonder monkeys love bananas!

Leave my uncle's banana out of this.

 

[magnifier661]

if you are referring to piltdown man that was disputed almost immediately. it was never accepted as an "actual finding" within the scientific community.

LOL really?!?!?!

The Piltdown Man was a hoax in which bone fragments were presented as the fossilised remains of a previously unknown early human. These fragments consisted of parts of a skull and jawbone, said to have been collected in 1912 from a gravel pit at Piltdown, East Sussex, England. The Latin name Eoanthropus dawsoni ("Dawson's dawn-man", after the collector Charles Dawson) was given to the specimen. The significance of the specimen remained the subject of controversy until it was exposed in 1953 as a forgery, consisting of the lower jawbone of an orangutan that had been deliberately combined with the skull of a fully developed modern human.
The Piltdown hoax is perhaps the most famous paleontological hoax ever. It has been prominent for two reasons: the attention paid to the issue of human evolution, and the length of time (more than 40 years) that elapsed from its discovery to its full exposure as a forgery.

If you mean immediately as in 41 years, then yeah I guess it was. But then again, 41 years and Darwin's 153 years of history; it's not very quick is it?