the age of the earth

[MadeFromDust]

A woman appearing from the rib of a man has never been observed or verified in any way either, but apparently only one of these is acceptable to believe without any observation or verification. Even though nothing similar happens like that elsewhere, whereas you believe in micro evolution, so macro doesn't seem like it'd take that much of a leap of faith to also believe.

Whatever you choose to put your faith in I guess.

 

[MadeFromDust]

right...except all breed of dog fall under one species. and the reason there are different breeds is HUMAN BREEDING METHODS, if they all just banged whomever they would all be mutts...right?

oh and i was talking about ALL species, not just animal, my bad, so that narrows it down to about 1.25 million. different. animal. species.

There are more examples of just dogs. I think it's fair to say that animals can adapt to their environments, and for all we know it could be God who's behind this. He's very present in the world and there is nothing apart from His Spirit. However there is nothing that indicates that an animal can evolve into an entirely new and different kind.

 

[tlongII]

Possibly, but there's no way to know for sure. There is no evidence that we "evolved" from an ape-like creature though. I'll ask God when I get to heaven.

There is a tremendous amount of evidence that we evolved from an ape-like creature. The fossil record shows many different examples of how humans have evolved over time. Read this. You might learn something.

 

[crowTrobot]

There are more examples of just dogs. I think it's fair to say that animals can adapt to their environments, and for all we know it could be God who's behind this. He's very present in the world and there is nothing apart from His Spirit. However there is nothing that indicates that an animal can evolve into an entirely new and different kind.

if you accept that a species can change in small ways to adapt to it's environment, and two populations of an existing species are at some point split into radically different evironments (by ice age glaciers or rising ocean waters or whatever), what's to keep the many small adaptive changes one (or both) would have to make from adding up, and the populations from diverging into different species if given enough time? just as a hypothetical thought experiement assuming the earth is at least millions of years old, what would be the actual barrior to that happening?

 

[3RA1N1AC]

if evolution was 10000% undisputed proven fact, religious peeps would just claim "god evolved them, he had a plan to make apes into humans, then gave them a soul, yadda yadda"

i mean really, the discussion is fun and semi enlightening, but i hope nobody is trying to change anyones mind here

 

[crowTrobot]

if evolution was 10000% undisputed proven fact, religious peeps would just claim "god evolved them, he had a plan to make apes into humans, then gave them a soul, yadda yadda"

there may be disagreement over the details, but common descent is undisputed consensus within the scientific community - as much a scientific fact as that the earth revolves around the sun. and pushing 1/2 of all christians in the USA have already been compelled to take exactly the position you describe because anyone who is aware of the actual facts and scope of the evidence has no choice intellectually.

i mean really, the discussion is fun and semi enlightening, but i hope nobody is trying to change anyones mind here

why?

 

[SlyPokerDog]

Hello new to site

Some Bible verses on Dinosaurs on those interested, Please remember Dinosaur was not a word until bout 1841 AD:

-Behemoth has the following attributes according to Job 40:15-24

It “eats grass like an ox.”
It “moves his tail like a cedar.” (In Hebrew, this literally reads, “he lets hang his tail like a cedar.”)
Its “bones are like beams of bronze,
His ribs like bars of iron.”
“He is the first of the ways of God.” -(This phrase in the original Hebrew implied that behemoth was the biggest animal created)
“He lies under the lotus trees.

-Leviathan has the following attributes according to Job chapter 41, Psalm 104:25,26 and Isaiah 27:1. This is only a partial listing..

“No one is so fierce that he would dare stir him up.”
“Who can open the doors of his face, with his terrible teeth all around?”
“His rows of scales are his pride, shut up tightly as with a seal; one is so near another that no air can come between them; they are joined one to another, they stick together and cannot be parted.”
“His sneezings flash forth light, and his eyes are like the eyelids of the morning. Out of his mouth go burning lights; sparks of fire shoot out. Smoke goes out of his nostrils, as from a boiling pot and burning rushes. His breath kindles coals, and a flame goes out of his mouth.”
“Though the sword reaches him, it cannot avail; nor does spear, dart, or javelin. He regards iron as straw, and bronze as rotten wood. The arrow cannot make him flee; slingstones become like stubble to him. Darts are regarded as straw; he laughs at the threat of javelins.”
“On earth there is nothing like him, which is made without fear.”
Leviathan “played” in the “great and wide sea” (a paraphrase of Psalm 104 verses 25 and 26—get the exact sense by reading them yourself).
Leviathan is a “reptile [a] that is in the sea.” (Isaiah 27:1)

[a] Note: The word translated “reptile” here is the Hebrew word tanniyn. This shows that “Leviathan” was also a “tanniyn” (dragon).
In a covert of reeds and marsh.”

Hey BlazersFanatic, welcome to S2!

 

[magnifier661]

What microevolution do you believe has occurred in the human race? Different races? Different sexual orientation?

Okay, well the difference between an Asian, African, Hispanic and Anglo Saxon. Is this a trick question?

 

[tlongII]

Yes, welcome to the site BlazersFanatic!

 

[Sedatedfork]

Okay, well the difference between an Asian, African, Hispanic and Anglo Saxon. Is this a trick question?

No, it wasn't intended to be a trick question. I am just pointing out that if you believe in microevolution, then you still would have to apply it to people. While there are certainly different races of people which I suppose is an obvious concept for microevolution, I was curious if there were other traits with microevolution that ORL2 accepted.

And where the hell did Gingers come from?!?!

 

[MadeFromDust]

There is a tremendous amount of evidence that we evolved from an ape-like creature. The fossil record shows many different examples of how humans have evolved over time. Read this. You might learn something.

Evidence that’s backed by theories and assumptions, not based on actual evidence. There is no fossil records of ape turning into man, and the ones that we have “found” have been proven fraudulent or were misinterpreted from the beginning.

 

[MadeFromDust]

if you accept that a species can change in small ways to adapt to it's environment, and two populations of an existing species are at some point split into radically different evironments (by ice age glaciers or rising ocean waters or whatever), what's to keep the many small adaptive changes one (or both) would have to make from adding up, and the populations from diverging into different species if given enough time? just as a hypothetical thought experiement assuming the earth is at least millions of years old, what would be the actual barrior to that happening?

Because I see no reason animals and plants would need to "evolve" to become so complex and diverse that some become endangered or extinct. I really can't see why they didn't just all stay in the ocean. God's creation is glorious to me.

 

[magnifier661]

No, it wasn't intended to be a trick question. I am just pointing out that if you believe in microevolution, then you still would have to apply it to people. While there are certainly different races of people which I suppose is an obvious concept for microevolution, I was curious if there were other traits with microevolution that ORL2 accepted.

And where the hell did Gingers come from?!?!

GOD!

 

[magnifier661]

Hello new to site

Some Bible verses on Dinosaurs on those interested, Please remember Dinosaur was not a word until bout 1841 AD:

-Behemoth has the following attributes according to Job 40:15-24

It “eats grass like an ox.”
It “moves his tail like a cedar.” (In Hebrew, this literally reads, “he lets hang his tail like a cedar.”)
Its “bones are like beams of bronze,
His ribs like bars of iron.”
“He is the first of the ways of God.” -(This phrase in the original Hebrew implied that behemoth was the biggest animal created)
“He lies under the lotus trees.

-Leviathan has the following attributes according to Job chapter 41, Psalm 104:25,26 and Isaiah 27:1. This is only a partial listing..

“No one is so fierce that he would dare stir him up.”
“Who can open the doors of his face, with his terrible teeth all around?”
“His rows of scales are his pride, shut up tightly as with a seal; one is so near another that no air can come between them; they are joined one to another, they stick together and cannot be parted.”
“His sneezings flash forth light, and his eyes are like the eyelids of the morning. Out of his mouth go burning lights; sparks of fire shoot out. Smoke goes out of his nostrils, as from a boiling pot and burning rushes. His breath kindles coals, and a flame goes out of his mouth.”
“Though the sword reaches him, it cannot avail; nor does spear, dart, or javelin. He regards iron as straw, and bronze as rotten wood. The arrow cannot make him flee; slingstones become like stubble to him. Darts are regarded as straw; he laughs at the threat of javelins.”
“On earth there is nothing like him, which is made without fear.”
Leviathan “played” in the “great and wide sea” (a paraphrase of Psalm 104 verses 25 and 26—get the exact sense by reading them yourself).
Leviathan is a “reptile [a] that is in the sea.” (Isaiah 27:1)

[a] Note: The word translated “reptile” here is the Hebrew word tanniyn. This shows that “Leviathan” was also a “tanniyn” (dragon).
In a covert of reeds and marsh.”

WELCOME TO THE FORUM!!!! WE welcome you with open arms! God bless you.

 

[magnifier661]

There is a tremendous amount of evidence that we evolved from an ape-like creature. The fossil record shows many different examples of how humans have evolved over time. Read this. You might learn something.

No there isn't. Stop using DOGMA in this thread. Show me a FishaDino fossil. How about a DinoRat? What about a ReptiPrimate? Then show me multiple samples. There are millions of fossil records and not a single shred of proof of mid evolution of species.

 

[magnifier661]

if evolution was 10000% undisputed proven fact, religious peeps would just claim "god evolved them, he had a plan to make apes into humans, then gave them a soul, yadda yadda"

i mean really, the discussion is fun and semi enlightening, but i hope nobody is trying to change anyones mind here

Exactly!

 

[3RA1N1AC]

why?

soldier on godless warrior, be my guest

 

[3RA1N1AC]

-Leviathan has the following attributes according to Job chapter 41, Psalm 104:25,26 and Isaiah 27:1. This is only a partial listing..

“No one is so fierce that he would dare stir him up.”
“Who can open the doors of his face, with his terrible teeth all around?”
“His rows of scales are his pride, shut up tightly as with a seal; one is so near another that no air can come between them; they are joined one to another, they stick together and cannot be parted.”
“His sneezings flash forth light, and his eyes are like the eyelids of the morning. Out of his mouth go burning lights; sparks of fire shoot out. Smoke goes out of his nostrils, as from a boiling pot and burning rushes. His breath kindles coals, and a flame goes out of his mouth.”
“Though the sword reaches him, it cannot avail; nor does spear, dart, or javelin. He regards iron as straw, and bronze as rotten wood. The arrow cannot make him flee; slingstones become like stubble to him. Darts are regarded as straw; he laughs at the threat of javelins.”
“On earth there is nothing like him, which is made without fear.”
Leviathan “played” in the “great and wide sea” (a paraphrase of Psalm 104 verses 25 and 26—get the exact sense by reading them yourself).
Leviathan is a “reptile [a] that is in the sea.” (Isaiah 27:1)

[a] Note: The word translated “reptile” here is the Hebrew word tanniyn. This shows that “Leviathan” was also a “tanniyn” (dragon).
In a covert of reeds and marsh.”

release the kraken!!

and welcome

 

[Eastoff]

Just to be clear, religious people believe in fire breathing dragons. hehehe

 

[crowTrobot]

Because I see no reason animals and plants would need to "evolve" to become so complex and diverse that some become endangered or extinct.

doesn't answer the question. and why would god bother creating species just so they would go extinct?

I really can't see why they didn't just all stay in the ocean.

because life tends to exploit every available niche.

 

[magnifier661]

Just to be clear, religious people believe in fire breathing dragons. hehehe

And Atheists prove their arrogance to completely ignore the scientific testing to prove there is a God.

 

[MadeFromDust]

doesn't answer the question. and why would god bother creating species just so they would go extinct?

God didn't make them extinct, we did mostly. I still don't see why animals would need to evolve to become so complex and diverse.

because life tends to exploit every available niche.

There is no reason animals needed to come on dry land, and there is no actual evidence that this can happen.

 

[3RA1N1AC]

Just to be clear, religious people believe in fire breathing dragons. hehehe

until jesus came and killed them all

heres a little timeline

dragons-----jesus----no dragons

any questions?

 

[3RA1N1AC]

There is no reason animals needed to come on dry land, and there is no actual evidence that this can happen.

they came onto land to escape predators, i mean this is grade school stuff here

 

[Sedatedfork]

until jesus came and killed them all

heres a little timeline

dragons-----jesus----no dragons

any questions?

I almost had finished reading Book #5 of the Game of Thrones series. Thanks for ruining it for me. Why don't you try putting a spoiler alert on that timeline of yours.

 

[MadeFromDust]

they came onto land to escape predators, i mean this is grade school stuff here

So did the blind matter make a conscious decision to start growing legs?

 

[3RA1N1AC]

heres a gross fish with human teeth

 

[magnifier661]

Okay since it was only directed to tlong and seems to be ignored by the others; I don't know why. Here is is:

long said there is piles and piles of evidence to support evolution.

No there isn't. Stop using DOGMA in this thread. Show me a FishaDino fossil. How about a DinoRat? What about a ReptiPrimate? Then show me multiple samples. There are millions of fossil records and not a single shred of proof of mid evolution of species.

And let me add; science doesn't need one instance. It needs hundreds if not thousands out of the millions of fossils to prove to be irrefutable.

 

[magnifier661]

heres a gross fish with human teeth

LOL!

 

[RR7]

And Atheists prove their arrogance to completely ignore the scientific testing to prove there is a God.

Where is all of the scientific proof the creationist scientists, of which there are many as you mentioned yesterday, have provided on the existence of god?