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OneLifeToLive said:
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I am too. Jabari Parker made an interesting point. How will Damian respond to all that's happened to him in the last 6 months. Will he let it all go to his head etc? Well, we are three games with him struggling.
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I don't see that as getting to his head, in terms of what Jabari was talking about. I believe that Jabari was referring to feeling entitled and being lackluster because of it. I have no doubt Lillard is trying to play. Something is up with his head. He's not as confident as he was the last 2 seasons so far.
 
Have you guys not noticed lillard being doubled for large portions of the game? Teams are clearly attacking him. It looks as of they decided to let Aldridge get more looks and try to take away dame
 
JFizzleRaider said:
Have you guys not noticed lillard being doubled for large portions of the game? Teams are clearly attacking him. It looks as of they decided to let Aldridge get more looks and try to take away dame
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Ball movement solves the problem but Lillard is not a stellar passer. His assist numbers are terrible for a point guard who wants to be elite. When he drives the lane he's getting blocked instead of dishing out to the open shooter.
 
I see where you both are going but what good is that talent and potential if he decides not to tap into it?

Yes, give me Wes for god sakes.
 
JFizzleRaider said:
Have you guys not noticed lillard being doubled for large portions of the game? Teams are clearly attacking him. It looks as of they decided to let Aldridge get more looks and try to take away dame
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That's always been the most effective defensive strategy against us. Everyone knows that Dame is the motor that makes this team work. However, when doubled outside of the 3-point arc he isn't capable of making a quick, crisp pass to LMA because the guy who is doubling off LMA knows where he is popping to and can stay in the passing lane while doubling Lillard. So Lillard either has to rainbow a pass over to LMA, which takes time to reach him and results in a low-percentage shot, or Batum has to come up from the baseline to try to create a passing lane for Lillard. But this passing lane doesn't create a scoring opportunity - it's just a bail out for the effective double-team. Doubling Lillard on the pick/pop will bring the offense to (a) a standstill, or (b) a low-percentage jumper.

If we were to run a secondary play in parallel to the pick/pop it might result in someone creating a passing lane for Lillard. For example (maybe not a good one, but it should hopefully illustrate the point), if we were to have Nic on the left wing, Wes in the left corner, and Rolo on the right block, then send Nic baseline with Rolo setting a pick AS LMA is setting the pick for Lillard, then Nic would end up open on the right wing as Lillard is getting doubled. Now we'd have LMA open at the top of the key, Nic open on the right wing, and two defenders on Lillard well away from the hoop. Pass to Nic for an open shot, or he can quickly dive to the hoop and either dish to Rolo for the flush or LMA for the jumper.

OR, if LMA wasn't so one-dimensional he could pop to different locations or even try ROLLING to the hoop so that the guy doubling off of him can't play the passing lane so damn easily.
 
blue9 said:
That's always been the most effective defensive strategy against us. Everyone knows that Dame is the motor that makes this team work. However, when doubled outside of the 3-point arc he isn't capable of making a quick, crisp pass to LMA because the guy who is doubling off LMA knows where he is popping to and can stay in the passing lane while doubling Lillard. So Lillard either has to rainbow a pass over to LMA, which takes time to reach him and results in a low-percentage shot, or Batum has to come up from the baseline to try to create a passing lane for Lillard. But this passing lane doesn't create a scoring opportunity - it's just a bail out for the effective double-team. Doubling Lillard on the pick/pop will bring the offense to (a) a standstill, or (b) a low-percentage jumper.

If we were to run a secondary play in parallel to the pick/pop it might result in someone creating a passing lane for Lillard. For example (maybe not a good one, but it should hopefully illustrate the point), if we were to have Nic on the left wing, Wes in the left corner, and Rolo on the right block, then send Nic baseline with Rolo setting a pick AS LMA is setting the pick for Lillard, then Nic would end up open on the right wing as Lillard is getting doubled. Now we'd have LMA open at the top of the key, Nic open on the right wing, and two defenders on Lillard well away from the hoop. Pass to Nic for an open shot, or he can quickly dive to the hoop and either dish to Rolo for the flush or LMA for the jumper.

OR, if LMA wasn't so one-dimensional he could pop to different locations or even try ROLLING to the hoop so that the guy doubling off of him can't play the passing lane so damn easily.
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This is exactly where Batum comes in. He has to make himself available for the pass and when he gets it he has got to make the shot. Either that or make the extra pass and go to Wes or Rolo which is what he has been doing for the most part.
 
kjironman1 said:
This is exactly where Batum comes in. He has to make himself available for the pass and when he gets it he has got to make the shot. Either that or make the extra pass and go to Wes or Rolo which is what he has been doing for the most part.
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But it starts with coaching. The play isn't run with that secondary hypothetical play I outlined - it's just a pick/pop with everyone else stationary in their set positions. Nic is set-up on the right wing and Wes on the left, so there's no chance to get side-to-side player motion that'll loosen up the defense. To run a secondary play it needs to be timed perfectly, which again comes back to coaching and practice.
 
Sinobas said:
I'm sick of Batum and he's ridiculous passes. He plays like he's just messing around rather than trying to win an NBA game. And he's slated to get 12 million next year.
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I don't know why that comes to any surprise he's always played like this. I know I have said this before but Batum is a very cocky player but very skilled at the same time.
 
blue9 said:
That's always been the most effective defensive strategy against us. Everyone knows that Dame is the motor that makes this team work. However, when doubled outside of the 3-point arc he isn't capable of making a quick, crisp pass to LMA because the guy who is doubling off LMA knows where he is popping to and can stay in the passing lane while doubling Lillard. So Lillard either has to rainbow a pass over to LMA, which takes time to reach him and results in a low-percentage shot, or Batum has to come up from the baseline to try to create a passing lane for Lillard. But this passing lane doesn't create a scoring opportunity - it's just a bail out for the effective double-team. Doubling Lillard on the pick/pop will bring the offense to (a) a standstill, or (b) a low-percentage jumper.

If we were to run a secondary play in parallel to the pick/pop it might result in someone creating a passing lane for Lillard. For example (maybe not a good one, but it should hopefully illustrate the point), if we were to have Nic on the left wing, Wes in the left corner, and Rolo on the right block, then send Nic baseline with Rolo setting a pick AS LMA is setting the pick for Lillard, then Nic would end up open on the right wing as Lillard is getting doubled. Now we'd have LMA open at the top of the key, Nic open on the right wing, and two defenders on Lillard well away from the hoop. Pass to Nic for an open shot, or he can quickly dive to the hoop and either dish to Rolo for the flush or LMA for the jumper.

OR, if LMA wasn't so one-dimensional he could pop to different locations or even try ROLLING to the hoop so that the guy doubling off of him can't play the passing lane so damn easily.
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That sounds like a wonderful play. It would be nice to have plan "B" options
 
KevinCSN said:
Do you think he's worth that contract he got? If not Batum, who would be a good fit at the 3 for Portland that would be a realistic option. Surely Will Barton or Wright are not starters in this league.
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Jimmy Butler.

Looking at the market there aren't a lot options. You have to either swing on a Jimmy Butler or stick with the underperforming Batum.
 
RoyToy said:
Maybe if Batum wasn't a career 15 PER player....

I just don't get the people that think he's a special/unique player. He's really not.

Decent little role player that's better than that when his shot is actually falling, but after that, just too damn passive, soft and inconsistent.
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He's one of 11 or 12 people in NBA history to get a 5X5. He is special.
 
How many other players his size can guard PGs like cp3 and Westbrook, but also guard lebron and Kd?
 
Yeah the 1 in like 7 games he actually decides to play defense

How many points did Rudy Gay score again?
 
Stotts is a player's coach and sometimes I wish he wasn't as mellow as he seems. I try to imagine what Pop's would say to him if he played on the Spurs
 
riverman said:
Stotts is a player's coach and sometimes I wish he wasn't as mellow as he seems. I try to imagine what Pop's would say to him if he played on the Spurs
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Probably more important is what he wouldn't say. Pop gives one of the meanest evil eyes looks you have ever seen. He also flat out gives his players the complete silence treatment when they get pulled for doing stupid shit.
 
9 PPG
7 RPG
5 APG
40 FG%
35 3PT%
13.8 PER (second worst of his career)​

He's pretty much on track to duplicate his numbers since he signed his contract - solid but still has never taken his game to the next level.

Parsons set the bar - Nic will get a max offer.

If you're Neil, do you still consider Nic untouchable?
 
Not if it is Max. Bye, bye. Anything less than max then he is back imo.
 
One thing to think about is Nic is signed after everyone else so even if you let him walk you don't have Cap space to sign a replacement. You would have to sign and trade him.
 
He's getting the max.

Combine that with the new TV deal, his next contract is going to be absurd.

Remember how it was working with his agent a few summers ago?

I'd avoid that any way possible. Offer Nic/RoLo for M. Gasol.
 
Uncle Ty said:
I'd sig bet you but I don't post enough. He's not getting the max though. At this point, teams know what kind of a player he is already. They aren't paying the max to a very good role player.
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Parsons pretty much got a max and Nico is better then Parsons. With all the cap space teams are going to have because of the new TV Deal teams will spend like there is no tomorrow because owners never learn and Batum is the type of player every coach is going to want and a bidding war is very possible.
 
Rhal said:
Parsons pretty much got a max and Nico is better then Parsons. With all the cap space teams are going to have because of the new TV Deal teams will spend like there is no tomorrow because owners never learn and Batum is the type of player every coach is going to want and a bidding war is very possible.
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Batum is better at assists and rebounding, but certainly isn't better at scoring than Parsons. I think the market for him won't be huge, since he's a glue-guy for a team that's already contender.
 
craigehlo said:
Batum is better at assists and rebounding, but certainly isn't better at scoring than Parsons. I think the market for him won't be huge, since he's a glue-guy for a team that's already contender.
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If you toss out Parsons first year and take Batum since stots has first came to portland, which everyone can agree that Batum is a very different player then the sit in the corner and shoot threes that he was under McMillian, then compare them Batum shoots a better % on everything and only scores less then 2 points a game while taking two less shots a game.
Ill post the basketball references when i get home cant really do the comparing from basketball reference on my phone.
 
I'm starting to think the thread title should be changed to "Batum Cracker Thread" because people are claiming he's playing like a club-footed white guy...
 
Batum is definitely not worth the MAX

He's hardly even worth what he's being paid now

I forget he's playing at times as he just doesn't make a big impact on most of the games.

He's also shooting a sweet 32% from 3
 
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