The Bombings in Israel...

[deception]

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting TheBlackMamba:</div><div class="quote_post">


Far more damage? Maybe over a period of time. These "dudes" in caves killed approximately 3,000 innocent people in one attack. These "dudes" are very dangerous. They don't strike big like that often, but when they do, it's devestating.


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think of the 3000 as an tragic premium for controlling the worlds energy suppy. and as charles barkley likes to say "even a broken clock is right twice a day".

the last significant stride your government made on the war on terror was arresting some haitian illegals. bravo FBI!!! americans will forever be indebted to your thankless work. the threat ( bearded men in caves) does not exist.

 

[Mamba]

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting deception:</div><div class="quote_post">think of the 3000 as an tragic premium for controlling the worlds energy suppy. and as charles barkley likes to say "even a broken clock is right twice a day".

the last significant stride your government made on the war on terror was arresting some haitian illegals. bravo FBI!!! americans will forever be indebted to your thankless work. the threat ( bearded men in caves) does not exist.</div>

Does not exist? Are you that ignorant to what's going on today? Do you not see the threat that Hezbollah is offering to Israel. Haitian illegals? I'm sure when those Al-qaida members where in America, they were just some Arab illegals, right? Those illegals sure did cause a lot of damage and destrucion. They killed 3,000 innocent lives. You can think of the 3,000 like that. Anybody with a little bit of respect and dignity will think of them as what they are, innocent victims of hate. Not victims for controlling the energy supply.

 

[deception]

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting TheBlackMamba:</div><div class="quote_post">Does not exist? Are you that ignorant to what's going on today? Do you not see the threat that Hezbollah is offering to Israel. Haitian illegals? I'm sure when those Al-qaida members where in America, they were just some Arab illegals, right? Those illegals sure did cause a lot of damage and destrucion. They killed 3,000 innocent lives. You can think of the 3,000 like that. Anybody with a little bit of respect and dignity will think of them as what they are, innocent victims of hate. Not victims for controlling the energy supply.</div>

its really hard for me to reply- the world is a lot more complicated than the absolutes of right and wrong presented to you by fox news, courtesy of viagara. u are all over the map in your reply, without be insulting u really don't know what your talking about. on the topic of terrorists- theres a a gulf between what u hear and what is real. e.g. believe it or not israel's mossad (intelligence) created Hamas and now the world doesn't recognize hamas democratic victory in palestine.

 

[Mamba]

Maybe I am blinded by American media and their personal bias. Especially after 9/11. If I understand what you're saying, which is that terrorist don't pose a threat? I just don't see how you can say that when they cost over just about 3,000 lives in one attack?

 

[dunksworth]

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting TheBlackMamba:</div><div class="quote_post">With all respect, I think you could be wrong. The situation over there is very hostile right now. If Iran wants to provoke the situation any more, they can. Hezbollah is backed by Iran and Syria, both have crazy leaders. I think if Iran makes any offensive against Israel, you'll see the United States and Britain show physical support for Israel. Then, there is always the chance that North Korea gets involved with this. It might not be a World War, but this, in fact, could become a very dangerous situation.</div>
I agree. We shouldn't take this situation too lightly. Afterall, WWI started with a dispute between two nations then escalated to an all out war, largely due to the whole system of having alliances with other countries. Serbia was backed by Britain, France, Russia, etc while Austria was backed by Germany, Bolgaria, Ottoman Empire etc. Much like how Hezbollah is backed by Iran and Syria and Israel is backed by the US and Britain.

It's less likely that this will result in another WW considering the lessons learned from the first two wars, but you never know. The United Nations which was created after WWII to prevent another war is pretty much non-existent (and you can thank a certain president for setting a precedent of not listening to UN orders). Plus, whenever there's a war, some groups always profit from it. Whether it be companies that produce military equipment or companies that take control of resources from conquered nations..... some groups will benefit from war.

 

[deception]

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting TheBlackMamba:</div><div class="quote_post">Maybe I am blinded by American media and their personal bias. Especially after 9/11. If I understand what you're saying, which is that terrorist don't pose a threat? I just don't see how you can say that when they cost over just about 3,000 lives in one attack?</div>

3000 people a day die of aids, 5000 people a day die of preventable diseases= 8000 people u never heard about that die every day. on september 11-2001- it was 11, 000.

fyi, in 1994- 8000 additional people a day were dying for 100 days (= 800, 000) in the rwandan genocide and the world did nothing about it. i ask u this- is 3000 plus 2 kidnapped israeli solidiers worth another war or is it just a diversion from the more critical issues of the world like basic necessities.

 

[Chutney]

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting TheBlackMamba:</div><div class="quote_post">With all respect, I think you could be wrong. The situation over there is very hostile right now. If Iran wants to provoke the situation any more, they can. Hezbollah is backed by Iran and Syria, both have crazy leaders. I think if Iran makes any offensive against Israel, you'll see the United States and Britain show physical support for Israel. Then, there is always the chance that North Korea gets involved with this. It might not be a World War, but this, in fact, could become a very dangerous situation.</div>
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting dunksworth:</div><div class="quote_post">I agree. We shouldn't take this situation too lightly. Afterall, WWI started with a dispute between two nations then escalated to an all out war, largely due to the whole system of having alliances with other countries. Serbia was backed by Britain, France, Russia, etc while Austria was backed by Germany, Bolgaria, Ottoman Empire etc. Much like how Hezbollah is backed by Iran and Syria and Israel is backed by the US and Britain.

It's less likely that this will result in another WW considering the lessons learned from the first two wars, but you never know. The United Nations which was created after WWII to prevent another war is pretty much non-existent (and you can thank a certain president for setting a precedent of not listening to UN orders). Plus, whenever there's a war, some groups always profit from it. Whether it be companies that produce military equipment or companies that take control of resources from conquered nations..... some groups will benefit from war.</div>
I agree about this being a war. But it's nowhere near the level of a World War. There's none of the balance of power that was evident before both World Wars and the Cold War. If it were to come down to a full-blown war, the US and Israel are just too powerful. Also, this will be more about bombing and less about sending in troops. Unfortunately, there will probably be more civilian casualties. However, calling this a potential World War is being ignorant of the past.

 

[Mamba]

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting deception:</div><div class="quote_post">3000 people a day die of aids, 5000 people a day die of preventable diseases= 8000 people u never heard about that die every day. on september 11-2001- it was 11, 000.

fyi, in 1994- 8000 additional people a day were dying for 100 days (= 800, 000) in the rwandan genocide and the world did nothing about it. i ask u this- is 3000 plus 2 kidnapped israeli solidiers worth another war or is it just a diversion from the more critical issues of the world like basic necessities.</div>


Aids? Preventable diseases? Yes, I understand that but they're not victims of terrorists. So what's your point, why did you bring them into this? No disrespect, I just want to know.

I know about the Rwandan genocide.

I think 3,000 innocent Americans that died on an attack against the U.S. on U.S. soil gave Bush every right to go after the terrorists, any nation would've. Do I think he did it properly? Hell no.

As for Israel, they over-reacted. Because of their overreactions about two soldiers' lives, they've now lost 15+ soliders and killed many innocent civilians, as well.

 

[deception]

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting TheBlackMamba:</div><div class="quote_post">Aids? Preventable diseases? Yes, I understand that but they're not victims of terrorists. So what's your point, why did you bring them into this? No disrespect, I just want to know.

I know about the Rwandan genocide.

I think 3,000 innocent Americans that died on an attack against the U.S. on U.S. soil gave Bush every right to go after the terrorists, any nation would've. Do I think he did it properly? Hell no.

As for Israel, they over-reacted. Because of their overreactions about two soldiers' lives, they've now lost 15+ soliders and killed many innocent civilians, as well.</div>

u fell for the setup= u just admitted your belief that american lives are more worthwhile than "others".

 

[dunksworth]

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Chutney:</div><div class="quote_post">I agree about this being a war. But it's nowhere near the level of a World War. There's none of the balance of power that was evident before both World Wars and the Cold War. If it were to come down to a full-blown war, the US and Israel are just too powerful. Also, this will be more about bombing and less about sending in troops. Unfortunately, there will probably be more civilian casualties. However, calling this a potential World War is being ignorant of the past.</div>
I agree that it's very unlikely that this will result in another world war, but there's still a chance that this could get a lot worse. From what I've learned about past wars is that it's never just about countries having beef with other countries. There's a lot of instances where nations take advantage of these situations for their own benefit. And we just witnessed it with the War in Iraq where it had more to do with controlling oil than fighting terrorism....

This will most likely not escalate to another WW, but I wouldn't be surprised one bit if other countries decide to join in b/c of ulterior interests.

 

[Mamba]

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting deception:</div><div class="quote_post">u fell for the setup= u just admitted your belief that american lives are more worthwhile than "others".</div>

There is nothing we can do about AIDS, it's not something we can cure right now. Those people are going to die, to be blunt with you. Unless you have $$$ you're going to shorten your life, and eventually die.

American lives are worth no more than Arabian lives, everyone's life is equal. 3,000 innocent victims of a terror attack would put any country at war against terror, not just America. Britain, Germany, they would've all acted the same way. Israel, however, overreacted. They caused the death of 12 more soldiers than they should've. Because of two kidnapped soldiers, they've lost 15 Israeli civilians and 14 Israeli soldiers.

 

[deception]

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting TheBlackMamba:</div><div class="quote_post">There is nothing we can do about AIDS, it's not something we can cure right now. Those people are going to die, to be blunt with you. Unless you have $$$ you're going to shorten your life, and eventually die.

American lives are worth no more than Arabian lives, everyone's life is equal. 3,000 innocent victims of a terror attack would put any country at war against terror, not just America. Britain, Germany, they would've all acted the same way. Israel, however, overreacted. They caused the death of 12 more soldiers than they should've. Because of two kidnapped soldiers, they've lost 15 Israeli civilians and 14 Israeli soldiers.</div>

its not about money, its about values and most people in the world value humanity. the us military budget eclipses the military spending of the next 11 nations combined. in fact, all other first world nations have geared their armed forces for defensive missions (peacekeeping) while israel , the americans and the third world are in the business of fighting. ever heard of the "military -industrial complex" ? get to know it.

 

[Chutney]

I get deception's point about American's considering their own lives more valuable. The Rwandan Genocide was much more tragic, brutal, inhumane, etc. than 9/11. I know its hard to fathom, being that the attacks were so close to everyone, but it is true. Yet, most of the time the reaction tends to be that the genocide is over with and it was a regrettable tragedy. Meanwhile, the US is still fighting a war justified by the WTC terrorist attacks. Hurricane Katrina vs. the tsunami that devestated Indonesia and most of Asia is another example.

The rest of the world has always been forced to have a bit more tolerance when it comes to tragedy, compared to the US and Israel. I guess that's just one of the benefits of having a ridiculously powerful military.

 

[Brasco]

Deception your numbers comparison are a poor argument. that's the equivalent of going up to someone who's whole family was murdered and saying well big deal you only lost 4 people more people die in traffic accidents everyday. its not the numbers of dead that;s important but how they died and the intent of the peple who killed them.

 

[TheFreshPrince]

Iraq had nothing to do with 911, just thought i'd throw that out there

 

[Chutney]

No kidding. But it was partly justified because of 9/11.

 

[TheFreshPrince]

^^How

what did iraq do at all to cause 9/11

 

[Chutney]

Nothing. But the US partly justified taking over Iraq with 9/11. That's what I said already.

 

[CohanHater]

<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">I'm not protecting the killing of 100's of Lebanese people, because it's wrong. But, unlike the terrorist groups, the deaths of these people is ACCIDENTAL. Israel's targets are only places related to the Hezbollah.</div>

I'm actually of Syrian descent, born and raised in the states. Many of my family and friends are in Lebanon. Beirut was my favorite place on earth, and I've been all over it. I always find it intriguing how defenders of "Israel defending herself" has to put a disclaimer in front of statements like this "I'm not protecting the killing of 100's of Lebanese people, because it's wrong. But..."

What's going on in Lebanon has gone beyond depressing. To answer "What occupation" How about the occupation of the Palestinian people? Do you know how long Hezbollah has been around? Where they got all of their recruiting power? Answer: After the last Israeli invasion in the early 80's. The irony is that there would be no Hezbollah if Israel had not invaded Lebanon the 1st time. The same goes for Hamas... Israel's policy of strike first, assasinate leaders, imprison, torture without trial, and virtually imprisoning an entire people created Hamas. Now the Lebanese people and the Palestinians in Gaza are paying the price for Israel’s earlier aggression.

I ask you this... I saw pictures of Hezbollah rockets fired from buildings next to homes "as they were in Qana." These pictures were taken from fighter jets. How come we didn't see the actual pictures of the strike in Qana from the fighter jets? Why does it have to be ones "like it." Did those jets not have cameras? I’m not buying it.

How many times are ACCIDENTS justifiable? Ambulances, Shelters, Lebanese Soldiers, UN watchtowers... Is the IDF intelligence that poor? This is the same source that led us into Iraq. They were the source of WMD intelligence.

1 of two things is true here, either the IDF has extremely poor intelligence (I'm not buying it) or the targets were intentional and ammount to Terror bombings. After all, what greater terror is there in the middle east that an F-16 and laser guided munitions.

 

[Mamba]

Israel is still bombing without care. They've hit a UN outpost, killed hundreds of INNOCENT civilians, and they don't let up. They're not going to rid Hezbollah, they can't. More people will just fight.

Israel is also moving very close to the Syrian border with their bombs. I wouldn't be surprised to see Syria get involved, either verbally or militarily.

 

[playmaker15]

IMO this situation could end up being the third world war. There has been nothing resolved between the naitons in the Middle East. I don't think it will escalate into somehting of that magnitude but it will get worse.

 

[Mag]

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting playmaker15:</div><div class="quote_post">IMO this situation could end up being the third world war. There has been nothing resolved between the naitons in the Middle East. I don't think it will escalate into somehting of that magnitude but it will get worse.</div>

Has it not gotten so bad already? With the media and government so. . controlling nowadays, how do we really know what this is? Advances in technology will probably prevent another World War like the past 2, but casualty-wise, it'll be the same (IMHO).

Syria will get involved, IMO, but after the whole border issues with Lebanon, they're not gonna help the Lebanese in any way.

As for Israel, from a political standpoint, they're getting into too many rifts. Even with US backing, you can't have the entire Middle East hate you, and then you go invade a country over 2 soldiers.

Here's a link to what words cannot describe. <font color="red">WARNING: Some of these images are graphic and might upset some of you guys. </font>

[I know it upset me]

Link

If the Mods have a problem with the content, I fully understand the reasons for editing out the link. It's sad to see what the world has come to, eh?

 

[kobimel]

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting CohanHater:</div><div class="quote_post">


What's going on in Lebanon has gone beyond depressing. To answer "What occupation" How about the occupation of the Palestinian people? Do you know how long Hezbollah has been around? Where they got all of their recruiting power? Answer: After the last Israeli invasion in the early 80's. The irony is that there would be no Hezbollah if Israel had not invaded Lebanon the 1st time. The same goes for Hamas... Israel's policy of strike first, assasinate leaders, imprison, torture without trial, and virtually imprisoning an entire people created Hamas. Now the Lebanese people and the Palestinians in Gaza are paying the price for Israel?s earlier aggression.

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I ask YOU a question: why did Israel invade Lebanon in the 80's? Because of Hezbollah. There already WAS a Hezbollah before Israel invaded Lebanon, so obviously, the invasion didn't create them.

Since when is that Israel's policy? The country has been NOT striking for YEARS. When was the last time they assasinated a leader? And aren't Hamas and Hezbollah improsining the entire country as well?

 

[Vintage]

Who founded Hezbollah?

Iran.

 

[Vintage]

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting CohanHater:</div><div class="quote_post">

I'm actually of Syrian descent, born and raised in the states. Many of my family and friends are in Lebanon. Beirut was my favorite place on earth, and I've been all over it. I always find it intriguing how defenders of "Israel defending herself" has to put a disclaimer in front of statements like this "I'm not protecting the killing of 100's of Lebanese people, because it's wrong. But..."

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What SHOULD Israel do then, when over 200 rockets are launched at will against Israeli citizens? Bend over?

Or when Palestinian car bombs make its way over to Israel? Put a "welcome" sign out front?

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What's going on in Lebanon has gone beyond depressing. To answer "What occupation" How about the occupation of the Palestinian people? Do you know how long Hezbollah has been around? Where they got all of their recruiting power? Answer: After the last Israeli invasion in the early 80's. The irony is that there would be no Hezbollah if Israel had not invaded Lebanon the 1st time. The same goes for Hamas... Israel's policy of strike first, assasinate leaders, imprison, torture without trial, and virtually imprisoning an entire people created Hamas. Now the Lebanese people and the Palestinians in Gaza are paying the price for Israel?s earlier aggression.
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Odd. I noticed you never mention the Syrian occupation of Israel. You don't have an agenda, do you? I noticed you said you were of Syrian ancestory. Guess that clears it up.

Hezbollah was founded by Iran. It gets supported by Iran. And yes, it wouldn't exist if Israel existed...it also wouldn't exist without Iran.


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How many times are ACCIDENTS justifiable? Ambulances, Shelters, Lebanese Soldiers, UN watchtowers... Is the IDF intelligence that poor? This is the same source that led us into Iraq. They were the source of WMD intelligence.
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Why does Hezbollah launch its rockets IN CIVILIAN ZONES AMONGST THE CIVILIANS and get a free pass from you? If Hezbollah was operating, say...away from Lebanese towns....where do you think the fighting would occur?

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1 of two things is true here, either the IDF has extremely poor intelligence (I'm not buying it) or the targets were intentional and ammount to Terror bombings. After all, what greater terror is there in the middle east that an F-16 and laser guided munitions.</div>

What do you call 200 plus rockets being fired into your country for no other reason than for trying to kill as many Zionist Israelis as possible? Oh...freedom fighters.