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But, really, who would we want? I mean, really?

On a side-note, was KP there because he was shopping?
 
Meant to post this in the regular forum.
 
ABM said:
But, really, who would we want? I mean, really?

On a side-note, was KP there because he was shopping?
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Was he there? Probably had a face to face meeting with Paxson.

Makes a lot of sense. Both Hinrich and Nocioni make sense in trades for the Blazers (and to a lesser extent Gordon [would veto] and Deng [can't see Paxson giving up this early on him]). Lafrentz and/or Pryzbrilla make a lot of sense for the Bulls.
 
I don't see anyone that would be worth it at this point that is on the Bulls' roster. Yes, Hinrich, Deng, and Gordon are nice players, but I'm not sure the Blazers would be willing to take on their caliber of contracts. I won't even mention the pipe dream of getting Rose without having to give up one of our big three... ;)
 
SheedSoNasty said:
I don't see anyone that would be worth it at this point that is on the Bulls' roster. Yes, Hinrich, Deng, and Gordon are nice players, but I'm not sure the Blazers would be willing to take on their caliber of contracts. I won't even mention the pipe dream of getting Rose without having to give up one of our big three... ;)
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Gordon would instantaneously bring the Blazers to the level of the Spurs/Hornets, and make them a top Western team, instead of a pack team.

Kirk Hinrich and Luol Deng? Probably not worth the price of admissioin.
 
Денг Гордон said:
Gordon would instantaneously bring the Blazers to the level of the Spurs/Hornets, and make them a top Western team, instead of a pack team.

Kirk Hinrich and Luol Deng? Probably not worth the price of admissioin.
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Would he settle for a role off the bench?

Even then, he'd have to play point guard next to Rudy. I just don't care for what he'd bring to the table.
 
Deng used to be of enormous interest to me, but that was season before last, when he was improving.

Last season, he took a step backward. I was willing to give him a pass on that, as an anomaly. This year, he's taken a massive step back. It's a very concerning sign.

He's still young, but now I'd look at him more as a reclamation project; I wouldn't want to trade for him as though he were a star. Not only would Paxson probably not want to deal him for "project" value, his salary is onerous if he doesn't bounce back.

Outside of Derrick Rose, who won't be dealt, there's really no one on the Bulls who interests me. With Bayless finally getting minutes and starting to emerge, I want to get rid of Rodriguez without adding a second Steve Blake in Kirk Hinrich.
 
Денг Гордон said:
Gordon would instantaneously bring the Blazers to the level of the Spurs/Hornets, and make them a top Western team, instead of a pack team.
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Gordon is a poor fit for this team. I think Deng would be a nice addition at starting SF until I saw how much he was making. Ouch.
 
SheedSoNasty said:
Would he settle for a role off the bench?

Even then, he'd have to play point guard next to Rudy. I just don't care for what he'd bring to the table.
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I don't know why you would want to bring Gordon off the bench. He is a perfect fit next to Brandon Roy, who likes to handle the ball. Once you're in the half court, Gordon's fine handling the ball, although he has improved on the fast break a bit.
 
Денг Гордон said:
I don't know why you would want to bring Gordon off the bench. He is a perfect fit next to Brandon Roy, who likes to handle the ball. Once you're in the half court, Gordon's fine handling the ball, although he has improved on the fast break a bit.
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That exactly what a lot of people are saying about Jerryd Bayless here. Why pay so much for someone when we already have another player that can fit that mold?
 
SheedSoNasty said:
That exactly what a lot of people are saying about Jerryd Bayless here. Why pay so much for someone when we already have another player that can fit that mold?
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The problem is that there is no gurantee that Bayless reaches Gordon's level. Odds are against it.

Coming into tonight's game, Gordon was averaging 21.0 PPG on 58 TS%.

The other players in the NBA doing that this year? Lebron James, Devin Harris, Chris Bosh, Danny Granger, Amare Stoudemire, and Kevin Martin. The guy is an elite scorer, and would make a great second option next to Brandon Roy (or maybe even take over as first option). The thing with Gordon, is that he is scoring at a higher efficiency than Roy right now, and slightly less volume...but Gordon has never played with good big men, Roy has two pretty good ones in Oden/Aldridge. So Gordon's play might exceed Roy's, scoring wise, on the Blazers (of course with Roy too to take pressure off Gordon).

If I was the Blazers, going into this summers free agency, my top options would probably be the Utah big men, Boozer, then Millsap. But after that, Gordon. Hopefully Pritchard thinks otherwise, because the Bulls really need Gordon, and we don't need a team throwing big money at him. But Gordon/Roy/Aldridge/Oden is a pretty damn good core 4.
 
Денг Гордон said:
The problem is that there is no gurantee that Bayless reaches Gordon's level. Odds are against it.

Coming into tonight's game, Gordon was averaging 21.0 PPG on 58 TS%.

The other players in the NBA doing that this year? Lebron James, Devin Harris, Chris Bosh, Danny Granger, Amare Stoudemire, and Kevin Martin. The guy is an elite scorer, and would make a great second option next to Brandon Roy (or maybe even take over as first option). The thing with Gordon, is that he is scoring at a higher efficiency than Roy right now, and slightly less volume...but Gordon has never played with good big men, Roy has two pretty good ones in Oden/Aldridge. So Gordon's play might exceed Roy's, scoring wise, on the Blazers (of course with Roy too to take pressure off Gordon).

If I was the Blazers, going into this summers free agency, my top options would probably be the Utah big men, Boozer, then Millsap. But after that, Gordon. Hopefully Pritchard thinks otherwise, because the Bulls really need Gordon, and we don't need a team throwing big money at him. But Gordon/Roy/Aldridge/Oden is a pretty damn good core 4.
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Scoring is not our problem. Defending the point is. Gordon makes us worse in that respect.
 
I don't really want any of the Bulls on this team (other than Rose, duh).

Hinrich is OK, but I don't think he is a particularly big upgrade over Blake, and his contract is on the UGLY side @ ~9mil a year until 2011/12.

Deng is a nice player, but it looks like he is slated to make 14,000,000 in 6 years.

Gordon is going to want max $$ soon, and I don't think he would be worth it (and his d sucks).

At this point I would rather keep Przy than get either of those guys for him.
 
maxiep said:
Scoring is not our problem. Defending the point is. Gordon makes us worse in that respect.
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Gordon's held the opposing shooting guard to 13.8 PER this year. His defense on shooting guards has been fine. His point guard sample size is bad (while his small forward is great) due to small sample size. But he has done a good job defending his position this year, given league average is 15.

http://www.82games.com/0809/08CHI4.HTM#pstats

Gordon's not the defensive liability he was in the past. He knows how to play smart defense thanks to Skiles (a defensive guru).

Really, your defensive problem isn't the player, it's the system. Go buy off Thibodeau, and make him paid like a head coach in an assistant role.
 
Rose



Deng













everyone else on that barren of talent team



How in the world were they the rising newcomer team just two years ago? its almost like they play flat-footed.
 
Денг Гордон said:
Gordon's held the opposing shooting guard to 13.8 PER this year. His defense on shooting guards has been fine. His point guard sample size is bad (while his small forward is great) due to small sample size. But he has done a good job defending his position this year, given league average is 15.

http://www.82games.com/0809/08CHI4.HTM#pstats

Gordon's not the defensive liability he was in the past. He knows how to play smart defense thanks to Skiles (a defensive guru).
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Not interested.
 
rocketeer said:
trade aldridge to sign millsap?
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Sign Millsap, then trade Aldridge to fill in a gap elsewhere.

Young big men like Aldridge can bring back a lot of value in a trade. One thing I've noticed from talking to various basketball people, is that it doesn't seem like a lot of GM's have a grasp on what they're doing. I don't think a lot of GM's look at things like scoring efficiency.

Aldridge isn't a very efficient scorer. He's an okay rebounder. Millsap is a very efficient scorer and a good rebounder. The power forward choice, if Millsap is willing to sign, is a no brainer.

Then you can trade Aldridge for a small forward or point guard, depending on what you want, and get a good one, since Aldridge is a big with pretty good basic stats.
 
Денг Гордон said:
Sign Millsap, then trade Aldridge to fill in a gap elsewhere.

Young big men like Aldridge can bring back a lot of value in a trade. One thing I've noticed from talking to various basketball people, is that it doesn't seem like a lot of GM's have a grasp on what they're doing. I don't think a lot of GM's look at things like scoring efficiency.

Aldridge isn't a very efficient scorer. He's an okay rebounder. Millsap is a very efficient scorer and a good rebounder. The power forward choice, if Millsap is willing to sign, is a no brainer.

Then you can trade Aldridge for a small forward or point guard, depending on what you want, and get a good one, since Aldridge is a big with pretty good basic stats.
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Aldridge is rounding into one of the better defenders on our team and his high post oriented game will be a perfect compliment to Oden working the low block as the year's progress. I like Millsap, but I'd rather keep Aldridge if it's all the same to you and spend cap money this summer to get a small forward like Josh Childress.
 
Денг Гордон said:
Gordon's held the opposing shooting guard to 13.8 PER this year. His defense on shooting guards has been fine. His point guard sample size is bad (while his small forward is great) due to small sample size. But he has done a good job defending his position this year, given league average is 15.
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We wouldn't need him to guard a SG if he's playing alongside Roy. He'd need to guard PGs, and I don't think that many people think he'd be even passable there.

The guy can shoot the ball, though, that's for sure...

Ed O.
 
I'd agree that Hinrich, Nocioni or Deng sort of make sense for you guys, but Hinrich is the only one I'd consider a deal for. You wouldn't give us anything to make me want to trade Deng (if he's going to pull out of his tailspin... which I think is largely because the coaches play to his weaknesses... it might as well be with us... we won't get good value otherwise). You've got better options than Noc already.

So that leaves Hinrich. I think he's significantly better than Blake, but is that worth it? If at the end of the day you expect Bayless or Rudy to start there, probably not.
 
MikeDC said:
I'd agree that Hinrich, Nocioni or Deng sort of make sense for you guys, but Hinrich is the only one I'd consider a deal for. You wouldn't give us anything to make me want to trade Deng (if he's going to pull out of his tailspin... which I think is largely because the coaches play to his weaknesses... it might as well be with us... we won't get good value otherwise). You've got better options than Noc already.

So that leaves Hinrich. I think he's significantly better than Blake, but is that worth it? If at the end of the day you expect Bayless or Rudy to start there, probably not.
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How is Hinrich "significantly better than Blake"?

He is a better defender, but that is really it. I think Hinrich would be a nice addition to the Blazers, but I find it laughable when fans of other teams say their PG's are significantly better than Blake when frankly they aren't.


Portland has spare parts, and adding players like Deng, Nocioni and Hinrich would help our team, I'm not sure how much.

As for Ben Gordon? Nice player, horrible fit in Portland.
 
Gordon has always struck me as a ball hog. I haven't seen very much of him though.
 
Natebishop3 said:
Gordon has always struck me as a ball hog. I haven't seen very much of him though.
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~21PPG on 16 FGA with ~4 APG is a ball hog?

Seems similar to Roy's numbers:

~23PPG on 17 FGA with ~5 APG
 
Denny Crane said:
~21PPG on 16 FGA with ~4 APG is a ball hog?

Seems similar to Roy's numbers:

~23PPG on 17 FGA with ~5 APG
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The guy is talented DC. I've just always felt, when I've had a chance to watch him, that his shots weren't coming in the flow of the offense. I've seen him go one-on-one at lot. Roy has really only started to do that this year as well, so really I'm not defending him. At times many of us have felt that the Portland offense shuts down and watches Roy.
 
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