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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>June 04, 2008
McCain Should Pick Sarah Palin for VP
By Jack Kelly

Who? When?

Republicans including, I imagine, Sen. McCain himself are asking these questions about his selection of a vice presidential candidate.

Ideally, a presidential candidate wants a running mate who will help him or her win the election, and (maybe) to govern afterwards. But most will settle for a veep who isn't a drag on the ticket, as Dan Quayle was for the first President Bush.

Traditionally, a presidential nominee has chosen a running mate to balance the ticket geographically, or to appease a faction of the party. The most successful example of this was when John F. Kennedy picked Lyndon Johnson, though neither liked the other, and LBJ joined the ticket only because he thought Kennedy would lose.

Bill Clinton broke with this tradition when he chose another young (purported) moderate from a neighboring southern state. By picking Al Gore, he hoped to reinforce his campaign theme of generational change.

Which way will Sen. McCain go? The potential running mates most often discussed have downsides nearly as great as their upsides. Gov. Tim Pawlenty helps only in Minnesota, and not enough, according to current polls, to make a difference there. Sen. McCain's friend Sen. Joe Lieberman would bring in some moderate Democrats, but could further antagonize conservatives already suspicious of Sen. McCain. Gov. Romney would have little appeal to working class whites unhappy with Sen. Obama, and evangelicals fret about that Mormon thing. A Huckabee nomination would irritate economic and foreign policy conservatives as much as it would please evangelicals.

Louisiana Gov. Bobby Jindal is a rising star. But he's only 36, and he's been governor for less than a year.
There is one potential running mate who has virtually no down side. Those conservatives who've heard of her were delighted to learn that McCain advance man Arthur Culvahouse was in Alaska recently, because they surmised he could only be there to discuss the vice presidential nomination with Gov. Sarah Palin.

At 44, Sarah Louise Heath Palin is both the youngest and the first female governor in Alaska's relatively brief history as a state. She's also the most popular governor in America, with an approval rating that has bounced around 90 percent.

This is due partly to her personal qualities. When she was leading her underdog Wasilla high school basketball team to the state championship in 1982, her teammates called her "Sarah Barracuda" because of her fierce competitiveness.

Two years later, when she won the "Miss Wasilla" beauty pageant, she was also voted "Miss Congeniality" by the other contestants.

Sarah Barracuda. Miss Congeniality. Fire and nice. A happily married mother of five who is still drop dead gorgeous. And smart to boot.

But it's mostly because she's been a crackerjack governor, a strong fiscal conservative and a ferocious fighter of corruption, especially in her own party.

Ms. Palin touches other conservative bases, some of which Sen. McCain has been accused of rounding. Track, her eldest son, enlisted in the Army last Sept. 11. She's a lifetime member of the National Rifle Association who hunts, fishes and runs marathons. A regular churchgoer, she's staunchly pro-life.

Kimberley Strassel of the Wall Street Journal said Sen. McCain should run against a corrupt, do-nothing Congress, a la Harry Truman. If he should choose to do so, Gov. Palin would make an excellent partner "The landscape is littered with the bodies of those who have crossed Sarah," pollster Dave Dittman told the Weekly Standard's Fred Barnes.

Sen. Barack Obama's support has plunged recently among white women. Many Hillary Clinton supporters accuse him -- I think unfairly -- of being sexist. Having Sarah Palin on the ticket could help Sen. McCain appeal to these disgruntled Democrats.

Running mates usually aren't named until the convention. But if Sen. McCain should name Gov. Palin earlier, it would give America more time to get to know this extraordinary woman. And because she's at least a dozen feature stories waiting to be written, she could help him dominate the news between now and the conventions.

Another reason for selecting Sarah Palin early would be to force Barack Obama to make a mistake. He'd have to rule out choosing someone like Virginia Sen. Jim Webb as his running mate, for fear of exacerbating charges of sexism. And if he chose a woman other than Hillary, the impression Democrats are wimpy would be intensified.</div>

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She's a total social conservative so she can appease that side of the party. She's also young, vibrant, and enormousely popular. I think once America gets to know this woman they'll fall in love with her.

There is a downside, she's from Alaska. Doesn't help McCain help PA, OH, or MI.
 
Jack Kelly is probably popping champaign bottles tonight. He called it.
 
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The Palin Pick: Bold or Disastrous?
Friday, Aug. 29, 2008 By MARK HALPERIN

John McCain's selection of Sarah Palin as his running mate will either turn out to be a brilliant way for the Republican to scramble the race in his favor — or a disastrous pick that is cast as a desperate act.

On the face of it, McCain has failed the ultimate test that any presidential candidate must face in picking a running mate: selecting someone who is unambiguously qualified to be president.

Palin is a talented politician who has both support among conservatives and a compelling personal story. But her short resume in Alaska politics and her nonexistent national track record will make it impossible for McCain to argue with a straight face that she was the most qualified person he could have selected.

In the short term, the pick will create excitement among the kind of grass-roots conservatives who have never been enthusiastic about McCain, and in the media, which will be fascinated by Palin's good looks (matched by those of her dishy husband), intelligence and charm.

But Palin is now going to have to perform at a very high level to persuade the media and the public that she is truly ready to be a heartbeat away — and a 72-year-old's heart at that — from the presidency. How she handles questions about federal issues, national security and foreign affairs will be closely scrutinized, and her margin of error is next to zero.

Early mistakes, like the ones made by Dan Quayle in 1988, could be devastating — not just to her, but also to McCain's chances. Those who point out that George H.W. Bush was able to win despite Dan Quayle's presence on the ticket forget that the country was much more solidly Republican at the presidential level back then than in today's 50-50 America.

In addition, Palin has already had at least one ethical flap as governor, and her personal, political and financial background will be intensely picked over by the Democrats and the national media.

Barack Obama's pick for his running mate, Joe Biden of Delaware, has already seen the kind of scrutiny a running mate gets, with stories about the financial dealings of his son and brother. The difference is that Biden has had decades in the national spotlight, which means that voters have more context in which to evaluate these stories and that Biden has much more experience in dealing with this kind of controversy. Palin will not only have to get up to speed on a range of issues, but handle the inevitable flaps that will come her way.

Perhaps all of these potential problems will be avoided because Palin, like Barack Obama, will turn out to be a young, once-in-a-generation political figure who can handle American politics at the highest level without the usual experience. That's what John McCain is counting on. He has always been something of a political gambler. Some of his closest advisers have looked at polling data for many months and reached the conclusion that the national environment is so grim for the Republican Party that McCain can only win the election with a series of bold moves. Palin is clearly intended to help with voters who want change, voters who think America is on the wrong track, and voters who have soured on President Bush.

But if McCain is wrong about how big a plus Palin will be, he might have just undone the gains of the last last month, in which his campaign succeeded somewhat in defining Obama on Republican terms and closed the gap with the Democratic nominee in key state polls. He has taken a chance on Sarah Palin to shake up the race — but at a time when many Republicans do not see why the race needs to be shaken up.

Source: Time
 
On the face of it, McCain has failed the ultimate test that any presidential candidate must face in picking a running mate: selecting someone who is unambiguously qualified to be president.

Could be worst, the Dems made that same mistake when picking the presidential nominee
 
I think TheBeef's TV is stuck on Fox News and he can't find the remote.
 
Jack Cafferty, a liberal CNN commentator, decided Barack Obama had more experience than Sarah Palin. How?

Why are people dismissing Alaska? Alaska is one of the most corrupt states in that nation. Take it from somebody who is from the most corrupt state in America, or at least top 3. There's so much poverty, and it's arguably the most environmentally sensitive state in the nation.

Anyone who dismisses Palin because she was governor of Alaska is nuts.

What the hell did Obama do to be qualified for President? And why are these same nutcases not asking the same questions of Barack Obama in this campaign that they are of Palin? The voters are, which is why they have been basically tied for weeks.
 
Jack Cafferty, a liberal CNN commentator, decided Barack Obama had more experience than Sarah Palin. How?

Why are people dismissing Alaska? Alaska is one of the most corrupt states in that nation. Take it from somebody who is from the most corrupt state in America, or at least top 3. There's so much poverty, and it's arguably the most environmentally sensitive state in the nation.

Anyone who dismisses Palin because she was governor of Alaska is nuts.

They're both inexperienced.
 
Jack Cafferty, a liberal CNN commentator, decided Barack Obama had more experience than Sarah Palin. How?

Why are people dismissing Alaska? Alaska is one of the most corrupt states in that nation. Take it from somebody who is from the most corrupt state in America, or at least top 3. There's so much poverty, and it's arguably the most environmentally sensitive state in the nation.

Anyone who dismisses Palin because she was governor of Alaska is nuts.

What the hell did Obama do to be qualified for President? And why are these same nutcases not asking the same questions of Barack Obama in this campaign? The voters are, which is why they have been basically tied for weeks.
I agree with you. I think they're both inexperienced when compared to others. However, experience was made an issue by McCain, not the Democrats, so he has to bite the bullet on the selection.
 
Last I checked, Sarah Palin was running for VP, not President. And John McCain was running for President.

BTW, if I'm not mistaken if McCain is elected, no. 2 is Palin, no. 3 is Pelosi and no. 4 is Robert Byrd. Compared to those two is Palin really that bad of an option if God forbid something ever happened to McCain?
 
I've only heard the woman make one speech, and that today. She has been plenty good enough so far. She demonstrated as much a command of the issues as Obama.

Shouldn't we at least let her be introduced to the masses before leaping to judgment?
 
Last I checked, Sarah Palin was running for VP, not President. And John McCain was running for President.

BTW, if I'm not mistaken if McCain is elected, no. 2 is Palin, no. 3 is Pelosi and no. 4 is Robert Byrd. Compared to those two is Palin really that bad of an option if God forbid something ever happened to McCain?

Last time I checked, who was pounding Obama on experience? McCain's not exactly a youngster either, picking Palin matters.
 
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On the face of it, McCain has failed the ultimate test that any presidential candidate must face in picking a running mate: selecting someone who is unambiguously qualified to be president.

Al Gore and Dan Quayle were VP's so that shoots that statement out of the water
 
Al Gore and Dan Quayle were VP's so that shoots that statement out of the water

I'm not sure why Al Gore was unqualified? But both those guys were picked for geography reasons mostly. A lot of the questions surrounding the pick of Palin wouldn't exist if she were from a battleground state.
 
Shouldn't we at least let her be introduced to the masses before leaping to judgment?

Heh heh. I agree. Already today, we have seen the most partisan people on our site reveal themselves by either throwing her under the bus or throwing their blind faith behind someone they just found out about, with very little rationale. Then again, when you are that partisan, rationale is not one of one's larger defining traits and often accuse their enemies of exactly the same thing that their friends are guilty of.

Why not give it a week or two to figure out more? Maybe wait until the RNC is over before deciding that she is now your new favorite friend or enemy? There is at least 2 months to make up your mind, don't rush.
 
Heh heh. I agree. Already today, we have seen the most partisan people on our site reveal themselves by either throwing her under the bus or throwing their blind faith behind someone they just found out about, with very little rationale. Then again, when you are that partisan, rationale is not one of one's larger defining traits and often accuse their enemies of exactly the same thing that their friends are guilty of.

Why not give it a week or two to figure out more? Maybe wait until the RNC is over before deciding that she is now your new favorite friend or enemy? There is at least 2 months to make up your mind, don't rush.

I'm a Libertarian.

I don't have to figure out anything about her to point out the issue of "experience", in this election.
 
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Heh heh. I agree. Already today, we have seen the most partisan people on our site reveal themselves by either throwing her under the bus or throwing their blind faith behind someone they just found out about, with very little rationale. Then again, when you are that partisan, rationale is not one of one's larger defining traits and often accuse their enemies of exactly the same thing that their friends are guilty of.

Why not give it a week or two to figure out more? Maybe wait until the RNC is over before deciding that she is now your new favorite friend or enemy? There is at least 2 months to make up your mind, don't rush.
I actually think it was a great pick for McCain, I only pointed out where it could hurt the campaign and the fact that McCain only met her once before, yet says things like "when you get to know her, you'll be as impressed as I am" to his supporters.
 
I actually think it was a great pick for McCain, I only pointed out where it could hurt the campaign and the fact that McCain only met her once before, yet says things like "when you get to know her, you'll be as impressed as I am" to his supporters.

I have said the same thing in the other thread as well.
 
If McCain was elected president and dies (even if the chances are low), would you want someone as inexperienced as Palin to be Pres?
 
If McCain was elected president and dies (even if the chances are low), would you want someone as inexperienced as Palin to be Pres?

If that's your concern, why would you consider electing someone as inexperienced as Obama to the top spot, where he doesn't take over unless there's some horrible tragedy.

If McCain lives to be 100, he'll be the more experienced PRESIDENT the next 4 or 8 years.
 
If that's your concern, why would you consider electing someone as inexperienced as Obama to the top spot, where he doesn't take over unless there's some horrible tragedy.

If McCain lives to be 100, he'll be the more experienced PRESIDENT the next 4 or 8 years.

Exactly Denny, Obama has no experience at all, and that's why he's not getting my vote. (even though I like Biden)

Palin was a great choice for VP, she'll be the first woman for that position, and is pretty darn young.
 
Exactly Denny, Obama has no experience at all, and that's why he's not getting my vote. (even though I like Biden)

Palin was a great choice for VP, she'll be the first woman for that position, and is pretty darn young.

I thought being young was bad?
 
Makes sense. Gore didn't win anything, anytime. :)

Right.

Most of you guys have just heard of this woman and actually read about her in any great detail today. It was said earlier that McCain had only met her once before giving her that phone call. John McCain's camp did all the work on finding her and offering her a job.
 

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