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People keep saying they wouldn't trade for #1 because there is no clear cut #1. That's kind of a silly argument. That argument works in a draft like last season when there wasn't elite talent to pick from at the top. This year the top 3 players are all worth being taken #1, in fact I'm not sure Exum doesn't fit in that category as well. Most drafts a guy like Marcus Smart would be a heck of a get at 3 and maybe as high as 2. This year though could go as low as 7.
 
Robin Lopez is exactly the type of center LaMarcus Aldridge asked for in the previous year's exit interview. Lopez and Aldridge work well together on the court (almost like basketball is a team game) and both play better for it. The fact that Lopez boxes out, which leads to more "uncontested" rebounds by his teammates, is not proof that LaMarcus Aldridge isn't a good player.

That is very true what it does suggest though is that he gets easier opportunities for rebounds when he shared the court with Rolo. 9 rebounds or 11 rebounds LA does not become a bad player cause his job is easier. All it does is show Rolo's value.
 
That is very true what it does suggest though is that he gets easier opportunities for rebounds when he shared the court with Rolo. 9 rebounds or 11 rebounds LA does not become a bad player cause his job is easier. All it does is show Rolo's value.

It's one of those implied stats you can only prove by watching tons of film, too, so it goes untracked except maybe by SportsVU. Rolo's big body and willingness to block out up to three dudes just to make sure someone else gets a rebound (while still rebounding well himself) is what sets him apart from a guy like Hickson who gets rebounds but without the benefit of helping anyone else get rebounds.

Robin is "a great glue guy" and "does the little things", which is hokey but true.

EDIT: actually, there is a telling stat. In 2012-13, we ranked 20th and 23rd in DReb% and OReb%, respectively. In 2013-14, we ranked 13th and 3rd. The major change? Robin Lopez (and TRob).
 
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And how do you know that keeping Aldridge at 100 million won't be?
Because he's arguably the best PF in the game today, and we still haven't seen the best he can be.

Because we're farther up the improvement curve than we've been in a decade and a half, and Aldridge is far and away the biggest reason we're where we are.

Because we have until the trade deadline next season to measure our place on that improvement curve before we (the team and LaMarcus) make the final decision.

I could go on and on and on, and probably will later, but I have to get back to work...
 
Sorry Wookie, I would definitely think long and hard about making this trade. I like Aldridge but in my opinion Aldridge isn't an elite player that can win championships. He's a nice 2nd or 3rd piece but he's going to want max contract this time and I think that would be a huge mistake. I would ask for 2 top ten picks or #1 and an expiring contract (Gasol's contract would be nice three team deal with Lakers). Do I think Cleveland will do this, maybe you never know depends on how much they want Aldridge.

People are bloody unreasonable. Aldridge isn't a max player, yet he's worth 2 top 10 picks (including the #1 overall) in a relatively strong draft? With the way people are criticizing Aldridge's game and contract situation, I would think he's hardly worth an expiring....
 
I said I would ask for 2 picks doesn't mean I think we will get them. Obviously we have to take a contract back if we traded Aldridge so yes I would want an expiring contract. I like Aldridge I personally just don't think he's a number 1 guy but I'm sure there are lots of teams out there that would pay him a max contract. There almost always is (Lakers, NY Knicks). Again didn't say I would trade him but I'd definitely consider it and I'd ask for the world and settle for some where in between.
 
I was asked by the mods to stop with the pants shitting stuff, yet this guy keeps posting about it.

Who needs to grow up?

No, they want you to stop shitting your pants, and Fez agrees with them.
 
What makes LaMarcus one of the best PFs in the game today? I keep seeing people say that, but what exactly is he so good at? He's more like the Jamal Crawford of the PF world. Volume shooter who can get his own shot and gets really hot every once in awhile, average at everything else.
 
What makes LaMarcus one of the best PFs in the game today? I keep seeing people say that, but what exactly is he so good at? He's more like the Jamal Crawford of the PF world. Volume shooter who can get his own shot and gets really hot every once in awhile, average at everything else.

LA did what Roy and others could not, lead the Blazers out of the first round of the playoffs:

LaMarcus Aldridge has 89 points in Games 1 & 2. Only Jordan, West, and Iverson have more to start a playoff series.

LaMarcus Aldridge joins Kobe Bryant (2001) and LeBron James (2009) as the only active players to score 40+ in consecutive playoff games.

that is pretty good company . .

He did pretty well in the regular season too:

To start the season and through mid-January:

Aldridge has been as sensational as he has been consistent this season. He ranks sixth in the NBA in both scoring (23.6) and rebounding (11.0), both at a career-high pace.

Aldridge, Minnesota's Kevin Love and Sacramento's DeMarcus Cousins are the only players averaging 23 points and 10 boards a game.

Portland's 6-11, 250-pound front-liner also is on pace for a career high in assists (2.9), and he is shooting a solid .809 from the foul line.

Aldridge has scored in double figures in every game this season. He has had monster performances -- 31 points and 25 rebounds against Houston, 30 points and 21 boards vs. Golden State. He has made more big shots in clutch situations than at any time in his career. He has 21 double-doubles and 15 games of at least 20 points and 10 rebounds.

And then there is this value he adds to the team:

Thanks to LaMarcus Aldridge and Damian Lillard, the Portland Trail Blazers are now a team of choice for NBA superstars looking to switch locales.

That's what Aldridge leads us to believe anyway, having apparently spent All-Star Weekend listening to various players express a desire to partner with Lillard and himself.

"Definitely a few guys have told me that this weekend," Aldridge told CSNNW's Chris Haynes of players informing him they want to play in Portland.



I would say he is a keeper . . .
 
Treaty, so you're backing up your idea with two games? That does not refute my position that LA is a Jamal Crawford type.
 
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Thanks to LaMarcus Aldridge and Damian Lillard, the Portland Trail Blazers are now a team of choice for NBA superstars looking to switch locales.




Bwahahahaha
 
Treaty, so you're backing up your idea with two games? That does not refute my position that LA is a Jamal Crawford type.

I don't know what you mean by Jamal Crawford type . . does JC average a double double in the regular season, make the all star team and then score 89 points in two games in the playoffs leading the team to the second round? If so I want more more Jamal Crawford types.
 
Boy, I sure do love it when willfully reductionist posts are countered with posts playing dumb.
 
I'm just not comfortable having LA eat up 20+ million in cap space as he nears 30. He's either the best of second-best PF in the game, and he was simply amazing in Games 1 & 2 vs. Houston but will he ever be the dominant force on the block that we need? He takes too many jump shots, a lot of them extremely contested and really doesn't shoot the ball efficiently. Also, does he have room to improve?

I'm not super stoked about dealing him for the No. 1 pick this year (the Davis draft would be a whole different discussion), as there's not a clear-cut franchise-changing player available, but at what point do you sell high? And then there's the chance LA could just get up and leave after next year. We've got a lot of decisions to be made roster wise as so many contracts are up for grabs and is the current team good enough to win it all? Yes, we finally made it out of the First Round. That's fantastic. But don't get it twisted, it's not the end game. Lets not end up like the Phoenix Suns of the early 90's or Utah Jazz a few years ago where the peak was a WCF appearance. It's about championships!
 
I like Aldridge a lot better if he's averaging 35min a game and not 38

Totally different player when he's rested.
 
I like Aldridge a lot better if he's averaging 35min a game and not 38

Totally different player when he's rested.

Completely agree. Stotts needs to get the starter closer to 30m then 40 next season.
 
My only concern about LA: Did he get satisfied and quit in the playoffs? Was it all just about getting out of the first round for him?

If he did, he isn't someone I want to commit long term too at least not as the number one option.
 
My only concern about LA: Did he get satisfied and quit in the playoffs? Was it all just about getting out of the first round for him?

If he did, he isn't someone I want to commit long term too at least not as the number one option.

Pretty much, but isn't the big knock on Wiggins that he doesn't have the killer instinct guys like the rapist have?
 
Too lazy to read the whole thread.

So when are we trading LaMarcus to Cleveland for their number 1? Draft night?
 
LA did what Roy and others could not, lead the Blazers out of the first round of the playoffs:

LaMarcus Aldridge has 89 points in Games 1 & 2. Only Jordan, West, and Iverson have more to start a playoff series.

LaMarcus Aldridge joins Kobe Bryant (2001) and LeBron James (2009) as the only active players to score 40+ in consecutive playoff games.

that is pretty good company . .

He did pretty well in the regular season too:

To start the season and through mid-January:

Aldridge has been as sensational as he has been consistent this season. He ranks sixth in the NBA in both scoring (23.6) and rebounding (11.0), both at a career-high pace.

Aldridge, Minnesota's Kevin Love and Sacramento's DeMarcus Cousins are the only players averaging 23 points and 10 boards a game.

Portland's 6-11, 250-pound front-liner also is on pace for a career high in assists (2.9), and he is shooting a solid .809 from the foul line.

Aldridge has scored in double figures in every game this season. He has had monster performances -- 31 points and 25 rebounds against Houston, 30 points and 21 boards vs. Golden State. He has made more big shots in clutch situations than at any time in his career. He has 21 double-doubles and 15 games of at least 20 points and 10 rebounds.

And then there is this value he adds to the team:

Thanks to LaMarcus Aldridge and Damian Lillard, the Portland Trail Blazers are now a team of choice for NBA superstars looking to switch locales.

That's what Aldridge leads us to believe anyway, having apparently spent All-Star Weekend listening to various players express a desire to partner with Lillard and himself.

"Definitely a few guys have told me that this weekend," Aldridge told CSNNW's Chris Haynes of players informing him they want to play in Portland.



I would say he is a keeper . . .

What is weird to me for a guy that averaged a double double on the season to only put up 21 double doubles seems strange and a lack on consistency.
 
What is weird to me for a guy that averaged a double double on the season to only put up 21 double doubles seems strange and a lack on consistency.

Bring back JJ since that stat is so important to winning.
 
What is weird to me for a guy that averaged a double double on the season to only put up 21 double doubles seems strange and a lack on consistency.

What it means is that he was probably consistent enough over the course of the season to at least pull down 8 or 9 rebounds a night as his production floor ... in other words he was consistent this year whereas he had plenty of 3, 4 and 5 rebounds per game in years past. Granted this is just a guess, I'm far too lazy to go look this stuff up at basketball-reference.com, but you're more than welcome.
 
What is weird to me for a guy that averaged a double double on the season to only put up 21 double doubles seems strange and a lack on consistency.

I got that from an article written in mid January. When the Blazers got off to such a fast start, LA was a big part of it. as the season went on the Blazers tailed off along with Aldridge . . .but he did finish the year with 40 double doubles, 10th in the league.

Love, Drummonds and Cousins finished 1-3 with Love blowing away the others with 65.



Edit: LA did finish tied for 3rd in the post season for double doubles with 8

http://espn.go.com/nba/statistics/player/_/stat/double-doubles/sort/doubleDouble
 
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I got that from an article written in mid January. When the Blazers got off to such a fast start, LA was a big part of it. as the season went on the Blazers tailed off along with Aldridge . . .but he did finish the year with 40 double doubles, 10th in the league.

Love, Drummonds and Cousins finished 1-3 with Love blowing away the others with 65.



Edit: LA did finish tied for 3rd in the post season for double doubles with 8

http://espn.go.com/nba/statistics/player/_/stat/double-doubles/sort/doubleDouble

Okay that makes more sense.
 
LaMarcus Aldridge has 89 points in Games 1 & 2. Only Jordan, West, and Iverson have more to start a playoff series.

A very historical first two games. However...

In the next four games of the Rockets series and the 5 games of the Spurs series he shot a very underwhelming, non-historical .402 from the field. So two great games and 9 very sub-par games if the total picture is considered.

That is to take nothing away from what he did but also to recognize he was one of the least efficient players on the floor after that.

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A very historical first two games. However...

In the next four games of the Rockets series and the 5 games of the Spurs series he shot a very underwhelming, non-historical .402 from the field. So two great games and 9 very sub-par games if the total picture is considered.

That is to take nothing away from what he did but also to recognize he was one of the least efficient players on the floor after that.

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I can't believe how much some people in this forum undervalue LaMarcus Aldridge.

First yes, his performance in Games 1 and 2 were of historical greatness. Think about that again before you dismiss it. Look at the VERY select list of people who have, in the entire history of the NBA, put up similar performances. That he is capable of such performances, in consecutive playoff games, makes him an elite player capable of carrying his team to victory in the post season. There aren't a lot of guys out there that can do that. We're lucky, we have one of those guys and not only CAN he do it, he DID it.

Of course his production went down after those first two games. His dominance in Games 1 and 2 forced Houston to completely change their game plan to try to slow him down. They were forced to replace Terence Jones and start Omar Asik in his place. In a very high scoring series, this forced Houston to play 4 on 5 on offense for the final four games of the series. Think about that. How many players are there in this league that will force an opponent to completely alter their game plan to try to stop them? Not a lot. We're lucky, we have one of them.

And, Houston's focus on stopping Aldridge also created easy scoring opportunities for his teammates. In addition to starting Asik in place of Jones, Houston started doubling Aldridge more, which led to more open looks for Batum, Matthews and Lillard. All of those guys saw their scoring go up, especially Batum and Matthews as Houston focused more on stopping Aldridge.

And, when Asik was in foul trouble and they were forced to play Terence Jones, McHale didn't want him anywhere near Aldridge. He was forced to put Dwight Howard on Aldridge, which drew Howard out of the paint and left Houston without anyone protecting the paint. This allowed Lillard to drive the lane without resistance and also created many easy baskets for Robin Lopez.

In spite of Houston completely changing their game plan to try to stop Aldridge, they failed. Sure, his scoring was no longer of historical greatness, but one thing didn't change. In every game the Blazer won in the Houston series, LaMarcus was the team's leading scorer. That's right, not only would we have not won Games 1 and 2 without Aldridge, we also would not have won Game 4 (29 points, 10 rebounds) and Game 6 (30 points, 13 rebounds). It is obvious to anyone, that we would not have won that series without Aldridge. In fact, I honestly believe if you replace Aldridge with any other power forward in the worold, Houston sweeps the Blazers in that series.

In the closest playoff series I can remember in my long lifetime of following the NBA, Aldridge completely dominated his opponents. For the entire six game series, Houston outscored the Blazers by 2 points (672-670), but Aldridge outscored his counterparts by 127 points (179-52). Think about the significance of that for a second. Without the Aldridge advantage, the rest of Houston's roster outscored the rest of our roster by 129 points - that's a difference of over 21 points per game. Again, I can't think of another power forward that would have dominated the Rockets the way Aldridge did. And, without that dominance, the Blazers get swept.

We're very lucky to have a player that can dominate a playoff series like that. There aren't many guys out that that can do that, and we have one that many posters want to piss away on an unproven draft pick that would set this team back at least 4 years, likely more as other players get tired of losing and leave for greener pastures.

Yeah, it was only one series, but it was the first playoff series the Blazers have won in 14 years. I know others here disagree, but I'd like a little more of that winning before we immediately go back to losing. If we trade Aldridge for a draft pick and sign any other free agent to take his place, we will not make the playoffs in the West next year. The West is very competitive and other teams are looking to get better, not worse.

I absolutely abhor this lose now attitude. Losing now doesn't guarantee you'll ever get better, all it guarantees is you'll lose more in the immediate future. I'm personally tired of losing and being in the lottery. I'm thrilled to death that we won 54 games (only 4 teams won more) and advanced to the second round. Aldridge is only 29 and in his prime. Lilliard, Batum and Matthews are either in their primes or will be soon. The majority of our bench is young with room for improvement (or replacement). Rather than blow up the best team we've had in 14 years, why not try to let these guys continue to grow together and add some key bench pieces? Blowing things up and starting over sounds good in theory, but rarely works in practice.

BNM
 
I can't believe how much some people in this forum undervalue LaMarcus Aldridge.

First yes, his performance in Games 1 and 2 were of historical greatness. Think about that again before you dismiss it. Look at the VERY select list of people who have, in the entire history of the NBA, put up similar performances. That he is capable of such performances, in consecutive playoff games, makes him an elite player capable of carrying his team to victory in the post season. There aren't a lot of guys out there that can do that. We're lucky, we have one of those guys and not only CAN he do it, he DID it.

Of course his production went down after those first two games. His dominance in Games 1 and 2 forced Houston to completely change their game plan to try to slow him down. They were forced to replace Terence Jones and start Omar Asik in his place. In a very high scoring series, this forced Houston to play 4 on 5 on offense for the final four games of the series. Think about that. How many players are there in this league that will force an opponent to completely alter their game plan to try to stop them? Not a lot. We're lucky, we have one of them.

And, Houston's focus on stopping Aldridge also created easy scoring opportunities for his teammates. In addition to starting Asik in place of Jones, Houston started doubling Aldridge more, which led to more open looks for Batum, Matthews and Lillard. All of those guys saw their scoring go up, especially Batum and Matthews as Houston focused more on stopping Aldridge.

And, when Asik was in foul trouble and they were forced to play Terence Jones, McHale didn't want him anywhere near Aldridge. He was forced to put Dwight Howard on Aldridge, which drew Howard out of the paint and left Houston without anyone protecting the paint. This allowed Lillard to drive the lane without resistance and also created many easy baskets for Robin Lopez.

In spite of Houston completely changing their game plan to try to stop Aldridge, they failed. Sure, his scoring was no longer of historical greatness, but one thing didn't change. In every game the Blazer won in the Houston series, LaMarcus was the team's leading scorer. That's right, not only would we have not won Games 1 and 2 without Aldridge, we also would not have won Game 4 (29 points, 10 rebounds) and Game 6 (30 points, 13 rebounds). It is obvious to anyone, that we would not have won that series without Aldridge. In fact, I honestly believe if you replace Aldridge with any other power forward in the worold, Houston sweeps the Blazers in that series.

In the closest playoff series I can remember in my long lifetime of following the NBA, Aldridge completely dominated his opponents. For the entire six game series, Houston outscored the Blazers by 2 points (672-670), but Aldridge outscored his counterparts by 127 points (179-52). Think about the significance of that for a second. Without the Aldridge advantage, the rest of Houston's roster outscored the rest of our roster by 129 points - that's a difference of over 21 points per game. Again, I can't think of another power forward that would have dominated the Rockets the way Aldridge did. And, without that dominance, the Blazers get swept.

We're very lucky to have a player that can dominate a playoff series like that. There aren't many guys out that that can do that, and we have one that many posters want to piss away on an unproven draft pick that would set this team back at least 4 years, likely more as other players get tired of losing and leave for greener pastures.

Yeah, it was only one series, but it was the first playoff series the Blazers have won in 14 years. I know others here disagree, but I'd like a little more of that winning before we immediately go back to losing. If we trade Aldridge for a draft pick and sign any other free agent to take his place, we will not make the playoffs in the West next year. The West is very competitive and other teams are looking to get better, not worse.

I absolutely abhor this lose now attitude. Losing now doesn't guarantee you'll ever get better, all it guarantees is you'll lose more in the immediate future. I'm personally tired of losing and being in the lottery. I'm thrilled to death that we won 54 games (only 4 teams won more) and advanced to the second round. Aldridge is only 29 and in his prime. Lilliard, Batum and Matthews are either in their primes or will be soon. The majority of our bench is young with room for improvement (or replacement). Rather than blow up the best team we've had in 14 years, why not try to let these guys continue to grow together and add some key bench pieces? Blowing things up and starting over sounds good in theory, but rarely works in practice.

BNM
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