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Saw the midnight show, and I wasn't disappointed.

Anyone else see it, or going to see it?
 
Hopefully this weekend. I've been avoiding commercials, trailers, and other people for a while now in anticipation.
 
I don't want to go alone nor do I want to bring a date to the movie, so I'll see if one of my friends is available.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Chutney @ Jul 18 2008, 03:06 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Hopefully this weekend. I've been avoiding commercials, trailers, and other people for a while now in anticipation.</div>

Or people? LOL

-Petey
 
Best superhero/action movie I have ever seen. Marvel has ALOT of work to do to catch up.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (The Return of the Raider @ Jul 19 2008, 05:33 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Great movie. Only bad part was the lady who brought her infant child to the movie and it kept crying. I changed seats.</div>
That's exactly why I'm waiting until a weekday to watch this movie. Packed theatres always ruin movies for me.
 
I saw this movie last night and omg, i mean i could just imagine the other super hero's in the world watching this and thinking we don't got crap over batman.
 
i have seen it 3 times over the weekend and once on imax... it was amazing... christian bale did an amazing job again as the dark knight and heath ledger performance as joker... was simply amazing... i wana see it again... just once more! definately a blu ray collector item
 
As I said, I left the theatre Friday not knowing what to think. It really wasn't until yesterday that the subtlety and brillance begin to sink in. Now, I know I'll have to see it several more times to fully appreciate it.

Iron Man was great movie and nothing to be ashamed of but it was a typical superhero movie.

Note to Sam Raimi, Stan Lee, Marvel, Universal Pictures; Don't even attempt to make a 4th Spiderman. #3 was the worst superhero movie ever (worse than Hulk 2003) and was more like a teen drama I see on the WB when channel surfing.
 
Do we all agree that Heath Ledger was amazing.
To me he made it seem like the Joker was a live person. A live, brilliant person.
 
Just got back from watching it. Here are some thoughts (don't know how to spoiler block them, so I'll type them white):
<span style="color:#FFFACD">
Batman makes a big deal about how people are good because they don't blow each other up, and that the Joker is alone. My take on it is that most people would have blown up the other boat- before the Joker came along, traumatized the city and made it a community of people who had to watch out for each other. The Joker made them good. Another bit I found interesting is that the Joker knew who he was (even though nobody else did) through and through, whereas the Batman was completely confused, taking advice from mobsters and continually second-guessing himself to the point that he knocked himself out when he has the chance to take out the Joker (hadn't seen that one in his repertoire of moves before). The Joker's just on top of his game, and I loved his getting himself arrested on purpose. But it was interesting that his take on Batman is so off (he thinks Batman wants to be a cop). Lastly, I thought the movie relied too much on the comic book history to explain Two-Face. They certainly didn't show any kind of motivation for the downfall of Harvey Dent (and even when they hinted at it, where he was flipping the coin on the tied-up bad guy, they made sure to let us know that kid was never in any danger) and instead just excused themselves because we all know Harvey Dent becomes Two-Face.</span>
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (lukewarmplay @ Jul 22 2008, 01:43 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Just got back from watching it. Here are some thoughts (don't know how to spoiler block them, so I'll type them white):
<span style="color:#FFFACD">
Batman makes a big deal about how people are good because they don't blow each other up, and that the Joker is alone. My take on it is that most people would have blown up the other boat- before the Joker came along, traumatized the city and made it a community of people who had to watch out for each other. The Joker made them good. Another bit I found interesting is that the Joker knew who he was (even though nobody else did) through and through, whereas the Batman was completely confused, taking advice from mobsters and continually second-guessing himself to the point that he knocked himself out when he has the chance to take out the Joker (hadn't seen that one in his repertoire of moves before). The Joker's just on top of his game, and I loved his getting himself arrested on purpose. But it was interesting that his take on Batman is so off (he thinks Batman wants to be a cop). Lastly, I thought the movie relied too much on the comic book history to explain Two-Face. They certainly didn't show any kind of motivation for the downfall of Harvey Dent (and even when they hinted at it, where he was flipping the coin on the tied-up bad guy, they made sure to let us know that kid was never in any danger) and instead just excused themselves because we all know Harvey Dent becomes Two-Face.</span></div>

More spoilers in retort:

<span style='color:#000000;background:#000000'> Yes, I did not think the Two-Face mini-arch was that fluid or fleshed out, it kind of seemed smashed in there. I'd like to see a slower spiral downwards into insanity. I thought the last third of the movie was a bit too much, and that the convict boat should have definitely been blown up, regardless of the way the Joker brought together people in Gotham.</span>
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (huevonkiller @ Jul 22 2008, 02:47 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (lukewarmplay @ Jul 22 2008, 01:43 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Just got back from watching it. Here are some thoughts (don't know how to spoiler block them, so I'll type them white):
<span style="color:#fffacd">
Batman makes a big deal about how people are good because they don't blow each other up, and that the Joker is alone. My take on it is that most people would have blown up the other boat- before the Joker came along, traumatized the city and made it a community of people who had to watch out for each other. The Joker made them good. Another bit I found interesting is that the Joker knew who he was (even though nobody else did) through and through, whereas the Batman was completely confused, taking advice from mobsters and continually second-guessing himself to the point that he knocked himself out when he has the chance to take out the Joker (hadn't seen that one in his repertoire of moves before). The Joker's just on top of his game, and I loved his getting himself arrested on purpose. But it was interesting that his take on Batman is so off (he thinks Batman wants to be a cop). Lastly, I thought the movie relied too much on the comic book history to explain Two-Face. They certainly didn't show any kind of motivation for the downfall of Harvey Dent (and even when they hinted at it, where he was flipping the coin on the tied-up bad guy, they made sure to let us know that kid was never in any danger) and instead just excused themselves because we all know Harvey Dent becomes Two-Face.</span></div>

More spoilers in retort:

<span style='color:#000000;background:#000000'> Yes, I did not think the Two-Face mini-arch was that fluid or fleshed out, it kind of seemed smashed in there. I'd like to see a slower spiral downwards into insanity. I thought the last third of the movie was a bit too much, and that the convict boat should have definitely been blown up, regardless of the way the Joker brought together people in Gotham.</span>
</div>

Ohhh, that's how you do the spoiler blocking. Anyway, <span style='color:#000000;background:#000000'> why do you think the convict boat should have been blown up? To my way of thinking, which I admit isn't necessarily supported by the movie, the convicts should have blown the other boat up - they could have rushed the guards, who weren't that keen on stopping them anyway - but the other boat got lucky that the most charismatic convict who more or less led them turned out to have found god, or whatever. </span>
 
The <span style='color:#000000;background:#000000'>Two Face's rise and fall was done masterfully by Nolan, I didn't think it felt rushed at all. </span>
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Thoth @ Jul 21 2008, 09:51 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>As I said, I left the theatre Friday not knowing what to think. It really wasn't until yesterday that the subtlety and brillance begin to sink in. Now, I know I'll have to see it several more times to fully appreciate it.

Iron Man was great movie and nothing to be ashamed of but it was a typical superhero movie.

Note to Sam Raimi, Stan Lee, Marvel, Universal Pictures; Don't even attempt to make a 4th Spiderman. #3 was the worst superhero movie ever (worse than Hulk 2003) and was more like a teen drama I see on the WB when channel surfing.</div>

Frank Miller's influence is astounding. The impact on the public is felt.
 
Spoiler Alert:

<span style='color:#000000;background:#000000'>SNAPE KILLS DUMBLEDORE</span>

Sorry...I couldn't resist.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (lukewarmplay @ Jul 22 2008, 02:10 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (huevonkiller @ Jul 22 2008, 02:47 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (lukewarmplay @ Jul 22 2008, 01:43 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Just got back from watching it. Here are some thoughts (don't know how to spoiler block them, so I'll type them white):
<span style="color:#fffacd">
Batman makes a big deal about how people are good because they don't blow each other up, and that the Joker is alone. My take on it is that most people would have blown up the other boat- before the Joker came along, traumatized the city and made it a community of people who had to watch out for each other. The Joker made them good. Another bit I found interesting is that the Joker knew who he was (even though nobody else did) through and through, whereas the Batman was completely confused, taking advice from mobsters and continually second-guessing himself to the point that he knocked himself out when he has the chance to take out the Joker (hadn't seen that one in his repertoire of moves before). The Joker's just on top of his game, and I loved his getting himself arrested on purpose. But it was interesting that his take on Batman is so off (he thinks Batman wants to be a cop). Lastly, I thought the movie relied too much on the comic book history to explain Two-Face. They certainly didn't show any kind of motivation for the downfall of Harvey Dent (and even when they hinted at it, where he was flipping the coin on the tied-up bad guy, they made sure to let us know that kid was never in any danger) and instead just excused themselves because we all know Harvey Dent becomes Two-Face.</span></div>

More spoilers in retort:

<span style='color:#000000;background:#000000'> Yes, I did not think the Two-Face mini-arch was that fluid or fleshed out, it kind of seemed smashed in there. I'd like to see a slower spiral downwards into insanity. I thought the last third of the movie was a bit too much, and that the convict boat should have definitely been blown up, regardless of the way the Joker brought together people in Gotham.</span>
</div>

Ohhh, that's how you do the spoiler blocking. Anyway, <span style='color:#000000;background:#000000'> why do you think the convict boat should have been blown up? To my way of thinking, which I admit isn't necessarily supported by the movie, the convicts should have blown the other boat up - they could have rushed the guards, who weren't that keen on stopping them anyway - but the other boat got lucky that the most charismatic convict who more or less led them turned out to have found god, or whatever. </span>
</div>

<span style='color:#000000;background:#000000'>Simple, the guards on the convict boat control the detonating-switch, they could have kept it from the convicts long enough for the civilians to blow them up. Are you telling me, that if you had a beautiful and charming wife, along with a kid, you're going to risk them getting blown up for a boat full of mostly murderers? How do you know the Joker won't blow up both of the boats anyway? He's a pretty dangerous guy, and it was quite lucky that Batman just stopped him at the last moment. The convicts should indeed have been blown the hell up, nothing personal. :] </span>

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Black Mamba @ Jul 22 2008, 02:28 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>The <span style='color:#000000;background:#000000'>Two Face's rise and fall was done masterfully by Nolan, I didn't think it felt rushed at all. </span></div>


<span style='color:#000000;background:#000000'>
Dent's position in the movie was fluid in the beginning, I'm just talking about his "fall".

To me it felt that Nolan wasn't such a great director towards the end. It felt like he was conscious of the already long film and needed to make some cuts. Also, I believe there was a plot hole when the Joker told Batman he could only "choose one". I don't understand why the Joker would offer himself to Two-Face like that in the hospital either, he is more than capable of creating more chaos. His speech about it "not being personal", and being Gordon's fault did not make much sense to me. Further, he also mentioned how much fun it was to screw around with Batman.

I would have liked to have seen abstract scenes of what Dent's mind was going through, you know, some real artsy kind of "sadistic, dream-like" scene. I'm just saying that could have been done better, and I didn't like the way the Joker was kind of forgotten towards the end. I've said this before, but I felt the last fight was a bit too short and not that melodramatic.

Regardless of what I say, I think it was a good film, I'm just judging it on "G.O.A.T." standards.</span>
 
I will say that although I think you guys are reading too much in to the cat reference, <span style='color:#000000;background:#000000'>I do think Rachel's death allows for the character in the third film, as it allows Nolan to explore Batman's love-loss</span>
 
By the way, did anything happen after/during the credits? I didn't have the time to sit through all those names.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (huevonkiller @ Jul 22 2008, 03:10 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>By the way, did anything happen after/during the credits? I didn't have the time to sit through all those names.</div>

haha I wanted to wait til the end too, but after that 3 hour movie nothing was stopping me from going to take a leak.
 
Nope, nothing at the end of the credits. I stayed specifically because of Iron Man.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (huevonkiller @ Jul 22 2008, 02:44 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (lukewarmplay @ Jul 22 2008, 02:10 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (huevonkiller @ Jul 22 2008, 02:47 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (lukewarmplay @ Jul 22 2008, 01:43 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Just got back from watching it. Here are some thoughts (don't know how to spoiler block them, so I'll type them white):
<span style="color:#fffacd">
Batman makes a big deal about how people are good because they don't blow each other up, and that the Joker is alone. My take on it is that most people would have blown up the other boat- before the Joker came along, traumatized the city and made it a community of people who had to watch out for each other. The Joker made them good. Another bit I found interesting is that the Joker knew who he was (even though nobody else did) through and through, whereas the Batman was completely confused, taking advice from mobsters and continually second-guessing himself to the point that he knocked himself out when he has the chance to take out the Joker (hadn't seen that one in his repertoire of moves before). The Joker's just on top of his game, and I loved his getting himself arrested on purpose. But it was interesting that his take on Batman is so off (he thinks Batman wants to be a cop). Lastly, I thought the movie relied too much on the comic book history to explain Two-Face. They certainly didn't show any kind of motivation for the downfall of Harvey Dent (and even when they hinted at it, where he was flipping the coin on the tied-up bad guy, they made sure to let us know that kid was never in any danger) and instead just excused themselves because we all know Harvey Dent becomes Two-Face.</span></div>

More spoilers in retort:

<span style='color:#000000;background:#000000'> Yes, I did not think the Two-Face mini-arch was that fluid or fleshed out, it kind of seemed smashed in there. I'd like to see a slower spiral downwards into insanity. I thought the last third of the movie was a bit too much, and that the convict boat should have definitely been blown up, regardless of the way the Joker brought together people in Gotham.</span>
</div>

Ohhh, that's how you do the spoiler blocking. Anyway, <span style='color:#000000;background:#000000'> why do you think the convict boat should have been blown up? To my way of thinking, which I admit isn't necessarily supported by the movie, the convicts should have blown the other boat up - they could have rushed the guards, who weren't that keen on stopping them anyway - but the other boat got lucky that the most charismatic convict who more or less led them turned out to have found god, or whatever. </span>
</div>

<span style='color:#000000;background:#000000'>Simple, the guards on the convict boat control the detonating-switch, they could have kept it from the convicts long enough for the civilians to blow them up. Are you telling me, that if you had a beautiful and charming wife, along with a kid, you're going to risk them getting blown up for a boat full of mostly murderers? How do you know the Joker won't blow up both of the boats anyway? He's a pretty dangerous guy, and it was quite lucky that Batman just stopped him at the last moment. The convicts should indeed have been blown the hell up, nothing personal. :] </span>

</div>



<span style='color:#000000;background:#000000'> that's, i think, my point. you and i would have easily taken the thing and blown up the other boat, guards and all (although i would have voted no so as to falsely appease my conscience confident that the yeses would win). but these people, after all the joker's done and all the death and destruction, didn't. maybe they'd seen too much of it already. something went through that guy's mind to change it, because when he stood up he was just like us. </span>
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (lukewarmplay @ Jul 22 2008, 04:29 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (huevonkiller @ Jul 22 2008, 02:44 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (lukewarmplay @ Jul 22 2008, 02:10 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (huevonkiller @ Jul 22 2008, 02:47 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (lukewarmplay @ Jul 22 2008, 01:43 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Just got back from watching it. Here are some thoughts (don't know how to spoiler block them, so I'll type them white):
<span style="color:#fffacd">
Batman makes a big deal about how people are good because they don't blow each other up, and that the Joker is alone. My take on it is that most people would have blown up the other boat- before the Joker came along, traumatized the city and made it a community of people who had to watch out for each other. The Joker made them good. Another bit I found interesting is that the Joker knew who he was (even though nobody else did) through and through, whereas the Batman was completely confused, taking advice from mobsters and continually second-guessing himself to the point that he knocked himself out when he has the chance to take out the Joker (hadn't seen that one in his repertoire of moves before). The Joker's just on top of his game, and I loved his getting himself arrested on purpose. But it was interesting that his take on Batman is so off (he thinks Batman wants to be a cop). Lastly, I thought the movie relied too much on the comic book history to explain Two-Face. They certainly didn't show any kind of motivation for the downfall of Harvey Dent (and even when they hinted at it, where he was flipping the coin on the tied-up bad guy, they made sure to let us know that kid was never in any danger) and instead just excused themselves because we all know Harvey Dent becomes Two-Face.</span></div>

More spoilers in retort:

<span style='color:#000000;background:#000000'> Yes, I did not think the Two-Face mini-arch was that fluid or fleshed out, it kind of seemed smashed in there. I'd like to see a slower spiral downwards into insanity. I thought the last third of the movie was a bit too much, and that the convict boat should have definitely been blown up, regardless of the way the Joker brought together people in Gotham.</span>
</div>

Ohhh, that's how you do the spoiler blocking. Anyway, <span style='color:#000000;background:#000000'> why do you think the convict boat should have been blown up? To my way of thinking, which I admit isn't necessarily supported by the movie, the convicts should have blown the other boat up - they could have rushed the guards, who weren't that keen on stopping them anyway - but the other boat got lucky that the most charismatic convict who more or less led them turned out to have found god, or whatever. </span>
</div>

<span style='color:#000000;background:#000000'>Simple, the guards on the convict boat control the detonating-switch, they could have kept it from the convicts long enough for the civilians to blow them up. Are you telling me, that if you had a beautiful and charming wife, along with a kid, you're going to risk them getting blown up for a boat full of mostly murderers? How do you know the Joker won't blow up both of the boats anyway? He's a pretty dangerous guy, and it was quite lucky that Batman just stopped him at the last moment. The convicts should indeed have been blown the hell up, nothing personal. :] </span>

</div>



<span style='color:#000000;background:#000000'> that's, i think, my point. you and i would have easily taken the thing and blown up the other boat, guards and all (although i would have voted no so as to falsely appease my conscience confident that the yeses would win). but these people, after all the joker's done and all the death and destruction, didn't. maybe they'd seen too much of it already. something went through that guy's mind to change it, because when he stood up he was just like us. </span>
</div>

<span style='color:#000000;background:#000000'>I think making sure your family continues to live over scum is priority #1, whether one is tired of the Joker or not. I'm sure there would be people who vote "no", but that would be a minority. What happened was too serendipitous.</span>
 
<span style="color:#FFFFFF">I guess I would be part of the minority then, since I'm not one who believes that I should kill others in order to live on. And if i were on the citizen boat, I would vote "no" not only because of that but also of the possibility that the Joker was lying and that the device might set off the bomb on the ship I am on. What happened with the ships may have been unrealistic but I for one am glad that neither one got blown up. Hell, one of those ships may have been full of criminals but they are still human beings goddamnit
And i think the fall of Dent seems pretty logical if you think about it. When he figured out Rachel was the next target he fumed with rage and was about to kill a man. More or less, he felt he could not live on without her. And then when she died, it was no surprise that he was so angry he could be manipulated. The Joker just gave him that extra push. The Joker was able to convince Dent that the cops and Batman would put looking for Gotham's "white knight" before some lawyer he loved. Got to remember that Dent never knew the full situation and the fact that Batman was looking for Rachel first, not him. The Joker was able to figure out that Batman had some affection for Rachel and assumed he would look for her(this was pretty much confirmed during the interrogation scene). With that information, he was able to lead Batman in the wrong direction.</span>
 
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