The Democrats' latest stimulus idea: More unemployment checks!

[EL PRESIDENTE]

http://indyposted.com/30369/unemplo...-and-other-wisdom-from-nancy-pelosi-5-videos/

According to Breitbart News, Nancy Pelosi has said that unemployment checks are the best way to create jobs. There are good reasons to give out unemployment checks. No one wants to be on unemployment, which is usually half of one’s gross average pay. The last time I checked, encouraging employers to hire workers and to create new jobs is a far better solution to unemployment than passing out unemployment checks.

Pelosi’s world is an interesting place. According to her, every month that Congress fails to pass a recovery package, 500 million Americans lose their jobs. At the last count, America’s population is a little over 300 million.

Then there is Nancy Pelosi talking about her favorite word. What is her favorite word? Why it’s “the word”. Pelosi takes a minute and 19 seconds to explain it, She sounds like she grabbed the wrong brownies in some college dorm. No it was not a bong but a microphone in front of her when she gave that little talk.

How about her justification for passing health care? She said that we had to vote for the health care bill so we could find out what was in it. When I was in high school, someone told me to take some pills so I could find out what what they were. I passed up that offer. I don’t know if Pelosi would have.

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

[video=youtube;WUAG3Fqz56s]

 

[BLAZER PROPHET]

If I hadn't seen the video, I would never had believed it. Never.

She needs to be put out to pasture.

 

[Shooter]

She's either lying, or she's stark raving mad. I know plenty of people (and I'll bet you do, too) who would rather get a check from the government every month than go out and get a job. How politicians can say these things with a straight face is amazing.

 

[barfo]

Shooter, she didn't say there weren't such people. She said that they weren't the only people on unemployment. Surely you agree with her on that? Or do you believe everyone drawing unemployment is shirking work?

barfo

 

[Ed O]

Shooter, she didn't say there weren't such people. She said that they weren't the only people on unemployment. Surely you agree with her on that? Or do you believe everyone drawing unemployment is shirking work?

Why should anyone respond to her straw man?

She said that families need unemployment to survive. That is simply not the case. SOME families might need additional income to survive, but they don't merely need unemployment and it's certainly not the case that EVERY family needs unemployment to survive.

Ed O.

 

[barfo]

Why should anyone respond to her straw man?

Ed O.

I guess you should ask El Presidente, BP, and Shooter why they responded.

barfo

 

[GOBlazersGOBeavers]

Some families right now have no way of getting income. Yes, some people cannot get jobs to pay their bills (did you hear? There's a recession!). How do they not need unemployment to survive?

 

[Ed O]

I guess you should ask El Presidente, BP, and Shooter why they responded.

I don't think they were responding to her straw man at the end, where she claims that people opposed to extending benefits think that everyone on the dole is lazy/doesn't want to work. At 52 seconds.

There are a lot of HER opinions (not her representation of the opinions of opponents) to disagree with.

Ed O.

 

[barfo]

She said that families need unemployment to survive. That is simply not the case. SOME families might need additional income to survive, but they don't merely need unemployment and it's certainly not the case that EVERY family needs unemployment to survive.

Ed O.

I can't hear her saying that in the clip that El Pres. posted. Are you looking at another source, or am I missing it somehow?

barfo

 

[Ed O]

At the 25 second mark. The first of her two points.

Ed O.

 

[barfo]

At the 25 second mark. The first of her two points.

Ed O.

Ah. I think it is pretty clear from context that she is not saying every family needs unemployment to survive. If I say that basketball players will sign free agent contracts starting July 8, do I mean that all basketball players, worldwide, regardless of age and ability will sign free agent contracts?

barfo

 

[Ed O]

Ah. I think it is pretty clear from context that she is not saying every family needs unemployment to survive. If I say that basketball players will sign free agent contracts starting July 8, do I mean that all basketball players, worldwide, regardless of age and ability will sign free agent contracts?

Which families on unemployment need it to survive? The ones with lots of money in the bank? The ones with another source of income?

She's purposefully being vague to fear-monger her way to more governmental spending.

I have a friend who hasn't worked for a year. He has a condo and doesn't need the money to survive.

I quit my job and was out of work for more than six months and somehow survived without unemployment, let alone extended unemployment benefits.

Is "surviving" maintaining cable and the internet to the house they have a mortgage on?

I think that she's right in the sense that it CAN create jobs, but it creates jobs the way sugar feeds someone. It's systematically broken. The time to extend unemployment benefits is, IMO, when the country can afford it... not when we have politicians making sweeping generalizations about what families need to survive.

Ed O.

 

[barfo]

Which families on unemployment need it to survive? The ones with lots of money in the bank? The ones with another source of income?

No, probably the ones without either of those things, don't you think?

She's purposefully being vague to fear-monger her way to more governmental spending.

It's a speech, not a legal contract. Unemployment isn't some strange new proposal, she doesn't need to go into great detail to explain it.

barfo

 

[Denny Crane]

Shooter, she didn't say there weren't such people. She said that they weren't the only people on unemployment. Surely you agree with her on that? Or do you believe everyone drawing unemployment is shirking work?

barfo

Shirking work, and using the free health care to pay for the medical marijuana.

 

[barfo]

Shirking work, and using the free health care to pay for the medical marijuana.

But some states don't have medical marijuana!

barfo

 

[Denny Crane]

But some states don't have medical marijuana!

barfo

Food stamps for the munchies.

 

[bluefrog]

Which families on unemployment need it to survive? The ones with lots of money in the bank? The ones with another source of income?

I went on unemployment last May. My family wouldn't have perished if we didn't have that money but it helped us make ends meet. My wife was having complications with her pregnancy and the bills were really digging into our savings. We had health care through COBRA but it didn't cover a lot of the visits and my wife is not eligible for Medicaid because she is an permanent resident.

 

[ucatchtrout]

Fuck it. Extend the benefits and while they are at it up the ante into the food stamp program as well. If we can spend zillions on military crap the least we can do is throw a few bones to people who got screwed when the economy went in the dumper.

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

just make sure you can use the food stamps at the strip club and casinos like you can in Cal-li-fornia!

 

[bodyman5001]

She might be the most moronic woman politician I have ever been sickened to see on video. Sarah Palin might be in there somewhere too. However, I am not opposed to spending what amounts to chump change on extending unemployment benefits as long as we quit wasting money on other crap. Like the walls they put around the freeway in Vegas with pretty painted landscapes on them.

I wish we could throw them all out and start over.

 

[chris_in_pdx]

It must be nice to be a conservative on S2. Everything bad that happens to you (losing your job, not being able to afford health care, etc.) is your own fault, and if you were really in trouble, you'd just work harder and get 5 full-time jobs (that is, if you can find them) to pay all your bills, provide food and a roof for your family, and put money in savings. You are just a slacker if you get into any financial problems, because EVERYONE should have enough money to handle any emergency. Oh well, thank god for economic darwanism! Better that the "lower class" just die off from poor nutrition or lack of medical care.

How do these beliefs let you sleep at night?

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

not against unemployment benefits at all. they are important in this poor economy. I support them versus some of the stupid bailouts and car rebate programs...so compared to those, I guess they are a stimulus plan!

 

[maxiep]

It must be nice to be a conservative on S2. Everything bad that happens to you (losing your job, not being able to afford health care, etc.) is your own fault, and if you were really in trouble, you'd just work harder and get 5 full-time jobs (that is, if you can find them) to pay all your bills, provide food and a roof for your family, and put money in savings. You are just a slacker if you get into any financial problems, because EVERYONE should have enough money to handle any emergency. Oh well, thank god for economic darwanism! Better that the "lower class" just die off from poor nutrition or lack of medical care.

How do these beliefs let you sleep at night?

I prefer to rely on myself rather than looking to a nanny state.

 

[maxiep]

It must be nice to be a conservative on S2. Everything bad that happens to you (losing your job, not being able to afford health care, etc.) is your own fault, and if you were really in trouble, you'd just work harder and get 5 full-time jobs (that is, if you can find them) to pay all your bills, provide food and a roof for your family, and put money in savings. You are just a slacker if you get into any financial problems, because EVERYONE should have enough money to handle any emergency. Oh well, thank god for economic darwanism! Better that the "lower class" just die off from poor nutrition or lack of medical care.

How do these beliefs let you sleep at night?

BTW, I sleep at night by helping people directly and giving to worthy charities rather than being forced to give up my hard-earned money to a bureaucracy that wastes my money like Pacman Jones at a strip club.

 

[MikeDC]

It must be nice to be a conservative on S2. Everything bad that happens to you (losing your job, not being able to afford health care, etc.) is your own fault, and if you were really in trouble, you'd just work harder and get 5 full-time jobs (that is, if you can find them) to pay all your bills, provide food and a roof for your family, and put money in savings. You are just a slacker if you get into any financial problems, because EVERYONE should have enough money to handle any emergency. Oh well, thank god for economic darwanism! Better that the "lower class" just die off from poor nutrition or lack of medical care.

How do these beliefs let you sleep at night?

I suppose if I held them, it would be nice to, and to sleep well at night, but those are only chris_in_pdx's beliefs of what conservatives on S2 think

 

[Denny Crane]

We went through a pretty bad recession during the end of Clinton's presidency. Millions of jobs were lost rather quickly when the dot bomb bubble burst, and those were a lot of high tech / professional career type jobs. Real estate tanked, but people were able to hang on. Without the disincentive to work that never ending unemployment benefits represent, people formed new businesses in their garages (Google being the most prominent one), and those businesses were the old fashioned kind - make money or fail.

I don't see anyone complaining about there being a safety net, such as chris_in_pdx's suggested emergencies that arise.

For the most part, I think people do want quality jobs instead of unemployment.