OT The fall of those you used to respect

[bodyman5000 and 1]

Louie is different IMHO.

He'd have to get off on women's repulsed faces.

That's all you'd get from beating off in front of "captors".

I figured someone caught him when he was a kid and it became his thing somehow.

 

[dviss1]

The one that disappointed me was Kevin Spacey. Love his work. Very talented actor.

FUCKED my whole House Of Cards show OFF!

I LOVED that show...

 

[dviss1]

Louie had a long standing joke about being the world's most talented masturbator and a joke about how much he loved NYC jewish girls because they'd just give him a quick handjob as if it was no big deal....he said these two jokes for years in his act...that he actually turned out to BE the joke is not that surprising to me and I love the guy's standup show...Louie was the first accused by metoo to actually admit it, apologize and not hide from getting caught. That much I respected..pretty much cost him a career he spent decades building.

He's one who may get some redemption. I don't think we've seen the last of Louie.

 

[Fez Hammersticks]

@magnifier661

 

[SlyPokerDog]

The one that disappointed me was Kevin Spacey. Love his work. Very talented actor.

I remember first noticing him as the bad guy on a TV show called Wiseguy.

Mel Profitt.

 

[bodyman5000 and 1]

He's one who may get some redemption. I don't think we've seen the last of Louie.

I heard his recent comedy appearance on youtube before it was taken down. It was hilarious.

He's a comedian not a judge or priest. The world needs all the laughter it can get.

 

[dviss1]

I heard his recent comedy appearance on youtube before it was taken down. It was hilarious.

He's a comedian not a judge or priest. The world needs all the laughter it can get.

Well, no one should do what he did and yeah, you should get in trouble for it.

Register as a sex offender trouble tho?

I don't think so...

 

[Hoopguru]

Lost all respect for Neil Goldsmidt. To bad he didn't spend many years in jail!

 

[dviss1]

Morgan Freeman and NDT are a close second to Further.

Nothing has come of either of these accusations.

 

[BLAZINGGIANTS]

Nothing has come of either of these accusations.

Yes? And?

The original post referred to “allegations” and “accusations”. That’s all I’m talking about. I didn’t move them beyond accusations or allegations. The question asked who we were surprised about. I’m surprised by the allegations or accusations of these two men. I didn’t say I believed them (that’s not my place to make that call). I consider them otherwise quality human beings, and for many reasons, I am surprised of the accusations.

 

[dviss1]

Yes? And?

The original post referred to “allegations” and “accusations”. That’s all I’m talking about. I didn’t move them beyond accusations or allegations. The question asked who we were surprised about. I’m surprised by the allegations or accusations of these two men. I didn’t say I believed them (that’s not my place to make that call). I consider them otherwise quality human beings, and for many reasons, I am surprised of the accusations.

Sure.

But the title of the thread mentions "The Fall" of those people.

They haven't fallen.

Neither has Bill Clinton.

 

[jonnyboy]

@magnifier661

What’d I do?

 

[BLAZINGGIANTS]

Sure.

But the title of the thread mentions "The Fall" of those people.

They haven't fallen.

Neither has Bill Clinton.

I wasn’t responding to the title.

I was responding to the meat (aka post).

I get that it was the first post in the thread I was responding to, so it’s more closely tied to the title, but if I responded in every thread based on title, my posts would make absolutely no sense (given that most threads turn into discussion about something other than the title).

But long story short.... I simply answered the question that ended his posted. Question asked, question answered. I’d like to apologize to you for something, but I’m not clear what I should be apologizing for.

 

[crandc]

Neil de Grasse Tyson

 

[Lanny]

Yes? And?

The original post referred to “allegations” and “accusations”. That’s all I’m talking about. I didn’t move them beyond accusations or allegations. The question asked who we were surprised about. I’m surprised by the allegations or accusations of these two men. I didn’t say I believed them (that’s not my place to make that call). I consider them otherwise quality human beings, and for many reasons, I am surprised of the accusations.

It's everybody's right to have an opinion on anything. Therefor, anyone can have an opinion on the guilt or innocence of whoever they want.

 

[BLAZINGGIANTS]

It's everybody's right to have an opinion on anything. Therefor, anyone can have an opinion on the guilt or innocence of whoever they want.

Yes. You can have an opinion or you can choose not to.

Based on my perception of the two individuals I mention, I am surprised. It sounds out of character. That being said, I’ve done things out of character for me that would surprise people. So I’m not going to minimize the accusations. I also choose to not rush to conclusions. I simply choose to make no judgments and not hold them against anyone without any sort of evidence.

I’m sorry you think I should have an opinion. That’s a big problem today with the internet and bullying - folks rushing to conclusions.

 

[stampedehero]

I don't.

In Bill Clinton's case, I was somewhat embarrassed by what turn up on him, as it came out. I voted for him and events made me regret it.
But what was worse, all the Islamic terrorist stuff that was going down and not much was being done about it since the President was under the microscope the whole time. It became very apparent to me why the Constitution has it that we do not put President on trial while in office. We need the Chief executive to
give full attention to business while he holds the post. Not waste time and energy on defending himself against the pettiness of the opposition.

Note: Trump should not torment the American public with his immature jealousy of a deceased and true American hero, John McCain. He cares more about his ego than his work as an American President..

 

[Lanny]

Yes. You can have an opinion or you can choose not to.

Based on my perception of the two individuals I mention, I am surprised. It sounds out of character. That being said, I’ve done things out of character for me that would surprise people. So I’m not going to minimize the accusations. I also choose to not rush to conclusions. I simply choose to make no judgments and not hold them against anyone without any sort of evidence.

I’m sorry you think I should have an opinion. That’s a big problem today with the internet and bullying - folks rushing to conclusions.

Rushing to a conclusion is not the same thing as having an opinion.

 

[BLAZINGGIANTS]

Rushing to a conclusion is not the same thing as having an opinion.

In this case, it pretty much is.

 

[dviss1]

Note: Trump should not torment the American public with his immature jealousy of a deceased and true American hero, John McCain. He cares more about his ego than his work as an American President..

Our president has Narcissistic Personality Disorder.

And he's pissed because John McCain handed over the Steele Dossier.

He's mad because we all know about the pee tapes and other countries are making fun of him because of it.



He can't take it. He doesn't have the temperament to be president.

They called Obama N to his face.... No anger...

 

[stampedehero]

Our president has Narcissistic Personality Disorder.

And he's pissed because John McCain handed over the Steele Dossier.

He's mad because we all know about the pee tapes and other countries are making fun of him because of it.



He can't take it. He doesn't have the temperament to be president.

They called Obama N to his face.... No anger...

There should be a standardized personality test for all candidates. If this was the case, he wouldn't hold the merits to be a President and certainly not a diplomatic so called" leader." The difference is that Obama had and will always have Class.

 

[MarAzul]

Note: Trump should not torment the American public with his immature jealousy of a deceased and true American hero, John McCain. He cares more about his ego than his work as an American President..

The difference is that Obama had and will always have Class.

Perhaps you can explain hero to me as how Hero applies to McCain. I never did get it, nor did I ever find him to be a Republican representative.

But then if you think Obama had class, perhaps we just have a different scale of values.

Obama caused millions of American retired people and their dependents to loose their health insurance. He did this under the guise of raising taxes
so it might pass constitutional muster. Taxing former employers if they continued to provide the healthcare coverage had no chance of raising any serious revenue,
but it did give the employers a legal option, ceasing to provide to healthcare to avoiding the new tax. Thus a new market for the insurance companies even though
it screwed these million of people out of the compensation they had already earned but were still due.

Then to stand before congress, and declare one more time, If you like your Health insurance, you can keep your health insurance! This while many of the people,
me and my wife included, had already been informed that our insurance coverage would cease as per the Obama plan.

This is not class.

No American President has ever done an equally egregious act to any group of Americans during my life time. Perhaps I should say, adult life time. Another Democrat President, Franklin Roosevelt's internment of Japanese Americans was indeed egregious, but not nearly as many were involved.

 

[dviss1]

Perhaps you can explain hero to me as how Hero applies to McCain. I never did get it, nor did I every find him to be a Republican representative.

But then if you think Obama had class, perhaps we just have a different scale of values.

Obama caused millions of American retired people and their dependents to loose their health insurance. He did this under the guise of raising taxes
so it might pass constitutional muster. Taxing former employers if they continued to provide the healthcare coverage had no chance of raising any serious revenue,
but it did give the employers a legal option, ceasing to provide to healthcare to avoiding the new tax. Thus a new market for the insurance companies even though
it screwed these million of people out of the compensation they had already earned but were still due.

Then to stand before congress, and declare one more time, If you like your Health insurance, you can keep your health insurance! This while many of the people,
me and my wife included, had already been informed that our insurance coverage would cease as per the Obama plan.

This is not class.

No American President has ever done an equally egregious act to any group of Americans during my life time. Perhaps I should say, adult life time. Another Democrat President, Franklin Roosevelt's internment of Japanese Americans was indeed egregious, but not nearly as many were involved.

What a crock of SHIT this is.

 

[dviss1]

Perhaps I should say, adult life time. Another Democrat President, Franklin Roosevelt's internment of Japanese Americans was indeed egregious, but not nearly as many were involved.

So you supported reparations for those internment camp refugees?

 

[MarAzul]

reparations for those internment camp refugees

There was a fellow who worked with me at the Santa Terse Lab. As I understand it, his parents had owned and operated an Orchard in the area between Hamilton and Cupertino CA, not far from Blossom Hill Blvd when they were rounded up, including him and his sister and interned.
I was still working there when he and his sister received, $20,000 apiece I think it was. He was rather stoic about it.

I had mixed feelings about the gesture, it was a pitiful sum for the 100 plus acres in that area. While they were interned, the county sold the property for taxes but I don't think the payment was to cover these losses. Then again, I don't know what the hell it did cover.

 

[Propagandist]

Most surprising? Dustin Hoffman. Or maybe the Asia Argento and statutory rape after all the activism she was involved in.

Weirdest response to allegations will always go to Kevin Spacey though? "I must've been real drunk to try and fuck a 14 year old."

 

[Propagandist]

Lost all respect for Neil Goldsmidt. To bad he didn't spend many years in jail!

Omg I know so many gross stories about Neil. Dude is a degenerate.

 

[Lanny]

In this case, it pretty much is.

No, it's like saying Ford is a car and there goes a car so it must be a Ford.
There are conclusions that are rushed at and there are conclusions that are not rushed at.

 

[Natebishop3]

I still think Louie got a raw deal. He was one of the early #metoo casualties and I don't think it was 100% fair.

some chick tried to fuck over Aziz Ansari as well.

The thing that pisses me off is that there doesn't need to be any evidence. It's just the word of one person and it can ruin a career. Doesn't need to be any kind of criminal charges. Just one person saying, "hey this person is a creep" and that's all she wrote. Game over.

 

[stampedehero]

Perhaps you can explain hero to me as how Hero applies to McCain. I never did get it, nor did I ever find him to be a Republican representative.

But then if you think Obama had class, perhaps we just have a different scale of values.

Obama caused millions of American retired people and their dependents to loose their health insurance. He did this under the guise of raising taxes
so it might pass constitutional muster. Taxing former employers if they continued to provide the healthcare coverage had no chance of raising any serious revenue,
but it did give the employers a legal option, ceasing to provide to healthcare to avoiding the new tax. Thus a new market for the insurance companies even though
it screwed these million of people out of the compensation they had already earned but were still due.

Then to stand before congress, and declare one more time, If you like your Health insurance, you can keep your health insurance! This while many of the people,
me and my wife included, had already been informed that our insurance coverage would cease as per the Obama plan.

This is not class.

No American President has ever done an equally egregious act to any group of Americans during my life time. Perhaps I should say, adult life time. Another Democrat President, Franklin Roosevelt's internment of Japanese Americans was indeed egregious, but not nearly as many were involved.

Sen. McCain served his country as a highly skilled fighter pilot but being a POW is NOT a dishonor as Trump alludes to. He, along with others, were subjected to cruel punishment in a completely different culture (that despised American intervention) and then treated as an isolated and deprived dog for years. He survived. That is a hero to me.
I really liked Obama because he represented the office as a level headed leader. I see none of that in Trump. In Trump, I see an overzealous narcissist who acts like Mussolini.
Eight years of Bush illustrated he was a Chaney puppet and an obvious novice at diplomatic skill. As a Presidential candidate, Mr. Obama was a relief for the American people. After he was elected, he was exposed to the shit storm this country operates in. You could see his shock after he took residence in the White House. The dirty secrets were revealed to him. I think the healthcare issue was FUBAR and that facet of Obama's administration would be a stain. I had no problems with heath coverage but I certainly respect your experience and views. We do have different opinions and I respect yours.