The Final Word On Obama's Birth Certificate

[BLAZER PROPHET]

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-m...8/politifacts-guide-obamas-birth-certificate/

A live birth certificate was presented by Hawaii.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

Noooooooooooooooooooo!!!!

 

[agoo]

But Donald Trump's investigators are making some shocking discoveries!

:MARIS61:

 

[BLAZER PROPHET]

Sorry, guys, but Obama is legit. However, I did find great amusement at the issue.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

Sorry, guys, but Obama is legit. However, I did find great amusement at the issue.

But how do we really know that the Obama on the birth certificate is actually the same one in the White House?

 

[barfo]

But how do we really know that the Obama on the birth certificate is actually the same one in the White House?

That's a good point. Maybe his parents traded him for a boy born in Kenya. The real Barack Obama is probably herding goats in Kenya right now, while the occupant of the White House is (are you ready for this?) not half-white after all!

barfo

 

[BrianFromWA]

I don't care one way or the other. I'd like to believe that whoever signed off on his candidacy 3 years ago wasn't totally corrupt. And it's not like if he WAS found to be Kenyan they'd revoke any policies, treaties or laws done on his watch.

That said, what took so long? I mean, you can't be a private in the army without a birth certificate.

 

[Minstrel]

That said, what took so long? I mean, you can't be a private in the army without a birth certificate.

Nothing took so long. He produced a certificate of live birth long ago, which is functionally equivalent. Only nutcases have been claiming that he's provided no proof of being born in the US.

I still look forward to the results of Trump's investigations. And I continue to hope he does well in the Republican primaries.

 

[BrianFromWA]

gotcha.

 

[jlprk]

A live birth certificate was presented by Hawaii.

But how do we really know that the Obama on the birth certificate is actually the same one in the White House?

I was thinking the opposite. Who is the Hawaii guy who says so, and how do we know he really works for the State of Hawaii? Maybe he represents the shadow government, not the official one. How do we know this is the real State of Hawaii talking?

 

[jlprk]

And once you prove that this guy really represents the real State government, which is going to be hard unless you fly there and check out that his office is in the Capitol building and his coworkers vouch for him that he really does show up for work there sometimes, the next question I have is how does the State government know it hasn't been fooled? Someone with Obama's presidential powers could easily slip a piece of paper into their archived file cabinets in a warehouse where they keep their dusty old stuff and the watchman sleeps through his shift. Has this supposed birth certificate been tested by archaeologists with some test like cobalt-235? Maybe this came from the Shroud of Turin. It's amazing that this was found in the same week Glen Beck was fired for saying a caliphate is going to take over part of Europe. Fox should check out the possible connection and I'm sure they will, thank goodness.

I have a lot more ideas but let's see what you guys do with the leads I provided first.

 

[BrianFromWA]

Cobalt-235 wouldn't be the best choice, since it would be carrying 173 more neutrons than the highest "stable" nuclide, and 160 more than is physically possible.

http://atom.kaeri.re.kr/ton/nuc5.html

 

[jlprk]

I synthesized uranium and cobalt on purpose. I amuse myself with little things like that. A wasted life.

 

[maxiep]

I bet it's not the final word.

 

[BlazerCaravan]

"Oh yeah? Prove it again! Bet you can't produce a second birth certificate!"

 

[maxiep]

"Oh yeah? Prove it again! Bet you can't produce a second birth certificate!"

The problem is that a Certificate of Live Birth isn't the same as a Long Form Birth Certificate, and that's what Donald Trump and his ilk are demanding to see.

 

[BrianFromWA]

someone please fill in the gaps in my knowledge.

What is the difference b/w the Long Form Certificate and the Certificate of Live Birth? Are you supposed to have both? If they're "functionally equivalent", then why are there two of them? Should I have a "Long Form" certificate AND a "Live Birth" certificate for my 1-y/o daughter? AFAIK, I just have a "birth certificate" with the county's stamp/seal on it for her. I know for a fact that all I have in the safe at home is one each of a birth certificate-type document for my wife and I.

And are the "birthers" attempting to say that the "certificate of live birth" is not as robust, or easier forged or something, than a "long form birth certificate"?

Again, someone signed off on his candidacy being legit, so I believe him if he says he was born here. I choose not to think that that someone was corrupt. I also know that the policies won't get rolled back if he is deemed to be Kenyan or whatever. But this issue confuses me.

 

[maxiep]

someone please fill in the gaps in my knowledge.

What is the difference b/w the Long Form Certificate and the Certificate of Live Birth? Are you supposed to have both? If they're "functionally equivalent", then why are there two of them? Should I have a "Long Form" certificate AND a "Live Birth" certificate for my 1-y/o daughter? AFAIK, I just have a "birth certificate" with the county's stamp/seal on it for her. I know for a fact that all I have in the safe at home is one each of a birth certificate-type document for my wife and I.

And are the "birthers" attempting to say that the "certificate of live birth" is not as robust, or easier forged or something, than a "long form birth certificate"?

Again, someone signed off on his candidacy being legit, so I believe him if he says he was born here. I choose not to think that that someone was corrupt. I also know that the policies won't get rolled back if he is deemed to be Kenyan or whatever. But this issue confuses me.

Here's the first link on google that discusses it.

http://freedomedium.com/2009/07/birth-certificate-vs-certification-of-live-birth/

As for the person that signed off on it, that would be the then-Speaker Nancy Pelosi, hardly someone who would be considered fair and impartial.

 

[maxiep]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Certificate_of_live_birth#Birth_certificates_in_the_United_States

The key part of your post is "n most states..." Again, check what Hawaii does.

It's not unreasonable to ask the President of the United States to present their Long Form Birth Certificate. If you think it is, then we'll have to agree to disagree.

 

[Minstrel]

The key part of your post is "n most states..." Again, check what Hawaii does.

It's not unreasonable to ask the President of the United States to present their Long Form Birth Certificate. If you think it is, then we'll have to agree to disagree.

Yeah, I actually deleted my post because I realized that birthers are arguing about "certification" versus "certificate."

Here's something more relevant, then, from the same article:

The short form typically includes the child's name, date of birth, sex, and place of birth, although some also include the names of the child's parents. When the certification does include the names of the parents, it can be used in lieu of a long form birth certificate in almost all circumstances.[23] Nearly all states in the U.S. issue short forms certifications, on both state and local levels.[25]

As you can see, Obama's does have his parents' names:

http://www.twilightslastgleaming.com/images/obama-certificate-of-live-birth-lg.jpg

Perhaps you'd argue that "in almost all circumstances" doesn't include this. In which case, I'd like to see evidence that this is a case where only long-form is legally sufficient.

 

[TradeNurkicNow]

 

[maxiep]

Yeah, I actually deleted my post because I realized that birthers are arguing about "certification" versus "certificate."

Here's something more relevant, then, from the same article:



As you can see, Obama's does have his parents' names:

http://www.twilightslastgleaming.com/images/obama-certificate-of-live-birth-lg.jpg

Perhaps you'd argue that "in almost all circumstances" doesn't include this. In which case, I'd like to see evidence that this is a case where only long-form is legally sufficient.

If you're getting a driver's licence or opening a bank account, I would agree with you. If you're running for the presidency, it's quite another thing.

 

[maxiep]

I'm amazed at how asking the President of the United States to provide a simple document is "lunacy". If George W. Bush were stonewalling like this, I'd be asking him to provide it as well. And something tells me many of the people pooh-poohing the notion for Obama would be on it like white-on-rice if it were Bush.

 

[Minstrel]

If you're getting a driver's licence or opening a bank account, I would agree with you. If you're running for the presidency, it's quite another thing.

Well, you're certainly free to hold the opinion that it is not enough for you...but ultimately the legal question is what matters. If Obama has satisfied the legal requirements, all the carrying on from the birthers is really just noise. It didn't work for them in 2008 and I strongly doubt most people are becoming more interested over time.

 

[maxiep]

Well, you're certainly free to hold the opinion that it is not enough for you...but ultimately the legal question is what matters. If Obama has satisfied the legal requirements, all the carrying on from the birthers is really just noise. It didn't work for them in 2008 and I strongly doubt most people are becoming more interested over time.

I remember that's your position from here on out. You should only supply the minimum legally required. Got it.

 

[Minstrel]

I remember that's your position from here on out. You should only supply the minimum legally required. Got it.

Yeah, I think that's accurate. I'd have thought you being a small-government, less-government-intrusion type would also embrace that. Provide what you must legally, when dealing with government, and nothing more.

 

[maxiep]

Yeah, I think that's accurate. I'd have thought you being a small-government, less-government-intrusion type would also embrace that. Provide what you must legally, when dealing with government, and nothing more.

You would think wrong. I don't believe in no government; I believe in limited government. And I like to know as much as I can about the people we elect to run the government. The Fourth Estate had been trusted to gather that information, and they haven't shown they're interested in the job anymore.

 

[Minstrel]

You would think wrong. I don't believe in no government

That position doesn't imply "no government." Meeting legal standards necessitates a government.

 

[Natebishop3]

I thought that we already established that Hawaii isn't a "real" state.

 

[Masbee]

Well, you're certainly free to hold the opinion that it is not enough for you...but ultimately the legal question is what matters. If Obama has satisfied the legal requirements, all the carrying on from the birthers is really just noise. It didn't work for them in 2008 and I strongly doubt most people are becoming more interested over time.

Barak Obama Candidate: We are going to create the most transparent and open government in U.S. history.

Barak Obama President: I already supplied the barest minimum legally required. All other official documents and historical documents are sealed, hidden, vaulted, erased, blocked, wiped out.

Oh, and all those folks complaining about this state of affairs, are "crazy".