The Final Word On Obama's Birth Certificate

[Minstrel]

Barak Obama Candidate: We are going to create the most transparent and open government in U.S. history.

Barak Obama President: I already supplied the barest minimum legally required. All other official documents and historical documents are sealed, hidden, vaulted, erased, blocked, wiped out.

Oh, and all those folks complaining about this state of affairs, are "crazy".

Yes, he hasn't fulfilled promises of transparency. No question there. And he's failed to do that in far more important matters than his long-form birth certificate, to boot.

And yes, the people complaining about his long-form birth certificate are crazy. There are consequential things to complain about and they've chosen to focus on something silly. People complaining about his lack of transparency in matters of state and foreign policy I don't consider crazy at all.

 

[bluefrog]

It's petty and a distraction.

You can call Obama out on a terrible economy, a never-ending war or the growing debt but instead of offering solutions to these problems people feel the need to frame the debate on Obama proving his place of birth.

It's all to get people to question Obama's legitimacy to the presidency.

 

[Denny Crane]

Yes, he hasn't fulfilled promises of transparency. No question there. And he's failed to do that in far more important matters than his long-form birth certificate, to boot.

And yes, the people complaining about his long-form birth certificate are crazy. There are consequential things to complain about and they've chosen to focus on something silly. People complaining about his lack of transparency in matters of state and foreign policy I don't consider crazy at all.

This.

 

[maxiep]

Yes, he hasn't fulfilled promises of transparency. No question there. And he's failed to do that in far more important matters than his long-form birth certificate, to boot.

And yes, the people complaining about his long-form birth certificate are crazy. There are consequential things to complain about and they've chosen to focus on something silly. People complaining about his lack of transparency in matters of state and foreign policy I don't consider crazy at all.

But it's the issue most easily solved. There's no reason for him not to do it.

 

[maxiep]

For those who complain that this is a distraction, I'll quote our current Commander-In-Chief and say, "I can focus on more than one thing at a time."

 

[MARIS61]

I don't care one way or the other. I'd like to believe that whoever signed off on his candidacy 3 years ago wasn't totally corrupt. And it's not like if he WAS found to be Kenyan they'd revoke any policies, treaties or laws done on his watch.

That said, what took so long? I mean, you can't be a private in the army without a birth certificate.

Not if you're white anyway.

 

[MARIS61]

But how do we really know that the Obama on the birth certificate is actually the same one in the White House?

How do we really know that the Hawaii on the birth certificate is actually the Hawaii we all think it is?

 

[PapaG]

The problem is that a Certificate of Live Birth isn't the same as a Long Form Birth Certificate, and that's what Donald Trump and his ilk are demanding to see.

Exactly. I'm not sure what this thread is supposed to be about. Everybody knows about the short-form COLB, which is not an actual record from a hospital. The long form BC has the hospital, doctor name, etc.

Obama's half-sister has the same Hawaii Certificate of Live Birth as does her brother; the difference is, his half-sister also has a long-form BC from Indonesia, where she was born. Hawaii gave her a COLB, with her birthplace, but there are records of her long-form BC from Indonesia. Her half-brother, born in Hawaii, can't produce his own long-form BC? At the very least, that seems worth questioning.

This thread only serves to raise more questions, rather than answer them.

 

[PapaG]

What were Obomba's grades in college? Why did he leave Occidental and end up at Columbia? That's a strange leap, given the Ivy League's typical reaction to transfer students.

Why do we know Gore's, Bush's, Clinton's, and Kerry's grades, but not Barry's?

Why does Barry talk about student loans, yet there are no records of student loans?

Anyone?

 

[PapaG]

The funny thing is, the more I look into this stuff, the more questions arise. The NYT stuff below is true. It's worth noting that the NYT published this info while NY Sen. Clinton was the presumed Dem 2008 candidate.

According to the New York Times, Obama "suggests in his book that his years in New York were a pivotal period: He ran three miles a day, buckled down to work and 'stopped getting high,' which he says he had started doing in high school. Yet he declined repeated requests to talk about his New York years, release his Columbia transcript or identify even a single fellow student, co-worker, roommate or friend from those years."

Campaign spokesman Ben LaBolt told the newspaper in October 2007, "He doesn’t remember the names of a lot of people in his life."

In a 2005 profile in a Columbia alumni magazine, Obama called his time at the school "an intense period of study."

"I spent a lot of time in the library. I didn't socialize that much. I was like a monk," he said



Read more: Obama: Where have all his records gone? http://www.wnd.com/?pageId=100613#ixzz1JHohM0DT

I'm more interested in his college records than I am his BC. I also wonder why he never wrote about his trip to Pakistan in 1981.

This last part -- a college trip to Pakistan -- was news to many of us who have been following the race closely. And it was odd that we hadn't hear about it before, given all the talk of Pakistan during this campaign.

So I asked the Obama campaign for more information.

Apparently, according to the Obama campaign, In 1981 -- the year Obama transferred from Occidental College to Columbia University -- Obama visited his mother and sister Maya in Indonesia. After that visit, Obama traveled to Pakistan with a friend from college whose family was from there. The Obama campaign says Obama was in Pakistan for about three weeks, staying with his friend's family in Karachi and also visiting Hyderabad in Southern India.

 

[barfo]

Exactly. I'm not sure what this thread is supposed to be about.

I demand to see the documentation for the origin of this thread! Perhaps it was really started on RealGM... or worse.

Obama's half-sister has the same Hawaii Certificate of Live Birth as does her brother;

Weird. You'd think they would have gotten different ones, since they aren't Siamese twins.

This thread only serves to raise more questions, rather than answer them.

It certainly does. Questions such as "why do I waste my time like this?"

barfo

 

[PapaG]

It certainly does. Questions such as "why do I waste my time like this?"

barfo

Are you going through a rough patch of your life? You did used to make me laugh. Now, it seems as if you're just going through the motions. You need a new muse.

 

[Natebishop3]

Seriously, if this were Bush, the Dems would be going after it full speed ahead.

 

[barfo]

Are you going through a rough patch of your life? You did used to make me laugh. Now, it seems as if you're just going through the motions. You need a new muse.

Are you volunteering?

barfo

 

[barfo]

Seriously, if this were Bush, the Dems would be going after it full speed ahead.

That doesn't make it any less stupid, though.

barfo

 

[Natebishop3]

That doesn't make it any less stupid, though.

barfo

No, but it makes it very hypocritical. For Democrats to brush it off and say it's "stupid" is unfair. The man currently holds the most important job in the country. If I were to provide false information or questionable information on a job application, I would be asked to provide proof in the form of something tangible. I don't think it's too much to ask of the President to show something that would prove he's a legal citizen of American birth when it's part of the requirements for the job.

 

[barfo]

No, but it makes it very hypocritical.

Sure. There's no question but what if the tables were turned there would be many people calling for Bush's birth certificate (or, perhaps, for his national guard records, which are actually slightly more relevant, since Bush was a supposed adult at the time. Pretty sure Obama, wherever he was born, had no choice about the location.)

For Democrats to brush it off and say it's "stupid" is unfair.

Not at all. It is stupid. It's incredibly stupid. It's something that just doesn't matter.

Now, The man currently holds the most important job in the country. If I were to provide false information or questionable information on a job application, I would be asked to provide proof in the form of something tangible. I don't think it's too much to ask of the President to show something that would prove he's a legal citizen of American birth when it's part of the requirements for the job.

The man currently holds the most important job in the country, and you think the location where he emerged from the womb is somehow relevant? Aside from the technical rule of law which people are hoping to catch him on, what difference does it actually make where he was born?

Plus, of course, it is obvious to anyone who isn't a nutcase that he actually was born in Honolulu, the newspaper clippings are sufficient evidence of that.

barfo

 

[PapaG]

Trump has shifted his focus to the Tony Rezko land deal. There is actually some substance there. I'd pay to watch Trump debate Obama.

 

[andalusian]

Seriously, if this were Bush, the Dems would be going after it full speed ahead.

I do not know - Bush's suspect military service got a lot less press than this... - sure it was mentioned - but did not seem to drag on and on and brought up again and again...

 

[PapaG]

I do not know - Bush's suspect military service got a lot less press than this... - sure it was mentioned - but did not seem to drag on and on and brought up again and again...

Are you kidding? Dan Rather ultimately lost his job over airing fraudulent memos just two months prior to the general election, and Bush was forced to release all of his ANG papers because the major media would not stop hounding him about it.

http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2004-02-13-bush-records_x.htm

The media would never have let Bush spend a few million dollars to not release something as simple as his actual birth certificate.

 

[maxiep]

Seriously, if this were Bush, the Dems would be going after it full speed ahead.

If it were George W. Bush, I'd be going after it full speed ahead, much less the Democrats. It's an important question, and moreover, one that is easily answered.

 

[jlprk]

Seriously, if this were Bush, the Dems would be going after it full speed ahead.

No, if this were Bush hiding his background , and he had destroyed the records of how he abandoned his post for a year during the Vietnam war to campaign for politicians, Republicans would get Dan Rather fired for telling the story, to make an example of him to other reporters and thus silence the issue in the 2004 election, while simultaneously claiming that the Democratic candidate had faked his 3 Purple Hearts.

If Obama gets major news anchors fired for reporting this birther stuff, and falsely transfers the exact same criticism of faking his background to his presidential opponent, THEN there will be some equivalence.

Edit: I see others raised this gauntlet after your post.

 

[PapaG]

No, if this were Bush hiding his background , and he had destroyed the records of how he abandoned his post for a year during the Vietnam war to campaign for politicians, Republicans would get Dan Rather fired for telling the story, to make an example of him to other reporters and thus silence the issue in the 2004 election, while simultaneously claiming that the Democratic candidate had faked his 3 Purple Hearts.

If Obama gets major news anchors fired for reporting this birther stuff, and falsely transfers the exact same criticism of faking his background to his presidential opponent, THEN there will be some equivalence.

Edit: I see others raised this gauntlet after your post.

My favorite Bush memo is the one I posted that is titled "CYA". How that didn't raise any red flags at CBS tells me a lot about our so-called journalists.

 

[maxiep]

No, if this were Bush hiding his background , and he had destroyed the records of how he abandoned his post for a year during the Vietnam war to campaign for politicians, Republicans would get Dan Rather fired for telling the story, to make an example of him to other reporters and thus silence the issue in the 2004 election, while simultaneously claiming that the Democratic candidate had faked his 3 Purple Hearts.

If Obama gets major news anchors fired for reporting this birther stuff, and falsely transfers the exact same criticism of faking his background to his presidential opponent, THEN there will be some equivalence.

Edit: I see others raised this gauntlet after your post.

LOL @ your defense of Rather and Mapes.

 

[andalusian]

Are you kidding? Dan Rather ultimately lost his job over airing fraudulent memos just two months prior to the general election, and Bush was forced to release all of his ANG papers because the major media would not stop hounding him about it.

I am not kidding you. I specifically talked about the "democrats" comment. Dan Rather was a journalist, not a Democrat candidate. Hair-piece is a Republican candidate. It's really not hard to see the difference if you pay attention to the details.

 

[PapaG]

I am not kidding you. I specifically talked about the "democrats" comment. Dan Rather was a journalist, not a Democrat candidate. Hair-piece is a Republican candidate. It's really not hard to see the difference if you pay attention to the details.

Why would a Democratic candidate make an issue of something that the media is beating to death for them?

That should be a tell for you, if you pay attention to the details. Same with you calling Trump a GOP candidate, if you pay attention to the details...

 

[andalusian]

Why would a Democratic candidate make an issue of something that the media is beating to death for them?

This is quite silly. The fact is that the Democrats did not go around making these claims to the degree that the Republicans do - and to suggest they would have if the press did not is putting words into their mouths. Maybe they would have, maybe they would not have. The facts are that they did not.

Same with you calling Trump a GOP candidate, if you pay attention to the details...

" I started as a Republican, and I finished as a Republican. That’s where I want to be.”"

http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=42306

He is also saying that he plans to try and win the republican nomination.

http://content.usatoday.com/communi...ld-trump-2012-presidential-race-bill-cosby-/1

"The concern is if I don't win will I run as an independent, and I think the answer is probably yes."

At this point - he is a republican and plans to try to win the republican nomination. As long as the Republican party does not try to wash their hands from him - the statement is factually correct.

"I am a Republican," Trump said of his party affiliation. "I would run as a Republican, yes."

http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-brief...lks-up-possible-gop-run-for-president-in-2012

 

[BrianFromWA]

^^Hadn't seen that, Andalusian...thanks.

I'd assumed he'd be making a Perot-style run on his own. But it seems from your links that that's a backup plan if he doesn't get the R nomination. Which I don't think is likely, but I didn't think Obama could beat out Hillary, so what do I know?

 

[barfo]

Seems to me if The Donald runs as a third party candidate, Obama is pretty much guaranteed reelection.

barfo

 

[Denny Crane]

I'm plenty satisfied Obama is qualified. I'm amused that the side so violently defending Obama now was equally loony about W's military records.