OT The flu has killed 84 kids since October

[Natebishop3]

Since we're talking about protecting our children from harm a lot lately.

https://www.cnn.com/2018/02/16/health/flu-weekly-surveillance-cdc-feb-16/index.html

"The deaths of 22 more children from flu-related causes were reported Friday by the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention in its weekly surveillance report.

Those deaths bring the total number of children reported to have died to 84 since October when the current flu season began. Three out of four children who died from the flu had not gotten a flu vaccine, the acting director of the CDC said in a Thursday news conference."

 

[barfo]

We need background checks before anyone is allowed to get the flu.

barfo

 

[calvin natt]

75% not getting the flu shot is horrific. Good job mom/dad.

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

The Flu vaccine just makes the new strains stronger!

 

[H.C.]

Flu vaccine was 30% effective against h3n2.

 

[calvin natt]

i was in the doctor this week. asked about the flu. Said that almost everyone who comes in super sick didn't get flu shot. flu shot deniers are pathetic.

 

[Further]

Since we're talking about protecting our children from harm a lot lately.

https://www.cnn.com/2018/02/16/health/flu-weekly-surveillance-cdc-feb-16/index.html

"The deaths of 22 more children from flu-related causes were reported Friday by the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention in its weekly surveillance report.

Those deaths bring the total number of children reported to have died to 84 since October when the current flu season began. Three out of four children who died from the flu had not gotten a flu vaccine, the acting director of the CDC said in a Thursday news conference."

There is a big difference, we don’t have one party trying to make sure nothing is done to protect kids from the flu.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

Three out of four children who died from the flu had not gotten a flu vaccine

But none of the children who died who didn't get the flu shot got autism before or after they died.

#Fact

 

[Natebishop3]

There is a big difference, we don’t have one party trying to make sure nothing is done to protect kids from the flu.

It's a simple fix. It's something any parent can do. Get your kid a flu shot.

We can debate gun control till the cows come home, but unless you lock your child in a room, there's a chance something bad is going to happen to them. Someone could harm them. No amount of laws will stop someone who wants to kill you. But parents are in control of their kids healthcare. That's something they can take action on. A flu shot isn't a guarantee, but it has been proven to help reduce the risk. This is a very preventable thing that people could do, and it has already killed 84 children in the 4 months.

 

[Further]

It's a simple fix. It's something any parent can do. Get your kid a flu shot.

We can debate gun control till the cows come home, but unless you lock your child in a room, there's a chance something bad is going to happen to them. Someone could harm them. No amount of laws will stop someone who wants to kill you. But parents are in control of their kids healthcare. That's something they can take action on. A flu shot isn't a guarantee, but it has been proven to help reduce the risk. This is a very preventable thing that people could do, and it has already killed 84 children in the 4 months.

Very preventable. - people should do it. However, there are still those who got the shot and still got killed.

Just like with guns although the percentages would change. There are actions we (the government) could do to lessen gun violence. Still people would be killed. It still makes sense to vaccinate, it still makes sense to implement changes to reduce gun violence and mass attacks.

 

[Natebishop3]

Very preventable. - people should do it. However, there are still those who got the shot and still got killed.

Just like with guns although the percentages would change. There are actions we (the government) could do to lessen gun violence. Still people would be killed. It still makes sense to vaccinate, it still makes sense to implement changes to reduce gun violence and mass attacks.

Which changes would you implement to reduce gun violence?

According to that article, "Overall, the vaccine was found to be just 36% effective against circulating flu strains; however, in children, the effectiveness rate was 59%."

So if all of those kids had been given the vaccine, it is likely that 50 of them would still be alive. That is a scientifically provable fact.

What would be the equivalent change that you would do to prevent gun violence?

 

[calvin natt]

Very preventable. - people should do it. However, there are still those who got the shot and still got killed.

Just like with guns although the percentages would change. There are actions we (the government) could do to lessen gun violence. Still people would be killed. It still makes sense to vaccinate, it still makes sense to implement changes to reduce gun violence and mass attacks.

EXACTLY. Its mind-boggling not everyone can see a parallel here.

 

[Further]

We’ve been working on vaccines and getting people to take them for a very long time. The low rates of flu deaths are because of continued advancements and ongoing work.

There are many things that could be done towards the goal of reduced gun violence but none of them are the magic bullet (pardon the pun). Like vaccinations, it will take time, and effort, and resources, and manpower, and a continued resolve to greatly impact the gun violence epidemic.

Things that together over time could stabilize the situation include attention to mental health in schools, blocking those who have emotional or psychological issues from temporary or permanently owning firearms depending. Resting magazine capacity, requiring gun safes/locks for all firearms, closing loopholes that don’t require a verification of leagally being able to buy, quantity limits, training requirements to be able to purchase, a registry of guns to track trafficking, ban accessories like bump stocks.... buybacks, requirements than new guns have the built in locks, those are off the top of my head. Some I would support, others I would not, but I believe together those are the types things that in aggregate could, over time, greatly impact gun deaths.

 

[calvin natt]

We’ve been working on vaccines and getting people to take them for a very long time. The low rates of flu deaths are because of continued advancements and ongoing work.

There are many things that could be done towards the goal of reduced gun violence but none of them are the magic bullet (pardon the pun). Like vaccinations, it will take time, and effort, and resources, and manpower, and a continued resolve to greatly impact the gun violence epidemic.

Things that together over time could stabilize the situation include attention to mental health in schools, blocking those who have emotional or psychological issues from temporary or permanently owning firearms depending. Resting magazine capacity, requiring gun safes/locks for all firearms, closing loopholes that don’t require a verification of leagally being able to buy, quantity limits, training requirements to be able to purchase, a registry of guns to track trafficking, ban accessories like bump stocks.... buybacks, requirements than new guns have the built in locks, those are off the top of my head. Some I would support, others I would not, but I believe together those are the types things that in aggregate could, over time, greatly impact gun deaths.

I would support all of those things. I don’t see why not.

 

[Further]

I would support all of those things. I don’t see why not.

Because I would need to see specifics. For example, how are people with psychological problems being identified, which ones are being restricted and how can they petition to be able to to reassert their rights if they aren’t a threat. If someone has moderate anxiety issues that are completely eleviated with medication and show zero violent characteristics, should they still be limited for life?

It’s all s balance. I own guns but believe there are common sense measures that should be applied in society. I’m not interested in bat shit ideas or ones that don’t work or don’t work with the right population.

 

[Natebishop3]

Because I would need to see specifics. For example, how are people with psychological problems being identified, which ones are being restricted and how can the petition to be able to to reassert their rights if they aren’t a threat. If someone has moderat anxiety issues that are completely elevated with medication and show zero violent characteristics, should they still be limited for life?

It’s all s balance. I own guns but believe there are common sense measures that should be applied in society. I’m not interested in bat shit ideas or ones that don’t work or don’t work with the right population.

The biggest issue I have with the current legislation in Oregon, and the idea that people can have their rights taken away because of suicidal thoughts, or dangerous thoughts, is that it discourages people from seeing help. Especially people who work with guns. Historically, suicide has been a big problem with the military and with law enforcement. If you have your gun rights taken away, you can't exactly be a cop. So that means that anyone with suicidal thoughts would not seek help because they'd be afraid that they'd have their gun rights taken away. That's the opposite of what we want.

 

[MARIS61]

i was in the doctor this week. asked about the flu. Said that almost everyone who comes in super sick didn't get flu shot. flu shot deniers are pathetic.

The dealership mechanic told me almost everyone who comes in with a bad tranny didn't get their tranny flushed every 60,000 miles. Scheduled maintenance deniers are pathetic.

 

[MarAzul]

75% not getting the flu shot is horrific. Good job mom/dad.

GrandFather needs to put boot to arses.

 

[calvin natt]

The dealership mechanic told me almost everyone who comes in with a bad tranny didn't get their tranny flushed every 60,000 miles. Scheduled maintenance deniers are pathetic.

Uh ya but this is costing kids lives but yeah samesies

 

[MARIS61]

Uh ya but this is costing kids lives but yeah samesies

Say those who profit only when you get sick, and get richer the more often you get sick, and get still richer the more extremely sick you get.

 

[Further]

The biggest issue I have with the current legislation in Oregon, and the idea that people can have their rights taken away because of suicidal thoughts, or dangerous thoughts, is that it discourages people from seeing help. Especially people who work with guns. Historically, suicide has been a big problem with the military and with law enforcement. If you have your gun rights taken away, you can't exactly be a cop. So that means that anyone with suicidal thoughts would not seek help because they'd be afraid that they'd have their gun rights taken away. That's the opposite of what we want.

It’s also s problem I have . But that doesn’t mean throw the baby out with the bath water. We will not find a fix-all solution. In fact, most solutions will also have deleterious effects. But that doesn’t mean we don’t try best as we can fo limit the pitfalls and mitigate the ill-effects.

You want to get from home to work but the solution of driving could kill you. Yet we limit the negative side effect by having laws on how to drive -double yellow lines... so you can still get to work by driving.

We can have psychological challenges be something that can occur. We can say if someone seeks help they bypass being blocked from purchasing unless thrir doctor affirmatively states otherwise. There are protections but the pro gun folks need to step of the “no rule ever” dogma.

 

[calvin natt]

Say those who profit only when you get sick, and get richer the more often you get sick, and get still richer the more extremely sick you get.

Huh

 

[MARIS61]

There is a big difference, we don’t have one party trying to make sure nothing is done to protect kids from the flu.

Thankfully, they are not in power at this time.

 

[Chris Craig]

Thankfully, they are not in power at this time.

The ones that are in power are probably bout to raise the cost of flu shots 200%

 

[Chris Craig]

I am all for getting the flu shot, especially as a teacher who works around a germ mine field. I got my son a shot too. It does help.

 

[jonnyboy]

The ones that are in power are probably bout to raise the cost of flu shots 200%

From free to 200% more free?

 

[calvin natt]

I listen to doctors and nurses and medical professionals when it comes to health. I’m crazy like that. And science.

 

[Chris Craig]

From free to 200% more free?

I hope it stays that way

 

[BrianFromWA]

I listen to doctors and nurses and medical professionals when it comes to health. I’m crazy like that. And science.

You have to be careful with that. "Medical science" isn't all it's cracked up to be.

 

[calvin natt]

You have to be careful with that. "Medical science" isn't all it's cracked up to be.

I work in healthcare. I have a real hard time with anyone doubting the flu shot. It’s dumb