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calvin natt said:
I work in healthcare. I have a real hard time with anyone doubting the flu shot. It’s dumb
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That's fair. Do you also have a problem with people who don't want to take statins? Or people who say "no thanks, I won't eat margarine like you tell me too, I'm going to stick with butter?" Or many of the concepts in the book "Farmacology?"

I'm not saying to not get the flu shot. I'm saying that there no way on God's Green Earth I'm going to willy-nilly "listen to doctors and nurses and medical professionals" about anything. I think you have to be careful with that.
 
BrianFromWA said:
That's fair. Do you also have a problem with people who don't want to take statins? Or people who say "no thanks, I won't eat margarine like you tell me too, I'm going to stick with butter?" Or many of the concepts in the book "Farmacology?"

I'm not saying to not get the flu shot. I'm saying that there no way on God's Green Earth I'm going to willy-nilly "listen to doctors and nurses and medical professionals" about anything. I think you have to be careful with that.
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I think you have to be far more careful to not listen to professionals. That seems crazy to me. Maybe you got burned by a bad doctor or something. If the vast, vast majority of doctors and healthcare professionals say get a flu shot and it factually also helps you either perhaps not get the flu or helps you have reduced symptoms...you get the shot. And flu is spread. So someone who decides they are smarter than doctors can impact other people. Whether you eat butter or margarine means nothing to me.
 
calvin natt said:
I think you have to be far more careful to not listen to professionals. That seems crazy to me. Maybe you got burned by a bad doctor or something. If the vast, vast majority of doctors and healthcare professionals say get a flu shot and it factually also helps you either perhaps not get the flu or helps you have reduced symptoms...you get the shot. And flu is spread. So someone who decides they are smarter than doctors can impact other people. Whether you eat butter or margarine means nothing to me.
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I am smarter than most doctors, but that's beside the point. The vast majority of doctors say get a flu shot. The vast majority of doctors also prescribe statins for high cholesterol. Every Navy doctor I've had a checkup with in the last 3 years gives me a downcheck for eating a ketogenic diet because I'm eating more fats than the food pyramid says and not enough processed carbohydrates. Nevermind that my BP and RHR is down, that I've lost a decent amount of weight at 40, that I still maintain Outstanding on my physical fitness tests. My wife kept getting prescribed heavier and heavier doses of really messed-up medication for migraines, until through my own research we found that it was likely a hormonal and dietetic imbalance and got her fixed.

I don't have a problem with the concept that you "have to be far more careful not to listen to professionals". I am very careful when it comes to my health and my family's.
 
calvin natt said:
I work in healthcare. I have a real hard time with anyone doubting the flu shot. It’s dumb
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Blanket statement dude. There are perfectly legitimate reasons for people to avoid the flu shot. There ARE complications that can occur and they really aren't that rare. If someone feels the risk of complications outweighs their risk of a flu death (which is actually rarer than complications) then they are entitled to make that choice, and they aren't morons for doing so. There are plenty of doctors and scientists on both sides of the argument.
 
BrianFromWA said:
I am smarter than most doctors, but that's beside the point. The vast majority of doctors say get a flu shot. The vast majority of doctors also prescribe statins for high cholesterol. Every Navy doctor I've had a checkup with in the last 3 years gives me a downcheck for eating a ketogenic diet because I'm eating more fats than the food pyramid says and not enough processed carbohydrates. Nevermind that my BP and RHR is down, that I've lost a decent amount of weight at 40, that I still maintain Outstanding on my physical fitness tests. My wife kept getting prescribed heavier and heavier doses of really messed-up medication for migraines, until through my own research we found that it was likely a hormonal and dietetic imbalance and got her fixed.

I don't have a problem with the concept that you "have to be far more careful not to listen to professionals". I am very careful when it comes to my health and my family's.
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My wife is suffering from the same thing and the meds the VA tries to pump into her have scary warning labels. You wouldnt mind PMing me some research bro?
 
Natebishop3 said:
It's a simple fix. It's something any parent can do. Get your kid a flu shot.

We can debate gun control till the cows come home, but unless you lock your child in a room, there's a chance something bad is going to happen to them. Someone could harm them. No amount of laws will stop someone who wants to kill you. But parents are in control of their kids healthcare. That's something they can take action on. A flu shot isn't a guarantee, but it has been proven to help reduce the risk. This is a very preventable thing that people could do, and it has already killed 84 children in the 4 months.
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So let's do away with all laws because bad people are gonna break them anyway. Stupid argument. We have laws about driving. You need a license, you need to wear a seat belt, you can't drive drunk. Why not have laws about guns?
 
jonnyboy said:
Blanket statement dude. There are perfectly legitimate reasons for people to avoid the flu shot. There ARE complications that can occur and they really aren't that rare. If someone feels the risk of complications outweighs their risk of a flu death (which is actually rarer than complications) then they are entitled to make that choice, and they aren't morons for doing so. There are plenty of doctors and scientists on both sides of the argument.
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There are no legitimate reasons for me or my family to not get the flu shot. I do not know anyone to have had adverse reactions.
 
calvin natt said:
There are no legitimate reasons for me or my family to not get the flu shot. I do not know anyone to have had adverse reactions.
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That's perfectly fair. Your anectdotal evidence is just as legit as someone who has had adverse effects or knows someone who has. Stick with what works for you. Some people vaccinate, some people supplement, some people run around with masks and hand sanitizer. Nobody needs to be ostracized for choosing or not choosing any of these methods.
 
KingSpeed said:
So let's do away with all laws because bad people are gonna break them anyway. Stupid argument. We have laws about driving. You need a license, you need to wear a seat belt, you can't drive drunk. Why not have laws about guns?
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There are a ton of laws with guns.
 
jonnyboy said:
That's perfectly fair. Your anectdotal evidence is just as legit as someone who has had adverse effects or knows someone who has. Stick with what works for you. Some people vaccinate, some people supplement, some people run around with masks and hand sanitizer. Nobody needs to be ostracized for choosing or not choosing any of these methods.
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My problem with hand sanitizer is it kills all bacteria and some bacteria is actually beneficial to you. Ive often wondered if we are low on some kind of bacteria that supresses cancer.
 
jonnyboy said:
That's perfectly fair. Your anectdotal evidence is just as legit as someone who has had adverse effects or knows someone who has. Stick with what works for you. Some people vaccinate, some people supplement, some people run around with masks and hand sanitizer. Nobody needs to be ostracized for choosing or not choosing any of these methods.
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Disagree because adults make decisions for children and not vaccinating your kids is negligent and dangerous.
 
Haven’t had a flu shot in years, haven’t been sick. The one time I got sick was the year I had a flu shot. Flu shot is bullshit
 
jonnyboy said:
That's perfectly fair. Your anectdotal evidence is just as legit as someone who has had adverse effects or knows someone who has. Stick with what works for you. Some people vaccinate, some people supplement, some people run around with masks and hand sanitizer. Nobody needs to be ostracized for choosing or not choosing any of these methods.
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I disagree. The way vaccinations work are two-fold. 1, they act upon the individual. 2) if enough people vaccinate then it acts on the population. If enough individuals aren’t susceptible to disease X then disease X won’t be able to sustain itself. We never need to worry about polio anymore because the entire population got vaccinated and the disease vanished. That’s not going to happen to the flu since it evolves so quickly, but other illnesses could be left behind.
 
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BrianFromWA said:
You have to be careful with that. "Medical science" isn't all it's cracked up to be.
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calvin natt said:
Disagree because adults make decisions for children and not vaccinating your kids is negligent and dangerous.
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The effectiveness of the flu shot is not overwhelming enough for you to be throwing around claims of child neglect toward people who choose not to partake in it. Good thing you don't work at child protective services, that would be a frightening thought.
 
I haven't got a flu shot in years. Seems like there was a shortage and I didn't want to take one from the elderly and I never even thought about it since
 
jonnyboy said:
The effectiveness of the flu shot is not overwhelming enough for you to be throwing around claims of child neglect toward people who choose not to partake in it. Good thing you don't work at child protective services, that would be a frightening thought.
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Couldn’t disagree more but to each his own. I prefer avoiding the flu.
 
I have never had a flu shot.

Which is why I have not had the flu even once since the early 80's.
 
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