The Gary Johnson thread

[oldfisherman]

I think am the one against 99 on this board about pot.
Is there anyone else on this board that has had impaired pot users working for them? By impaired, I mean failing to be able to do their job?

Full disclosure.

I smoked pot for about 5 years. I quit about 35 years ago.
I started as a weekend recreational smoker, last couple of years, a daily user.

The two main reasons I quit were.
1) Smoking pot daily was affecting my job performance. I was still able to do my job, but, not at the same high level before I started to smoke pot.
2) Smoking pot DID AFFECT MY HEALTH. I was starting to have health problems that were related to smoking pot. It took years after quitting, but my good health has returned to its former self. I have no doubt that smoking pot CAN AFFECT YOUR HEALTH, and DID AFFECT MY HEALTH.

Pot smoke contains harmful chemicals that can be absorbed when inhaled. The more pot you smoke, the greater the odds that it may cause problems. Results vary by the person.

My conclusions from personal use
I do not believe anyone should go to jail for smoking pot. I am a strong believer in personal freedoms. BUT, I do not like the lies people tell themselves to justify smoking pot, such as it is harmless to smoke pot, or, that it does not alter their performance. I also did a fair amount of alcohol drinking over the years, which did not affect my health, or my job performance the next day. I am not even going into how pot smoking damaged my memory.

 

[barfo]

I think am the one against 99 on this board about pot.

Probably more than 99.

Is there anyone else on this board that has had impaired pot users working for them? By impaired, I mean failing to be able to do their job?

People who can't do the job, for whatever reason, need to be shown the door. If they can do the job, it makes no difference what substances they use.

barfo

 

[MarAzul]

Full disclosure.

I smoked pot for about 5 years. I quit about 35 years ago.
I started as a weekend recreational smoker, last couple of years, a daily user.

The two main reasons I quit were.
1) Smoking pot daily was affecting my job performance. I was still able to do my job, but, not at the same high level before I started to smoke pot.
2) Smoking pot DID AFFECT MY HEALTH. I was starting to have health problems that were related to smoking pot. It took years after quitting, but my good health has returned to its former self. I have no doubt that smoking pot CAN AFFECT YOUR HEALTH, and DID AFFECT MY HEALTH.

Pot smoke does contain harmful chemicals that can be absorbed when inhaled. The more pot you smoke, the greater the odds that it may cause problems. Results vary by the person.

My conclusions from personal use
I do not believe anyone should go to jail for smoking pot. I am a strong believer in personal freedoms. BUT, I do not like the lies people tell themselves to justify smoking pot, such as it is harmless to smoke pot, or, that it does not alter their performance. I also did a fair amount of alcohol drinking over the years, which did not affect my health, or my job performance the next day. I am not even going into how pot smoking damaged my memory.

Excellent post sir! Johnson's position is tantamount to giving a green light to pot use. Nothing suggests this is valid position.

 

[bodyman5000 and 1]

I think am the one against 99 on this board about pot.
Is there anyone else on this board that has had impaired pot users working for them? By impaired, I mean failing to be able to do their job?

I have my own reasons for hating pot. My dad couldn't keep a job for 2 continuous months when I was a kid. I don't think potheads have any idea how stupid they are. You just get dumber and dumber and dumber.

I worked with a guy who would go out to his truck at 9am and get high and then come back to work. I'd see him crawling around under a car on a cheap floor jack with no jackstands. One day my car broke down on a Friday evening and he offered me a ride home. It was 110 so we had to keep the windows up.

It was only surface streets so I was only mildly scared to death but I got home safely.

Oh and it smells horrific.

I also must say that alcohol, cigarettes and marijuana should all be legal but I don't like any of them.

To me it should be legal but kids growing up should be scared to death of it.

 

[MarAzul]

People who can't do the job, for whatever reason, need to be shown the door

I do not agree if they can be helped instead. The drug they use has differing rates of success.

 

[MarAzul]

To me it should be legal but kids growing up should be scared to death of it.

Now if Johnson were to send that message, I would campaign for him. Vote too.

 

[bodyman5000 and 1]

Probably more than 99.



People who can't do the job, for whatever reason, need to be shown the door. If they can do the job, it makes no difference what substances they use.

barfo

I can play basketball. I can shoot and pass and dribble and even lumber back and forth over midcourt.

I shouldn't be in the NBA.

If Joe Blow can smoke weed every night and get himself together just enough to make it through the next day as your employee you can keep him if you want.

The only thing that would get me to keep a pothead as an employee is if I couldn't find someone else.

 

[barfo]

I can play basketball. I can shoot and pass and dribble and even lumber back and forth over midcourt.

I shouldn't be in the NBA.

You can't do the job.

If Joe Blow can smoke weed every night and get himself together just enough to make it through the next day as your employee you can keep him if you want.

The only thing that would get me to keep a pothead as an employee is if I couldn't find someone else.

Have high standards, demand that they be exceeded. What the employee smokes, who he sleeps with, or who she votes for is none of my business as long as it does not affect my business.

barfo

 

[bodyman5000 and 1]

Now if Johnson were to send that message, I would campaign for him. Vote too.

It's like everything has to be black and white.

Either everyone has AK 47s or nothing.
Abortion has to be legal or illegal. If it is legal kill the fetus whenever you want how many times you want. If it is illegal and you get raped, too bad you can't get one.

We can all buy insanely fast cars if we can afford them. Technically anyone can drive one if they have a license.

Trust me, you don't want my gramma driving something like that.

There are so many things we allow in society now that aren't good, being legal shouldn't be encouragement.

 

[barfo]

I do not agree if they can be helped instead. The drug they use has differing rates of success.

Good, I'll send any troubled employees to you and you can pay them while you try to fix them.

I guess I'm not as much of a bleeding heart liberal as you.

barfo

 

[barfo]

If it is legal kill the fetus whenever you want how many times you want.

How many times can you kill a fetus? Does it have 9 lives like a cat?

barfo

 

[bodyman5000 and 1]

You can't do the job.



Have high standards, demand that they be exceeded. What the employee smokes, who he sleeps with, or who she votes for is none of my business as long as it does not affect my business.

barfo

Sure I can, just poorly. What if Lebron James starts getting high before games? He would still be one of the best players in the world.

Who an employee sleeps with or votes for is so unlikely to alter their job performance it isn't even comparable.

There are parts of my job that you have to trust me that I've done properly. Your safety depends on it. Literally.

If you want pot zombies that think they are fine working on the crash structure of your vehicle, good luck.

Potheads are like 90 year old drivers, they think they are fine until they hit the gas instead of the brake pedal and drive their car through a restaurant. That 90 year old still knows how to drive. A pothead can still make a sandwich, so what?

 

[barfo]

This thread is a bit like Gary Johnson... start off on track and all of a sudden you are off in the weeds studying that one hair on your arm, it's fascinating... wait, what was that? What was that?

barfo

 

[bodyman5000 and 1]

How many times can you kill a fetus? Does it have 9 lives like a cat?

barfo

Uhh, you literally could cause it's heart to stop and revive it over and over all you want if you listen to Pro Abortion psychos.

IT'S MY BODY YOU DAMN MAN, DON'T YOU TELL ME WHAT I CAN OR CAN'T DO

You knew what I meant.

 

[barfo]

There are parts of my job that you have to trust me that I've done properly. Your safety depends on it. Literally.

Should I ever need car repair in Vegas, I will definitely look you up.

Potheads are like 90 year old drivers, they think they are fine until they hit the gas instead of the brake pedal and drive their car through a restaurant. That 90 year old still knows how to drive. A pothead can still make a sandwich, so what?

If the job is making sandwiches, then what's the problem?

barfo

 

[barfo]

Uhh, you literally could cause it's heart to stop and revive it over and over all you want if you listen to Pro Abortion psychos.

IT'S MY BODY YOU DAMN MAN, DON'T YOU TELL ME WHAT I CAN OR CAN'T DO

You knew what I meant.

Of course

barfo

 

[bodyman5000 and 1]

Should I ever need car repair in Vegas, I will definitely look you up.



If the job is making sandwiches, then what's the problem?

barfo

It's up to you. If my non stoner employees can make 12 sandwiches an hour and Joe Dirt makes 10 I'll keep the non stoners.

If there is a job out there that being a Marijuana user is beneficial it has to be a rare one.

Reggae singer? Psychic?

 

[barfo]

It's up to you. If my non stoner employees can make 12 sandwiches an hour and Joe Dirt makes 10 I'll keep the non stoners.

If there is a job out there that being a Marijuana user is beneficial it has to be a rare one.

Reggae singer? Psychic?

Marijuana salesperson?

barfo

 

[barfo]

It's up to you. If my non stoner employees can make 12 sandwiches an hour and Joe Dirt makes 10 I'll keep the non stoners.

If there is a job out there that being a Marijuana user is beneficial it has to be a rare one.

Reggae singer? Psychic?

President of the USA? (to get back to the thread topic)

barfo

 

[bodyman5000 and 1]

President of the USA? (to get back to the thread topic)

barfo

Nah, I think it is the voters who are high.

 

[bodyman5000 and 1]

Seeing as how this thread is about a fairytale (Johnson getting elected) it seems appropriate to wander off now and then.

 

[VanillaGorilla]

LMAO some of you are clueless. Marijuana is more dangerous/harmful than alcohol? Laughable.

 

[Denny Crane]

I am a project manager and fully 3/4 of the people that work under me smoke pot. They don't miss work, they don't miss deadlines and they do good work. When they get shit-faced the night before they are hungover and their productivity nosedives or they call in sick.

edit: These are not "stoners." My feeling is that drug abusers and alcohol abusers are similarly unreliable.

They're probably too lazy to go show up at the doctor for every little complaint, too.

 

[Nikolokolus]

They're probably too lazy to go show up at the doctor for every little complaint, too.

Hey that's like just your opinion man.

 

[Further]

Gary -
I think he is the "best" person running although I don't know much about the green party woman. I would want to hang out with GJ and I believe that he is actually a principled man. That being said, I am philosophically opposed to libertarianism so I will not be voting for him. Also, SCJ matter to me. But I fully understand why people are voting for GJ, and it is possible for me to still make a protest vote in his favor, but unlikely.

Pot -
I smoke pot a couple times a month, I enjoy it, and it has no lasting effects on me. To each his own.

 

[MarAzul]

"best" person running

Perhaps he is! But his message is not. I don't much care if the bulk of you munch, smoke, or chew all the pot your taste craves.
I do object to a man that wants to be the leader sending the message to young people that pot is fine, nothing to fear!

If he told the truth an said the correct message, If you just want to get by, live a life of fulfilling less than your potential, then smoke pot, it will do the trick.


Don't get me wrong, I am not in favor of putting pot users in jail. However, I can't say the same for sellers (unlicensed) and no, I see nothing racist about it.

 

[MarAzul]

Marijuana is more dangerous/harmful than alcohol

Comparisons with alcohol are really irrelevant. Except perhaps alcohol abusers can be rehabilitated with greater success.

 

[MarAzul]

If the job is making sandwiches, then what's the problem?

Not a thing, unless of course he would rather be writing boolean logic to select secondary indices population data.

 

[dviss1]

I don't smoke weed, but I know many adults that hold down high-level professional jobs and it has no affect whatsoever on their performance. I know far more people who are negatively impacted by their alcohol use/abuse.

Marijauna should be regulated and taxed, but criminalizing it didn't stop people from smoking it or all of the negative consequences of it being classified as a schedule 1 narcotic (massive incarcerations, overcrowded prisons, a violent black market economy, etc.)

Great post.

 

[Denny Crane]

Hey that's like just your opinion man.

I'm actually pointing out it would be good for our health care costs. If people are comfortable because of the medication, they don't need services.