The Gary Johnson thread

[Denny Crane]

http://www.people-press.org/2016/08/18/1-voters-general-election-preferences/

Currently, 41% of registered voters say they would vote for Hillary Clinton if the general election were held today, while 37% say they would vote for Donald Trump, 10% say they would vote for Gary Johnson and 4% say they would vote for Jill Stein.

 

[MARIS61]

Bottom line is Hillary is practically a shoe-in with GJ stealing Trumps votes.

A hero to the DNC is all he'll amount to.

 

[barfo]

Bottom line is Hillary is practically a shoe-in with GJ stealing Trumps votes.

A hero to the DNC is all he'll amount to.

Good enough for me.

In fact, if he saves the country from Trump, perhaps we should erect giant statues of Denny's Johnson all across the land.

barfo

 

[Denny Crane]

He's polling closer and closer to the 15% required by the republican-democrat cabal to get into the debates. He's drawing votes from Hiliar, too.





6.4% he takes from Hiliar, 4.2% from Trump.

But it's barfo math. Go Johnson.

 

[barfo]

He's polling closer and closer to the 15% required by the republican-democrat cabal to get into the debates. He's drawing votes from Hiliar, too.

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6.4% he takes from Hiliar, 4.2% from Trump.

But it's barfo math. Go Johnson.

Hmm, I don't know how you got 6.4 and 4.2, but that's ok. I won't mention DennyMath.

barfo

 

[Denny Crane]

47.0 - 41.6 = 5.4
41.5 - 37.3 = 4.2

Giver or take 1% (Jill Stein)

 

[BlazerCaravan]

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47.0 - 41.6 = 5.4
41.5 - 37.3 = 4.2

Giver or take 1% (Jill Stein)

But Stein is polling 3.4%... I don't know if you can do the math with two variables.

 

[MARIS61]

I think am the one against 99 on this board about pot.
Is there anyone else on this board that has had impaired pot users working for them? By impaired, I mean failing to be able to do their job?

Never.

Many, many alcoholics though.

 

[Denny Crane]

But Stein is polling 3.4%... I don't know if you can do the math with two variables.

I think she's getting the Sanders never voted before crowd.

It's clear that Johnson is polling close to 10%, or 10x more than last time around. There's certainly a protest Trump vote, but that wouldn't affect Hiliar's votes.

 

[VanillaGorilla]

I think she's getting the Sanders never voted before crowd.

It's clear that Johnson is polling close to 10%, or 10x more than last time around. There's certainly a protest Trump vote, but that wouldn't affect Hiliar's votes.

I voted for Johnson in 2012 and I'll most likely be voting for Stein this year.

 

[UncleCliffy'sDaddy]

I think she's getting the Sanders never voted before crowd.

It's clear that Johnson is polling close to 10%, or 10x more than last time around. There's certainly a protest Trump vote, but that wouldn't affect Hiliar's votes.

Actually, I'm a registered Democrat and have voted Democrat in every presidential election since 1972....except for 1996. Bill Clinton fooled me the first time around but not the second (though the wrong Dole was running for president that year). And I am most eagerly looking forward to voting for Johnson this fall....as a protest against yet another Clinton (along with the fact that I think Johnson is qualified and I align with a good portion of his platform). I think more than a few Democrats feel the same way. Trump isn't even a factor in our decision, as it's hard to protest what you don't take seriously.......

 

[riverman]

I've been watching interviews of Johnson as often as I can and I like the guy. Last interview I heard he rode his bicycle 14 miles to give...he rode from New Mexico to Napa on his bike and had spinal surgery before he did these things....climbed Everest....skis 120 times a year....I doubt Trump even pushes his own elevator buttons. Johnson is the change maker out of the whole field. If you want to get drama out of the presidency...he's the best choice and it's not even close. Johnson won't hassle you for your choices as long as they don't harm someone else.

 

[MARIS61]

Full disclosure.

I smoked pot for about 5 years. I quit about 35 years ago.
I started as a weekend recreational smoker, last couple of years, a daily user.

The two main reasons I quit were.
1) Smoking pot daily was affecting my job performance. I was still able to do my job, but, not at the same high level before I started to smoke pot.
2) Smoking pot DID AFFECT MY HEALTH. I was starting to have health problems that were related to smoking pot. It took years after quitting, but my good health has returned to its former self. I have no doubt that smoking pot CAN AFFECT YOUR HEALTH, and DID AFFECT MY HEALTH.

Pot smoke contains harmful chemicals that can be absorbed when inhaled. The more pot you smoke, the greater the odds that it may cause problems. Results vary by the person.

My conclusions from personal use
I do not believe anyone should go to jail for smoking pot. I am a strong believer in personal freedoms. BUT, I do not like the lies people tell themselves to justify smoking pot, such as it is harmless to smoke pot, or, that it does not alter their performance. I also did a fair amount of alcohol drinking over the years, which did not affect my health, or my job performance the next day. I am not even going into how pot smoking damaged my memory.

Your 2nd to last sentence is in denial of all medical science.

 

[riverman]

I voted for Johnson in 2012 and I'll most likely be voting for Stein this year.

Stein tried to give her party nomination to Bernie Sanders and he wouldn't even return her calls.....she doesn't have a shot

 

[VanillaGorilla]

Stein tried to give her party nomination to Bernie Sanders and he wouldn't even return her calls.....she doesn't have a shot

At winning? Obviously. I won't vote for someone simply because they have a shot at winning. I wouldn't be a Blazers fan if I cared that much about having a realistic shot at winning.

Oh and Johnson doesn't have a shot either.

 

[riverman]

At winning? Obviously. I won't vote for someone simply because they have a shot at winning. I wouldn't be a Blazers fan if I cared that much about having a realistic shot at winning.

Oh and Johnson doesn't have a shot either.

Johnson has the better shot...that's my point.

 

[Denny Crane]

Trump's "what do you have to lose?" argument is compelling, but not to vote for Trump. It's not to vote Democrat or Republican.

The election isn't a done deal until the voter counters "count" the ballots. You never know, Johnson might (he should!) win.

If Johnson doesn't win, it'll be another "let's try one of the two parties and not be happy with the direction of the country some more."

Johnson is at least lending credibility to the Libertarian Party to at least 10% of the voters and likely many more who insist on voting against one of the awful two main party candidates.

We will win at some point. It's REAL progress.

 

[barfo]

Trump's "what do you have to lose?" argument is compelling, but not to vote for Trump. It's not to vote Democrat or Republican.

The election isn't a done deal until the voter counters "count" the ballots. You never know, Johnson might (he should!) win.

If Johnson doesn't win, it'll be another "let's try one of the two parties and not be happy with the direction of the country some more."

Johnson is at least lending credibility to the Libertarian Party to at least 10% of the voters and likely many more who insist on voting against one of the awful two main party candidates.

We will win at some point. It's REAL progress.

If Libertarians ever win, which I doubt they will in my lifetime, we'll all quickly see that electing a libertarian isn't some sort of a cure, and people will be just as unhappy with the direction of the country as ever - probably more so.

Just because it's different doesn't mean it fixes anything.

barfo

 

[Denny Crane]

If Libertarians ever win, which I doubt they will in my lifetime, we'll all quickly see that electing a libertarian isn't some sort of a cure, and people will be just as unhappy with the direction of the country as ever - probably more so.

Just because it's different doesn't mean it fixes anything.

barfo

If it's the same, nothing will change.

Duh.

 

[barfo]

If it's the same, nothing will change.

Duh.

Sure. You could change your life right now by cutting off your penis, or you could leave things the same. Up to you, just depends on how much you want 'change'.

barfo

 

[Denny Crane]

Sure. You could change your life right now by cutting off your penis, or you could leave things the same. Up to you, just depends on how much you want 'change'.

barfo

You define "change" how you want. You go first.

 

[stampedehero]

I thought the forum needed a thread about him..I'm voting for him as a sort of safety valve vote and to add fuel to jumpstart the end of the two party system we've watched like a bad divorce case most of our adult lives. Johnson is pretty balanced, moderate and was a highly successful governor. Anything anyone can add to the thread about his positions or else, please do. Attached is a link I found about him.
https://www.isidewith.com/candidate-guide/gary-johnson

Libertarian Party (1971)++(Their decree) >>> Free Markets, Civil liberties, More freedom less government,No bail outs, No Patriot act, No war on drugs, Follow the Constitution, Bring our troops home, Get government out of our wallets and bedrooms.

 

[stampedehero]

If I even bother to vote I'm probably voting for him, I'm not going to be party to either of the other two numb skulls.

American Voter circa 2016

 

[Denny Crane]

I saw this on CNN this morning. They said the polls say 32% of Hiliar's supporters actually want to vote for her, the rest want to vote against Trump. For Trump, the numbers are 25% want to vote for him.

People should realize they CAN and SHOULD vote FOR someone they want to win instead of against the worser of two evils.

 

[barfo]

People should realize they CAN and SHOULD vote FOR someone they want to win instead of against the worser of two evils.

Says the guy who spends all his time making the case AGAINST instead of FOR.

barfo

 

[Denny Crane]

Says the guy who spends all his time making the case AGAINST instead of FOR.

barfo

I'm not voting against anyone. Says the guy who's voting FOR Gary Johnson.

I question the fools who vote for Hiliar or Trump.

 

[riverman]

Johnson winning is possible, sort of like the Blazers winning 74 games, but it is possible....Go underdog!

 

[riverman]

I'm not voting against anyone. Says the guy who's voting FOR Gary Johnson.

I question the fools who vote for Hiliar or Trump.

I have to thank you for that...steered me to check him out and actually feel positive about his platform. I was so sure I would vote again against the worst candidate...that's not even an issue now.

 

[Denny Crane]

I have to thank you for that...steered me to check him out and actually feel positive about his platform. I was so sure I would vote again against the worst candidate...that's not even an issue now.

I've never understood the love for government, no matter the cost.

I don't know many Libertarians who are anarchists. Libertarianism is, in fact, a legal philosophy. There most certainly is a role for government, ideally, but it should not cause harm to some for the benefit of others. There are laws against crimes, and civil courts to resolve disputes.

The two parties have become so polarized that neither one truly represents the will of the people. The polls say the country is going in the wrong direction. The polls say the people want what the Libertarians offer, but they don't get to hear from the Libertarians proper. That is, fiscal responsibility and social freedoms.

Johnson is at 8.9% today. He has been in the ~7% range until the past few weeks. He's polling over 10% in several of the higher profile polls, and 9% in several others.



It's remarkable that we might elect a president with 42.3% of the popular vote. Not all that popular, really.

 

[barfo]

The polls say the people want what the Libertarians offer, but they don't get to hear from the Libertarians proper.

If your first statement is true, then the fault for the second lies with Libertarians. No one is keeping you from running serious, attractive candidates.

The trouble is, you don't bother. Your party caters almost entirely to flakes and extremists. You either don't bother to run candidates in local elections, or your candidates are, at best, goofballs. You've developed no bench, so you don't have serious candidates at the top, just warmed over republicans.

To me, this says that libertarians are lazy. They don't want to do the hard work of politics. They just want to be elected by acclamation because their "philosophy" is supposedly attractive. Doesn't work that way in the real world. Candidates do matter.

As a result, in an election where both major parties arguably put guns to their own heads, you can't capitalize. Your party isn't shovel-ready.

This was your big chance, and you blew it. Oh well.

barfo