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America recruits them.

My dad told me stories about then he was a boy in Havana, he would do odd jobs to get a little money and then would take his brother to the movies. A bottle coke and popcorn split between the two of them and they would watch an american cartoon and movie. It was that time in the theater where he started to pick up some english and the dream of someday coming to America.

I don't think so dog.

I don't know how Dad got here but I do know it is 70 some miles from Cuba to the Keys by boat. Only the intrepid make it, but still, doable.

But 14 year old kid from El Salvador has to enter and cross Guatemala, and then 1600 miles of Mexico to get to Arizona. Someone is letting him through the boarders, not requiring any documentation or protocols. Then someone has got to be helping them, feeding them. Even the intrepid can not walk nearly 2000 miles without food. Whoever is helping is not doing it for free.
Something is out of focus in this picture.
The wail over the image of the kid finally getting feed daily at the US boarder is totally misguided and misses the mark badly.
 
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My wife is from Taiwan...we speak Mandarin in public all the time.....funny...all the years I lived overseas American tourists never stopped speaking English wherever they went....false sense of entitlement...I've been to Korea several times...our honeymoon was in Naha Okinawa
I can speak and read a little Korean. They have an alphabet of approx. 25 characters with about 9 or 10 dipthongs. Their language is phonetic and not at all difficult to learn. They really are a terribly polite people. My wife can't stand rude people. Well, neither can I. We wear no shoes in the house. Our floors are very very clean.
 
Funny you should ask...

http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/viewsubcategory.asp?id=1237

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/201...pulist-government-pushes-soros-crackdown.html

Hungary's pro-Trump, populist government pushes Soros crackdown
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By Adam Shaw | Fox News
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Hungarian Prime Minister Viktor Orban is engaging in a crackdown on George Soros' organization. (AP)

Hungary’s populist government is brimming with confidence after a comfortable election win in April, and is pushing ahead with tough policies on immigration and combating the influence of left-wing Hungarian-American billionaire George Soros.

President Trump spoke with Prime Minister Viktor Orban last week, congratulating him on the formation of the new government.

According to a readout from the White House, the two “agreed on the need for strong national borders” and pledged to keep relations between the two countries strong.

While Orban’s Fidesz Party had been expected to win the election, analysts had cautioned that the party’s decision to campaign almost exclusively on the issue of mass migration could hurt its standing as voters’ focus was elsewhere. Allegations of corruption and authoritarianism from human rights groups also risked damaging Fidesz’s standing in the polls.

But Fidesz’ focus paid off, and the party emerged with a strong majority in the Hungarian parliament. Now, the populist government is cracking down not only on immigration but also the influence of Soros, whom Orban has accused of leading a “mercenary army” via his non-governmental groups.

“George Soros had a clear target, to beat this government, to fire this government but that was not very successful, let’s put it this way,” Hungarian Foreign Minister Peter Szijjarto told Fox News in a recent interview in New York.

On Wednesday, the Hungarian Parliament passed the “Stop Soros” bill, including a measure making it illegal for non-governmental organizations (NGOs) to organize illegal immigration into the country. Such organization can range from financial support to the distribution and preparation of information and pamphlets.

SOROS GROUP PULLS OUT OF HUNGARY AS ORBAN GOVERNMENT FLOATS 'STOP SOROS' PACKAGE


The law would punish individuals engaging in such activities with up to 12 months in jail. The government has also floated a 25 percent tax for any foreign funding for NGOs helping migrants.

“This strengthened protection is needed because the mass immigration afflicting Europe is continuous, while the Soros network and the pro-immigration policy of Brussels are creating the threat of attempts to also swamp our country with migrants,” Orban’s office said in a statement.

While the legislation targets any non-governmental organization, Szijjarto made it clear who the government was targeting: “Soros is the number one organizer of such activities.”

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Soros is in the crosshairs of the Hungarian government. (AP)

The government’s anti-Soros activities and rhetoric have not gone unnoticed. Soros’ Open Society Foundation has moved its Budapest offices to Berlin after what it described as a “repressive political and legal environment.”

“The government of Hungary has denigrated and misrepresented our work and repressed civil society for the sake of political gain, using tactics unprecedented in the history of the European Union,” Patrick Gaspard, president of the Open Society Foundations and a former Obama White House political affairs director, said in a statement last month.

“The so-called Stop Soros package of laws is only the latest in a series of such attempts. It has become impossible to protect the security of our operations and our staff in Hungary from arbitrary government interference.”

Amnesty International’s Europe Director told The New York Times that the new law marked “a new low point in an intensifying crackdown on civil society and it is something we will resist every step of the way.”

Hungary has long been a pariah in the eyes of the European Union and United Nations, and was one of the few governments to initially push back against the opening of Europe’s borders during the 2015 migration crisis.

But it has also drawn close to the Trump administration and has welcomed some comparisons to the Trump movement -- noting that it has built a fence on the border and deployed troops to secure it. Szijjarto recently met with Secretary of State Mike Pompeo in Washington, the first such meeting in six years, where the State Department said they discussed increased U.S. investment in Hungary, as well as a defense cooperation agreement.

The Hungarian government is likely to be buoyed also by Trump’s criticism of more liberal immigration policies in Europe, particularly in Germany.

“Big mistake made all over Europe in allowing millions of people in who have so strongly and violently changed their culture!” Trump tweeted on Monday.

Speaking to Fox News, Szijjarto echoed a similar sentiment and said that shutting down mass migration was not just about economics, but also about security and culture.

"We don't want a post-national and post-Christian European Union. We want a Christian European Union based on strong member states," he said.

Orban’s dominance in Hungary comes as populist and nationalist parties have picked up significant wins throughout the continent.

Italy recently installed a populist government which has taken a tough line on immigration, while in Germany Chancellor Angela Merkel is scrambling to keep her fragile coalition together amid feuds over migration policy.
Fox News - You gotta be kidding me.
 
I don't think so dog.

You don't think America is why people come to America? That's rather sad. America is a dream, a beacon to the rest of the world. You and @MARIS61 seem to think that majority of people want to come here to use it, abuse it, and pervert it. That's simply not true. Go to a citizenship swearing in ceremony sometime. Witness the tears of happiness and joy when they become citizens. It's not because they've just won some welfare lottery, it's because they understand and have achieved something special, membership in this great country.

I don't know how Dad got here but I do know it is 70 some miles from Cuba to the Keys by boat. Only the intrepid make it, but still, doable.

My grandparents could see the growing revolution in Cuba so they moved to Venezuela when my dad was 12 yrs old. It was very tough for them being Hungarian immigrants from Cuba there, especially since civil war broke out in Venezuela soon after their arrival. My dad never returned to school and instead got a job as a courier for Juan and Eva Peron when they were living in exile in Caracas. The bank that he was taking financial papers back and forth for Peron for eventually hired my dad. My dad worked as a teller in the bank and applied to immigrate to the US. My dad came to America at age 21 and worked while using the horrible "chain migration" to bring his mother, father, and brother to this country. Once they arrived my father enlisted in the Air Force, passed his GED on the first try in English, got his citizenship, and married and knocked up a nice American girl.
 
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My wife is from Taiwan...we speak Mandarin in public all the time.....funny...all the years I lived overseas American tourists never stopped speaking English wherever they went....false sense of entitlement...I've been to Korea several times...our honeymoon was in Naha Okinawa
Damn River, you romantic freakin’ devil! A honeymoon in NAHA????? I can only pray it has changed since I last saw it in 1974........of course I honeymooned with my wife in Yachats so maybe I’m not one to talk.....

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Venezuela when my dad was 12 yrs old. It was very tough for them being Hungarian immigrants from

Damn!
When I was a consultant working out of Palo Alto Square in Palo Alto, I worked with a guy that had immigrated from Venezuela several years before. His family including him as a boy emigrated from Hungary about 1956. He was a computer performance analyst, really swift with mathematics. I enjoyed talking with him, occasional we even teamed up for work.

I will skip comment on the fist part here because you inferred the illogical rather than following the point.

Ha! I just remembered his name, Hank Drews! No doubt Drews was shortened up from something. Perhaps Drewski.
 
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There is a report that the little girl featured on the cover of Time magazine with Trump towering over her, was not separated from her mother. She had become a symble of the separation issue.

This is no to be confused with 2000 children that were separated from there families.
 
Damn River, you romantic freakin’ devil! A honeymoon in NAHA????? I can only pray it has changed since I last saw it in 1974........of course I honeymooned with my wife in Yachats so maybe I’m not one to talk.....

:blush:
In 89 when we went there after our wedding in Taipei, it was changed from 71 when I first went there....the Navy was gone for one thing...there was a Hells Angels Asian tour going on though...made for a lively night life....damned expensive though....not a cheap place to vacation....beautiful island...we hiked and went through the Guokusendo caves....longest man made cave on the planet...
 
There is a report that the little girl featured on the cover of Time magazine with Trump towering over her, was not separated from her mother.

Yes and mother is seeking asylum. She left her husband with their child and is now seeking asylum by entering illegally.
 
You don't think America is why people come to America? That's rather sad. America is a dream, a beacon to the rest of the world. You and @MARIS61 seem to think that majority of people want to come here to use it, abuse it, and pervert it. That's simply not true. Go to a citizenship swearing in ceremony sometime. Witness the tears of happiness and joy when they become citizens. It's not because they've just won some welfare lottery, it's because they understand and have achieved something special, membership in this great country.

Let's make a huge dent in the illegal population and replace them with some of the 4 million waiting in line.

https://cis.org/Vaughan/Waiting-List-Legal-Immigrant-Visas-Keeps-Growing
 
Damn River, you romantic freakin’ devil! A honeymoon in NAHA????? I can only pray it has changed since I last saw it in 1974........of course I honeymooned with my wife in Yachats so maybe I’m not one to talk.....

:blush:
Last time my wife and I had a weekend at the beach together was a bungalow in Yachats....the wind was so bad looking at the ocean was like standing in front of a sandblaster and that little grocery store charged about 8 bucks for a loaf of bread....beautiful bay though...steamed some mussels and had some nice wine
 
In 89 when we went there after our wedding in Taipei, it was changed from 71 when I first went there....the Navy was gone for one thing...there was a Hells Angels Asian tour going on though...made for a lively night life....damned expensive though....not a cheap place to vacation....beautiful island...we hiked and went through the Guokusendo caves....longest man made cave on the planet...

The last time I was in Okinawa, I was testing a silencer we built in the Hector's machine shop for a .270 Winchester. Had to use an odd powder load to get that to work somewhat acceptable.
 
You don't think America is why people come to America? That's rather sad. America is a dream, a beacon to the rest of the world. You and @MARIS61 seem to think that majority of people want to come here to use it, abuse it, and pervert it. That's simply not true. Go to a citizenship swearing in ceremony sometime. Witness the tears of happiness and joy when they become citizens. It's not because they've just won some welfare lottery, it's because they understand and have achieved something special, membership in this great country.



My grandparents could see the growing revolution in Cuba so they moved to Venezuela when my dad was 12 yrs old. It was very tough for them being Hungarian immigrants from Cuba there, especially since civil war broke out in Venezuela soon after their arrival. My dad never returned to school and instead got a job as a courier for Juan and Eva Peron when they were living in exile in Caracas. The bank that he was taking financial papers back and forth for Peron for eventually hired my dad. My dad worked as a teller in the bank and applied to immigrate to the US. My dad came to America at age 21 and worked while using the horrible "chain migration" to bring his mother, father, and brother to this country. Once they arrived my father enlisted in the Air Force, passed his GED on the first try in English, got his citizenship, and married and knocked up a nice American girl.
Great story.

Never met your dad but I'd certainly like to. Your mom is wonderful so I'm not surprised you turned out so well.
 
Last time my wife and I had a weekend at the beach together was a bungalow in Yachats....the wind was so bad looking at the ocean was like standing in front of a sandblaster and that little grocery store charged about 8 bucks for a loaf of bread....beautiful bay though...steamed some mussels and had some nice wine
Can't stand mussels. I guess it comes from when I was a kid and mussels were considered trash. My wife loves them, though. Also, a lot of seafood dishes include mussels. Wish I was born a little later.
 
OMG, is Bodyman the guy that founded Fixodent?

Probably not. But I would like to be the guy that founded Rent A Dent! It was a company in Alaska, The guy sold it for a bunch. Now I don't even see it listed in Alaska
but it is in New Zealand and Serbia. Ha! Not so reputable now I guess.
 
Your post is dripping with emotion.
so what....you keep defining people around here with these exaggerated so called character flaws...Sly's post was very human and worth sharing...your tirade seems a bit more self centered...good luck with that. You may not realize it Marz but you rarely answer your own questions...I find your sensationalized take on immigrants in America to be very emotional..just not heartfelt...you should take a few trips to Calcutta, Hong kong, Mexico City and when you return it won't seem so crowded.....my wife won't run you over unless you're jay walking
 
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just not heartfelt.

>>> Exactly! This is not the subject to decide with emotion. We need a hard ass look at what we are about to fuck up.

you should take a few trips to Calcutta, Hong kong, Mexico City and when you return it won't seem so crowded
>>> What is the hell makes you think I have not been to these places? Who the hell wants to come even close to screwing this country up that bad?
I don't even want a hint of crowded. Anyone with any sense does not either.

Heartfelt my ass! Think with your brains man!
 
What is the hell makes you think I have not been to these places?
you mistakenly think our country or even continent is the worst overcrowded place on the planet...either you haven't been to those places or you are exaggerating...we have more tillable land and potable water than most nations....our population per sq mile isn't even close to the worst....think with your brain and the other ones in your freezer man!
 
you mistakenly think our country or even continent is the worst overcrowded place on the planet...either you haven't been to those places or you are exaggerating...we have more tillable land and potable water than most nations....our population per sq mile isn't even close to the worst....think with your brain and the other ones in your freezer man!

I apologize river. I sent you the wrong tax bill.
 
you mistakenly think our country or even continent is the worst overcrowded place on the planet...either you haven't been to those places or you are exaggerating...we have more tillable land and potable water than most nations....our population per sq mile isn't even close to the worst....think with your brain and the other ones in your freezer man!
The planet is overcrowded. Entirely.

Ask California what happens when Lake Mead drops below the level of the last intake they have access to. We're building one for us below that level.
 

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