The last time we had a motley crew of rejects...

[Natebishop3]

Doesn't Vonleh play the 4? I mean, Beibs has shown spots of being good at the 5. Plus, he can stretch the floor and bring the center out of the key, giving more lanes to drive.

However, I do agree, now that I think about that, that Beibs may not be able to if he's "facilitating" in that way.

It's a toss up for that POTENTIAL 3rd AS, if there is one.

I think they're both stretch fours. Biebs has the size to play center, but they're very similar. I think Plumlee is a better prospect to play center long term. He's your prototypical banger, touch guy, athletic big. Reminds me a bit of Przybilla.

 

[BlazerWookee]

I don't know what you guys are seeing that I just am not. I go away for awhile and this place gets filled up with a bunch of nut jobs! Unrealistic nut jobs at that! Is your allegiance to our boys so strong that what little common sense some of you did have has disappeared? What the hell happened?

Mrs. HCP quit giving nut jobs to nut jobs.

 

[UncleCliffy'sDaddy]

He didn't say they would be an All-Star this year. He said 3 guys who could eventually become All-Stars.

Looking at our roster, I think Vonleh has the potential. It really all depends on winning. Did anyone REALLY think that Kyle Korver would be an All-Star? With that in mind, it's possible guys like Aminu, CJ, or Leonard could one day get a nod. Maybe Plumlee even, but that's less likely now that there isn't a "center" position, which is how guys like Jamaal Magloire got an All-Star spot.

Your Korver and Magloire analogies are spot on. Who'd a thunk either one of those supposedly journeyman or "niche" players being an All Star? With some players, situation can be everything.

 

[THE HCP]

She says HI by the way!

 

[BlazerWookee]

She says HI by the way!View attachment 6045

Been there, done that, bought a tee shirt, and it shrank...

 

[Natebishop3]

Apparently HCP and Canzano agree with each other.

Don't be fooled, no matter what anyone said, the Trail Blazers are not a playoff team. They're not built to even dream about a playoff berth. The Blazers opened their annual Media Day on Monday sitting $13 million below the minimumsalary every NBA team must spend with general manager Neil Olshey selling semantics.

"The goal of this team is to compete at the highest level it's capable of," he said.

As opposed to what?

Shooting low?

I don't know what I expected the Blazers to say on a day in which executives of the Warriors, Spurs, Cavs, Thunder and Clippers are seriously talking about winning a championship. Nor do I believe Olshey as he says that the goal of all 30 NBA teams this season is to make the playoffs.

We know better. That number is probably closer to 20 than 30, which is only to say Monday was a pretty good example of what's wrong with the NBA and how the Blazers are a perfect case study.

http://www.oregonlive.com/sports/or...nzano_trail_blazers_media_da.html#incart_2box

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

Bollocks. If we have a locker room leader with character instead of a character as a locker room leader, there's no freaking way we don't make the Finals in 2000.

We had Scottie Pippen.

sent from a phone you've probably never heard of

 

[Strenuus]

I think they're both stretch fours. Biebs has the size to play center, but they're very similar. I think Plumlee is a better prospect to play center long term. He's your prototypical banger, touch guy, athletic big. Reminds me a bit of Przybilla.

Good point about Plumlee. Beibs is gonna want minutes somewhere.

I liked the post because you said Beibs.

 

[blue9]

Long term, I don't see how both could be successful on this team. They essentially play the same position. At some point, someone will have to go.

I don't agree at all. If Vonleh pans out, and Meyers continues in the direction he was trending, that's the ideal situation. In that case they're both starters, with Vonleh at the PF and Meyers at C. Meyers has the shooting and passing abilities to be a great high-post player, and Vonleh has the legs/ass to play the low-post. They'd be very interchangeable players with both of them having the ability to play inside or out, and it'd be a nightmare for the opposition.
But first Vonleh needs to prove he can play, and Meyers needs to prove he can remain consistent with a larger role.

 

[THE HCP]

Apparently HCP and Canzano agree with each other.



http://www.oregonlive.com/sports/or...nzano_trail_blazers_media_da.html#incart_2box

You know you've said some really rude things to me in the past, but this WAY out of line!

 

[Natebishop3]

Good point about Plumlee. Beibs is gonna want minutes somewhere.

I liked the post because you said Beibs.

I think it's great that we have a stable of young, athletic, talented bigs right now, but something is gonna have to give.

Alexander - 19 years old (assuming we keep him)
Vonleh - 20 years old
Leonard- 23 years old
Plumlee - 25 years old
Davis - 26 years old

 

[Natebishop3]

I don't agree at all. If Vonleh pans out, and Meyers continues in the direction he was trending, that's the ideal situation. In that case they're both starters, with Vonleh at the PF and Meyers at C. Meyers has the shooting and passing abilities to be a great high-post player, and Vonleh has the legs/ass to play the low-post. They'd be very interchangeable players with both of them having the ability to play inside or out, and it'd be a nightmare for the opposition.
But first Vonleh needs to prove he can play, and Meyers needs to prove he can remain consistent with a larger role.

Vonleh shoots the three. He's actually a good shooter.

 

[blue9]

I think eventually Plumlee will get flipped for a wing.

 

[Natebishop3]

I think eventually Plumlee will get flipped for a wing.

I think it will be Davis. I think Plumlee is the kind of tough, physical, athletic center that all teams need.

 

[blue9]

Vonleh shoots the three. He's actually a good shooter.

I know. (Well, I've read.) That's why I said they're interchangeable and can both play inside/outside. But primarily I'd put him in the low post with Meyers feeding him from the high post. That's mostly because I've seen Meyers play (and haven't seen Vonleh play), and I'm fairly comfortable with the idea of Meyers passing and shooting from the perimeter. But perhaps as they develop Vonleh will prove to be better from the perimeter, and Meyers' post-game will develop, in which case roles could be swapped.
I'm just saying that if both of them pan out then they should start together, rather than trading one of them.

 

[blue9]

I think it will be Davis. I think Plumlee is the kind of tough, physical, athletic center that all teams need.

I think Meyers can be that player, too.
I don't disagree with you on Plumlee. But under the hypothetical that Vonleh/Meyers both reach their potential I think it's more likely we start them, and that Plumlee will be a more valuable trade chip than Davis. I'd prefer to keep Plumlee and trade Davis, but I think if we're eyeing an all-star level wing it's going to take Plumlee+.

 

[Natebishop3]

I know. (Well, I've read.) That's why I said they're interchangeable and can both play inside/outside. But primarily I'd put him in the low post with Meyers feeding him from the high post. That's mostly because I've seen Meyers play (and haven't seen Vonleh play), and I'm fairly comfortable with the idea of Meyers passing and shooting from the perimeter. But perhaps as they develop Vonleh will prove to be better from the perimeter, and Meyers' post-game will develop, in which case roles could be swapped.
I'm just saying that if both of them pan out then they should start together, rather than trading one of them.

I just see them both as stretch fours who space the floor and play the high pick-and-roll with Dame. That's the role that they've had Meyers in, and I think Vonleh will play a similar role this upcoming season. Conversely, I think Davis and Plumlee are low-post guys. They like to play physical basketball in the paint. Meyers hasn't really shown much of a desire or talent for playing in the post.

 

[blue9]

Conversely, I think Davis and Plumlee are low-post guys. They like to play physical basketball in the paint. Meyers hasn't really shown much of a desire or talent for playing in the post.

Yes, Davis/Plumlee are pure low-post players. We should definitely keep one of them. But I prefer versatility, which is what you get with Vonleh/Meyers. And I disagree that Meyers hasn't shown desire/ability for playing in the post. He's certainly not as polished in the post as on the perimeter, but he's shown enough flashes for me to think that he can be adequate in the paint. He's got a great touch around the basket. And he's certainly not afraid of contact like LMA is - he seems to like to get a little dirty. But the videos I've seen of Vonleh make me think he'd be a better primary low-post player.

 

[Natebishop3]

Yes, Davis/Plumlee are pure low-post players. We should definitely keep one of them. But I prefer versatility, which is what you get with Vonleh/Meyers. And I disagree that Meyers hasn't shown desire/ability for playing in the post. He's certainly not as polished in the post as on the perimeter, but he's shown enough flashes for me to think that he can be adequate in the paint. He's got a great touch around the basket. And he's certainly not afraid of contact like LMA is - he seems to like to get a little dirty. But the videos I've seen of Vonleh make me think he'd be a better primary low-post player.

Well, the beauty of this season is that we're going to get to see it. I hope Stotts will try a lot of different lineups and give guys a real shot to show what they can do.

 

[blue9]

Well, the beauty of this season is that we're going to get to see it. I hope Stotts will try a lot of different lineups and give guys a real shot to show what they can do.

Yeah, he better not yank guys off the floor for making a couple mistakes. Give them the chance to play through, and learn from their mistakes.

 

[Strenuus]

Yeah, he better not yank guys off the floor for making a couple mistakes. Give them the chance to play through, and learn from their mistakes.

I wonder who would be the McMilliam "Batum sit in a corner... oh you made a mistake? sit down." guy for Stotts, if there is one?

 

[Natebishop3]

I wonder who would be the McMilliam "Batum sit in a corner... oh you made a mistake? sit down." guy for Stotts, if there is one?

I thought Crabbe inherited that role.

 

[Strenuus]

I thought Crabbe inherited that role.

That's different. He got time as a starter and got to work through a lot of mistakes. Plus, he was the 4th option. Batum had to be perfect... and wasn't, and couldn't be.

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

I think it's great that we have a stable of young, athletic, talented bigs right now, but something is gonna have to give.

Alexander - 19 years old (assuming we keep him)
Vonleh - 20 years old
Leonard- 23 years old
Plumlee - 25 years old
Davis - 26 years old

I think we're going to have Davis as our starting PF for a few years, then Vonleh will take his starting spot and Davis will be the perfect backup. I think Plumlee will be the starting 5 and Leonard will float as a backup 5 or 4 or will be trade bait for a contender looking for a guy to shoot 3s unexpectedly. I think Alexander will be there for insurance and just kind of minor contributions. Maybe hone his game in the D-league some to get some more PT.

I think our playoff lineup in a few years will be:

Lillard
(FA all star SG)
Aminu
Vonleh
Plumlee or #1 Lotto Pick Center that isn't a bust LaBissere

 

[Natebishop3]

I think we're going to have Davis as our starting PF for a few years, then Vonleh will take his starting spot and Davis will be the perfect backup. I think Plumlee will be the starting 5 and Leonard will float as a backup 5 or 4 or will be trade bait for a contender looking for a guy to shoot 3s unexpectedly. I think Alexander will be there for insurance and just kind of minor contributions. Maybe hone his game in the D-league some to get some more PT.

I think our playoff lineup in a few years will be:

Lillard
(FA all star SG)
Aminu
Vonleh
Plumlee or #1 Lotto Pick Center that isn't a bust LaBissere

I don't think Davis/Plumlee is a good matchup. I don't think either of them are shooters. Stotts no likey.

 

[Boob-No-More]

You know you've said some really rude things to me in the past, but this WAY out of line!

Line = crossed.

That's almost ban worthy, almost...

BNM

 

[Natebishop3]

Line = crossed.

That's almost ban worthy, almost...

BNM

I mean... HCP and Canzano have a lot in common.

A lack of hair...

An ego bigger than the Moda Center...

Famous wives...

I could go on and on and on.

 

[Strenuus]

I mean... HCP and Canzano have a lot in common.

A lack of hair...

An ego bigger than the Moda Center...

Famous wives...

I could go on and on and on.

Canzano has a famous wife? I only know about HCP's.

#thelegend

 

[Natebishop3]

Canzano has a famous wife? I only know about HCP's.

#thelegend

Well, famous locally.... kinda.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anna_Canzano

 

[Strenuus]

Well, famous locally.... kinda.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anna_Canzano

HCP's is globally. This is piddly business.