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[MarAzul]

Today, I placed my Beretta 22 pistol on the table right next to my front door I left its clip beside it, then left it alone and went about my business.
While I was gone, the mailman delivered my mail, the neighbor's son across the street mowed the yard, a girl walked her dog down the street, and quite a few cars stopped at the "stop" sign near the front of my house.
After about an hour, I checked on the gun It was quietly sitting there, right where I had left it. It had not moved itself outside. It had not killed anyone. Certainly, even with the numerous opportunities it had presented to do that. In fact, it had not even loaded itself. Well you can imagine my surprise, with all the hype by the Left and the media, about how dangerous guns are and “How They” kill people. Either the media is wrong, or I'm in possession of the laziest gun in the world.
The United States is 3rd in murders throughout the world. But if you take out just 5 cities--Chicago, Detroit, Washington DC, St Louis and New Orleans--the United States is 4th from the bottom, in the ENTIRE world, for murders.
These 5 cities have the toughest gun control laws in the USA. It would be absurd to draw any conclusions from this data, right?

 

[SlyPokerDog]

The United States is 3rd in murders throughout the world. But if you take out just 5 cities--Chicago, Detroit, Washington DC, St Louis and New Orleans--the United States is 4th from the bottom, in the ENTIRE world, for murders.

Those numbers are complete bullshit.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

It would be absurd to draw any conclusions from this data, right?

It would be absurd to draw any conclusions from the email you copied that from.

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

You must have left it in a white/Asian neighborhood, because there is a direct correlation between that and gun deaths across the earth.

 

[Further]

it's a bs story bro, try that with a .45 and it'll go on a rampage as soon as you turn around.



.22, ha

 

[Jade Falcon]

Those numbers are complete bullshit.

Prove it. Seems reasonable to me. Especially about Chicago.....strictest gun control of any city in America, and yet they break records year after year for gang shootings and murders.

Sooner or later, people on the Left are going to have to figure it out: it's not a gun problem, it's a society problem. Lack of good education, lack of jobs, drug addictions, and crippling poverty are the real factors here. Not guns.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

Prove it. Seems reasonable to me. Especially about Chicago.....strictest gun control of any city in America, and yet they break records year after year for gang shootings and murders.

Sooner or later, people on the Left are going to have to figure it out: it's not a gun problem, it's a society problem. Lack of good education, lack of jobs, drug addictions, and crippling poverty are the real factors here. Not guns.

"Third in murders" by what metric? If by the normal measurement - murders per capita, the U.S. ranks on one scale at 99th. Murder rate per million people If it's murder by firearm per capita, we rank 10th. Murders with firearms per million.

So the first assertion is in error, significantly. The second is based on the first, but let's examine it anyway.

According to the CDC's WISQARS tool, in 2014 there were 15,809 homicides in the U.S. for a rate of 4.96/100,000 (which probably dropped us out of the top-100 internationally.) However, Chicago contributed 427 deaths to that total. Detroit had a record low - 300. Washington D.C. contributed 97. New Orleans had 150. So that's a total of 974 out of 15,809, which would drop the rate from 4.96/100,000 to 4.65 - not a really significant change.

https://www.quora.com/Is-it-true-th...lowest-when-you-discount-certain-major-cities

 

[Jade Falcon]

"Third in murders" by what metric? If by the normal measurement - murders per capita, the U.S. ranks on one scale at 99th. Murder rate per million people If it's murder by firearm per capita, we rank 10th. Murders with firearms per million.

So the first assertion is in error, significantly. The second is based on the first, but let's examine it anyway.

According to the CDC's WISQARS tool, in 2014 there were 15,809 homicides in the U.S. for a rate of 4.96/100,000 (which probably dropped us out of the top-100 internationally.) However, Chicago contributed 427 deaths to that total. Detroit had a record low - 300. Washington D.C. contributed 97. New Orleans had 150. So that's a total of 974 out of 15,809, which would drop the rate from 4.96/100,000 to 4.65 - not a really significant change.

https://www.quora.com/Is-it-true-th...lowest-when-you-discount-certain-major-cities

You are correct that the first number "Third in murders" was bullshit. However, the point still clearly stands; even by your links: take out certain major metropolitan cities, and we're actually pretty low on the violent crime list.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

You are correct that the first number "Third in murders" was bullshit. However, the point still clearly stands; even by your links: take out certain major metropolitan cities, and we're actually pretty low on the violent crime list.

No point clearly or vaguely stands.

We're low with those cities in.

If the first number is bullshit then the entire premise is bullshit.

 

[Jade Falcon]

No point clearly or vaguely stands.

We're low with those cities in.

If the first number is bullshit then the entire premise is bullshit.

Then tell that to anti-gun and/or ignorant Liberals and Democrats who promote Gun Control. Because every time there's a shooting, I have to listen to those self-righteous assholes lecture me about how we're the most violent country on Earth, the NRA and its members are evil, guns act on their own, gun owners deserve to be shot, etc etc.....which then dissolves into a giant pissing fest about Trump.

Go tell it to them. Please.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

Then tell that to anti-gun and/or ignorant Liberals and Democrats who promote Gun Control. Because every time there's a shooting, I have to listen to those self-righteous assholes lecture me about how we're the most violent country on Earth, the NRA and its members are evil, guns act on their own, gun owners deserve to be shot, etc etc.....which then dissolves into a giant pissing fest about Trump.

Go tell it to them. Please.

What did you want me to tell them? Nothing wrong with some gun control. Hell, even you support some gun control. We've had this discussion.

But starting or supporting a discussion about gun control using completely inaccurate facts doesn't help.

 

[Jade Falcon]

What did you want me to tell them? Nothing wrong with some gun control. Hell, even you support some gun control. We've had this discussion.

But starting or supporting a discussion about gun control using completely inaccurate facts doesn't help.

"A" number is inaccurate ("third in murders")...but not all of them. And yeah, take out some major metropolitan cities, and our violent crime numbers drop dramatically. Your links even said as much.

And I don't support EXTRA gun control. I support SOME of the system we already have in place. Just wanted to clarify that.

 

[rasheedfan2005]

Not even written by a real gun owner because a real gun owner would call the "clip" a mag. And clearly the only reason the gun didnt load itself is because the mag held under 10 rounds thanks to being in compliance with californian law. All hail governor arnold.

 

[andalusian]

Prove it. Seems reasonable to me. Especially about Chicago.....strictest gun control of any city in America, and yet they break records year after year for gang shootings and murders.

It is time to stop with this non-truth as well. Chicago does not have the strictest gun control in the nation - this was true in 2007 - but series of law changes have seen it's gun control diminished.

"New York, in fact, has stricter gun laws on the books than Chicago. And guess what? Its homicide numbers are heading toward historic lows. Los Angeles has some pretty tough gun laws too. Its homicide numbers also pale compared with Chicago’s."

Even if it did - studies showed that most of the weapons found in crimes in Chicago originated in Indiana (a hop, skip and a jump from Chicago) - where gun control is lacking.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/...l-chicago-dahleen-glanton-20171003-story.html

"While Illinois has gone to great lengths to see that background checks are done for all gun purchases, Indiana has done the opposite. To buy a weapon in Illinois, the owner must have a valid firearms owner’s identification card, issued by the Illinois State Police.

With no permit or license required to purchase a gun in Indiana, it is incredibly easy for a trafficker to drive across the state line, obtain a gun and use it to commit a homicide on the streets of Chicago."


If anything - the numbers show that gun control, as long as it is federally mandated - will likely be a great boon to reduce violent homicide rates.

 

[Denny Crane]

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news...special-report-fixing-gun-violence-in-america

The map of America’s gun violence epidemic can seem overwhelming. There were more than 13,000 gun homicides in the US in 2015, across nearly 3,500 cities and towns. But the toll of this gun violence was not distributed equally.

Half of America's gun homicides in 2015 were clustered in just 127 cities and towns, according to a new geographic analysis by the Guardian, even though they contain less than a quarter of the nation’s population.

Even within those cities, violence is further concentrated in the tiny neighborhood areas that saw two or more gun homicide incidents in a single year.

Four and a half million Americans live in areas of these cities with the highest numbers of gun homicide, which are marked by intense poverty, low levels of education, and racial segregation. Geographically, these neighborhood areas are small: a total of about 1,200 neighborhood census tracts, which, laid side by side, would fit into an area just 42 miles wide by 42 miles long.

The problem they face is devastating. Though these neighborhood areas contain just 1.5% of the country’s population, they saw 26% of America’s total gun homicides.

Gun control advocates say it is unacceptable that Americans overall are "25 times more likely to be murdered with a gun than people in other developed countries". People who live in these neighborhood areas face an average gun homicide rate about 400 times higher than the rate across those high-income countries.

Understanding this dramatic clustering of America’s of gun violence is crucial for the effort to save more lives.

“We can’t do much about crime prevention of homicide if we try to attack it as a broad, global problem, throwing money at it in a sort of broad, global way,” said David Weisburd, a leading researcher on the geographic distribution of crime at George Mason University.

 

[DaLincolnJones]

Nice post, Denny.

 

[Denny Crane]

It clearly is an issue with poverty and how we treat people in those concentrated areas.

Having been raised in Chicago, I witnessed how these neighborhoods got concentrated in the first place. It's not pretty, and it has nothing really to do with who the people actually are.

Treating the source of the problem would reduce the effects by a lot.

 

[Jade Falcon]

It is time to stop with this non-truth as well. Chicago does not have the strictest gun control in the nation - this was true in 2007 - but series of law changes have seen it's gun control diminished.

"New York, in fact, has stricter gun laws on the books than Chicago. And guess what? Its homicide numbers are heading toward historic lows. Los Angeles has some pretty tough gun laws too. Its homicide numbers also pale compared with Chicago’s."

Even if it did - studies showed that most of the weapons found in crimes in Chicago originated in Indiana (a hop, skip and a jump from Chicago) - where gun control is lacking.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/...l-chicago-dahleen-glanton-20171003-story.html

"While Illinois has gone to great lengths to see that background checks are done for all gun purchases, Indiana has done the opposite. To buy a weapon in Illinois, the owner must have a valid firearms owner’s identification card, issued by the Illinois State Police.

With no permit or license required to purchase a gun in Indiana, it is incredibly easy for a trafficker to drive across the state line, obtain a gun and use it to commit a homicide on the streets of Chicago."


If anything - the numbers show that gun control, as long as it is federally mandated - will likely be a great boon to reduce violent homicide rates.

"Gun Lovers".....oh yes, what a completely unbiased source of information......

It is time to stop with this non-truth as well. You have one link from a biased newspaper that has been supporting gun control for decades. In Chicago, of all places....the very place where it is proven that gun control doesn't work. And I don't buy for one minute that Chicago does not have stricter gun control than New York City. They're both Liberal shitholes that don't support freedom, but Chicago is far worse, as they won't actually address proper solutions to gang violence.

Homicides and violent crimes across the nation are at all-time lows; in some places even historically so. Pointing at one city with strict gun control (New York) and claiming a victory for more gun control is completely disingenuous. And the numbers are down in Conservative, freedom-supporting places like Texas, Arizona, and the like.

Denny said it best: focus on poverty, education, and jobs if you want to make REAL change in violent crime. Because arguing for gun control on the issue of violent crime or gang violence is the equivalent of fighting a 1 million acre wildfire with nothing more than a watering can. It DOESN'T WORK.

With no permit or license required to purchase a gun in Indiana, it is incredibly easy for a trafficker to drive across the state line, obtain a gun and use it to commit a homicide on the streets of Chicago.

They've been spouting this bullshit for years. Nothing new here. That would be like blaming Vancouver for the crimes committed in Portland with a gun. It's complete horseshit. And surprise surprise....it's actually CHEAPER to buy a gun in Oregon than it is in Washington.

 

[andalusian]

Liberal shitholes that don't support freedom

Hard to take you seriously when you claim bias and follow it with the above. The report clearly provides information about why the gun laws are not that tough in Chicago anymore. These are documented law changes, nothing to fight about there.

FWIW - The Chicago tribune is not exactly Mother Jones. In 2016 they endorsed the Libertarian party candidate for office...

They've been spouting this bullshit for years. Nothing new here. That would be like blaming Vancouver for the crimes committed in Portland with a gun. It's complete horseshit. And surprise surprise....it's actually CHEAPER to buy a gun in Oregon than it is in Washington.

The data comes directly from the GTR report

https://www.cityofchicago.org/content/dam/city/depts/mayor/Press Room/Press Releases/2017/October/GTR2017.pdf

and the university of Chicago research

https://urbanlabs.uchicago.edu/attachments/store/2435a5d4658e2ca19f4f225b810ce0dbdb9231cbdb8d702e784087469ee3/UChicagoCrimeLab Gun Violence in Chicago 2016.pdf

 

[Chris Craig]

Today, I placed my Beretta 22 pistol on the table right next to my front door I left its clip beside it, then left it alone and went about my business.
While I was gone, the mailman delivered my mail, the neighbor's son across the street mowed the yard, a girl walked her dog down the street, and quite a few cars stopped at the "stop" sign near the front of my house.
After about an hour, I checked on the gun It was quietly sitting there, right where I had left it. It had not moved itself outside. It had not killed anyone. Certainly, even with the numerous opportunities it had presented to do that. In fact, it had not even loaded itself. Well you can imagine my surprise, with all the hype by the Left and the media, about how dangerous guns are and “How They” kill people. Either the media is wrong, or I'm in possession of the laziest gun in the world.
The United States is 3rd in murders throughout the world. But if you take out just 5 cities--Chicago, Detroit, Washington DC, St Louis and New Orleans--the United States is 4th from the bottom, in the ENTIRE world, for murders.
These 5 cities have the toughest gun control laws in the USA. It would be absurd to draw any conclusions from this data, right?

People kill people. Stupid people with guns.

 

[Denny Crane]

When I was growing up in Chicago, the fingerprints of government were all over the segregation of the people. Those who love government wanted government to provide housing for the poor, so they created these housing "projects" in most of the northern big cities (Chicago, Detroit, NYC, etc.). They built shiny new buildings and made it out to be a country club. They invited the "poor" (i.e. black people) to move in and then built freeways around them to mark the boundaries (and keep the people in). Segregation through civil planning.

What they should have done is provide people with vouchers so they could find their own housing. I know as a landlord that I would prefer the guaranteed government money over taking a risk on someone who might be a deadbeat.

Instead of X square blocks of black residents, 2 out of every 10 homes in most neighborhoods would be black residents. The opposite of segregation.

 

[BrianFromWA]

When I was growing up in Chicago, the fingerprints of government were all over the segregation of the people. Those who love government wanted government to provide housing for the poor, so they created these housing "projects" in most of the northern big cities (Chicago, Detroit, NYC, etc.). They built shiny new buildings and made it out to be a country club. They invited the "poor" (i.e. black people) to move in and then built freeways around them to mark the boundaries (and keep the people in). Segregation through civil planning.

What they should have done is provide people with vouchers so they could find their own housing. I know as a landlord that I would prefer the guaranteed government money over taking a risk on someone who might be a deadbeat.

Instead of X square blocks of black residents, 2 out of every 10 homes in most neighborhoods would be black residents. The opposite of segregation.

Do you, as a landlord, utilize Section 8? B/c that was a royal pain in the keister for me.

 

[dviss1]

Newsflash:

Violent crime happens when people are in closer proximity to each other. Hence the reason why it doesn't happen as much in rural areas.

 

[Denny Crane]

Do you, as a landlord, utilize Section 8? B/c that was a royal pain in the keister for me.

No, but I never discriminated against anyone who wanted to rent. Other than credit worthy. The government's vouchers are plenty credit worthy.

 

[dviss1]

@MarAzul: I'm bored.. I know! Let's burn a Strawman!!

I'm gonna go out on my boat and catch some red herring!

 

[Orion Bailey]

Prove it. Seems reasonable to me. Especially about Chicago.....strictest gun control of any city in America, and yet they break records year after year for gang shootings and murders.

Sooner or later, people on the Left are going to have to figure it out: it's not a gun problem, it's a society problem. Lack of good education, lack of jobs, drug addictions, and crippling poverty are the real factors here. Not guns.

It is time to stop with this non-truth as well. Chicago does not have the strictest gun control in the nation - this was true in 2007 - but series of law changes have seen it's gun control diminished.

"New York, in fact, has stricter gun laws on the books than Chicago. And guess what? Its homicide numbers are heading toward historic lows. Los Angeles has some pretty tough gun laws too. Its homicide numbers also pale compared with Chicago’s."

Even if it did - studies showed that most of the weapons found in crimes in Chicago originated in Indiana (a hop, skip and a jump from Chicago) - where gun control is lacking.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/...l-chicago-dahleen-glanton-20171003-story.html

"While Illinois has gone to great lengths to see that background checks are done for all gun purchases, Indiana has done the opposite. To buy a weapon in Illinois, the owner must have a valid firearms owner’s identification card, issued by the Illinois State Police.

With no permit or license required to purchase a gun in Indiana, it is incredibly easy for a trafficker to drive across the state line, obtain a gun and use it to commit a homicide on the streets of Chicago."


If anything - the numbers show that gun control, as long as it is federally mandated - will likely be a great boon to reduce violent homicide rates.

Prove it. Seems reasonable to me. Especially about Chicago.....strictest gun control of any city in America, and yet they break records year after year for gang shootings and murders.

Sooner or later, people on the Left are going to have to figure it out: it's not a gun problem, it's a society problem. Lack of good education, lack of jobs, drug addictions, and crippling poverty are the real factors here. Not guns.

It is time to stop with this non-truth as well. Chicago does not have the strictest gun control in the nation - this was true in 2007 - but series of law changes have seen it's gun control diminished.

"New York, in fact, has stricter gun laws on the books than Chicago. And guess what? Its homicide numbers are heading toward historic lows. Los Angeles has some pretty tough gun laws too. Its homicide numbers also pale compared with Chicago’s."

Even if it did - studies showed that most of the weapons found in crimes in Chicago originated in Indiana (a hop, skip and a jump from Chicago) - where gun control is lacking.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/...l-chicago-dahleen-glanton-20171003-story.html

"While Illinois has gone to great lengths to see that background checks are done for all gun purchases, Indiana has done the opposite. To buy a weapon in Illinois, the owner must have a valid firearms owner’s identification card, issued by the Illinois State Police.

With no permit or license required to purchase a gun in Indiana, it is incredibly easy for a trafficker to drive across the state line, obtain a gun and use it to commit a homicide on the streets of Chicago."


If anything - the numbers show that gun control, as long as it is federally mandated - will likely be a great boon to reduce violent homicide rates.

Not jumping into the conversation one way or another other than to comment on Gary Indiana. Basically South Chicago.
Ive never seen 30 story buildings boarded up before.....


Also, In correlation with poverty is lack of quality parenting....
And I dont bu the premise that you can fix poor parenting by fixing poverty. There are good parents who are poverty stricken.


NOt jhumping into

 

[MarAzul]

@MarAzul: I'm bored.. I know! Let's burn a Strawman!!

 

[MARIS61]

Those numbers are complete bullshit.

No, they're about right.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

No, they're about right.

No, they're bullshit.

 

[MARIS61]

"Third in murders" by what metric? If by the normal measurement - murders per capita, the U.S. ranks on one scale at 99th. Murder rate per million people If it's murder by firearm per capita, we rank 10th. Murders with firearms per million.

So the first assertion is in error, significantly. The second is based on the first, but let's examine it anyway.

According to the CDC's WISQARS tool, in 2014 there were 15,809 homicides in the U.S. for a rate of 4.96/100,000 (which probably dropped us out of the top-100 internationally.) However, Chicago contributed 427 deaths to that total. Detroit had a record low - 300. Washington D.C. contributed 97. New Orleans had 150. So that's a total of 974 out of 15,809, which would drop the rate from 4.96/100,000 to 4.65 - not a really significant change.

https://www.quora.com/Is-it-true-th...lowest-when-you-discount-certain-major-cities

Nobody wants to discuss the real source of violent crime in America. Our diversity.

Nearly all violent crime in America is committed by minorities against minorities. Their failed cultures of non-parenting and self-victimization have wasted generations of human beings and victimized millions while we look the other way and make up scapegoats (guns, racist cops, educational system, white privilege) and excuses for what is simply horrific crime committed without remorse largely by 2 minorities.

https://www.amren.com/archives/reports/the-color-of-crime-2016-revised-edition/

New York City, for example, does not participate in NIBRS but it records the races of arrested offenders, and consistently distinguishes between whites and Hispanics. In 2014, 374 people were arrested for murder. Their races were as follows:

White: 2.9 percent

Black: 61.8 percent


Hispanic: 31.8 percent

Asian: 2.7 percent

Other: 0.8 percent

Police take murder very seriously and investigate all cases carefully. Press and judicial system scrutiny are high. Arrest rates for murder therefore track actual crime rates more closely than for any other crime. Murder is probably the crime for which it would be most difficult for police to make “biased” arrests even if they wanted.

Look at those numbers, then remove all blacks and hispanics from the equation.

Crime wave eliminated.