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I think people and parties focus too much on the other side instead of focusing on the problems of their own party.

As a conservative and former republican I am horrified and enraged that racists and white supremacists feel they now have a voice in the republican party.

But this is a sports forum so I will make it fit the space.

If a slightly altered version of the Blazer pinwheel was to be suddenly embraced by pedophiles and child molesters and not only didn't the Blazers say anything about it but retweeted people using that symbol and allowed it to be displayed by fans at the games that would do it for me. I would stop being a Blazer fan. There is no way I could support the team.

If I belong to or support an organization I don't excuse horrific behavior because I believe the other side is worse.

And that's what republicans and conservatives are being asked to do now.
Boom.
 
I grew up in a very loving home where my dad was a typical conservative and my mom was a liberal.

This worked well together.

My mom, was the dreamer. Dreaming of more and better. Better life, better education, better adventures.

It was dad who tried to find ways to make those dreams happen and if he couldn't to find an alternative. But it was never to crush them.

Anyway, my mom's dreams and my dad's realities lead them to each of them putting each other through college while the other worked.

I can give many other examples but their differences made them see things different and together the achieved more together.

While I know this is a very oversimplified example it's always kept me open minded and accepting to strange and dangerous liberal thoughts.

Because when broken down, those strange and liberal thoughts aren't really that scary.

We as Americans deserve, no, we've earned better healthcare for all. That is a right.

We as Americans deserve, no, we've earned better schooling, safer communities, cleaner places to take our families.

WE ALL AGREE ON THESE THINGS.

We just have to look past the labels and find the ways to make our dreams happen.

We've honestly done this for the military. We've made their military dreams come true, they have the biggest and baddest toys.

Now can't we at least talk about making dreams come true for the rest of us?
 
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Flattery will not disrobe me.

Good, please don't.

for me, it isnt a out who here is interesting or not. its about trying to come to a better understanding of why it seems hatred is growing in politics.

One may blame Trump, but the fact is hatred in politics was there before him.

Yes it seems to be compounding, but so do many things.

So i find myself asking the same question i started with in a sense then....

Why do you feel hatred seems to be growing in politics and why increasing separation?

Maybe because one party enthusiastically nominated, and managed to elect, a grossly incompetent, corrupt fool? And cannot admit that was a mistake?

It results in that party losing all credibility.

why so little effort to try to see the opposing viewpoint before striking it down as nonsense?

I see it in many facets of discussion. Politics, sports, social and communal discussions, etc.

do you see this as well and if so, what is your reasoning behind it?

Human nature. People who act like idiots are assumed to be idiots. Reap what they sow, etc.

Related question: what's wrong with hatred in politics? Can't we all just not get along?

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I grew up in a very loving home where my dad was a typical conservative and my mom was a liberal.

This worked well together.

My mom, was the dreamer. Dreaming of more and better. Better life, better education, better adventures.

It was dad who tried to find ways to make those dreams happen and if he couldn't to find an alternative. But it was never to crush them.

Anyway, my mom's dreams and my dad's realities lead them to each of them putting each other through college while the other worked.

I can give many other examples but their differences made them see things different and together the achieved more together.

While I know this is a very oversimplified example it's always kept me open minded and accepting to strange and dangerous liberal thoughts.

Because when broken down, those strange and liberal thoughts aren't really that scary.

We as Americans deserve, no, we've earned better healthcare for all. That is a right.

We as Americans deserve, no, we've earned better schooling, safer communities, cleaner places to take our families.

WE ALL AGREE ON THESE THINGS.

We just have to look past the labels and find the ways to make our dreams happen.

We've honestly done this for the military. We've made their military dreams come true, they have the biggest and baddest toys.

Now can't we at least talk about making dreams come true for the rest of us?

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IS YOUR CHILD TEXTING ABOUT COMMUNISM?

brb= better redistribute bread

lol= let's overthrow landlords

smh= seize means of production, hurry!

tbh= take back housing

stfu= support the factory union

tfw= tyranny-free workplaces

rofl= revolution's on for later?

idc= international democratic confederalism

btw= bourgeoisie trample workers
 
I do think the right is evil. the right thinks I’m subhuman. End of story. I don’t care about individuals in that party being “good” or “nice”; that party’s policies are dehumanizing to me personally and anyone who voted for that party has to understand they have said they’re okay with that. Nobody who voted for Trump can say they are my friend, because they voted for my oppression. And I don’t care about Supreme Court reversals or injunctions; the judicial viewing the executive overreach as unconstitutional doesn’t give anyone who supports the executive a moral pass.
 
I do think the right is evil. the right thinks I’m subhuman. End of story. I don’t care about individuals in that party being “good” or “nice”; that party’s policies are dehumanizing to me personally and anyone who voted for that party has to understand they have said they’re okay with that. Nobody who voted for Trump can say they are my friend, because they voted for my oppression. And I don’t care about Supreme Court reversals or injunctions; the judicial viewing the executive overreach as unconstitutional doesn’t give anyone who supports the executive a moral pass.

I'm no longer a republican, but I still have conservative ideals/views.
Would I not be the outlier or the exception to your rule negating some of what you just said? Or do you believe I am evil?

Do you have hate for me because I believe Government should stay out of our homes? Because I believe in right to privacy? Because I don't believe in a socialistic government? Because I believe that we are all created equal, but we don't all behave equally, so I think its insane to try to have equal laws and universal this and that?

These things make me evil?
 
I grew up in a very loving home where my dad was a typical conservative and my mom was a liberal.

This worked well together.

My mom, was the dreamer. Dreaming of more and better. Better life, better education, better adventures.

It was dad who tried to find ways to make those dreams happen and if he couldn't to find an alternative. But it was never to crush them.

Anyway, my mom's dreams and my dad's realities lead them to each of them putting each other through college while the other worked.

I can give many other examples but their differences made them see things different and together the achieved more together.

While I know this is a very oversimplified example it's always kept me open minded and accepting to strange and dangerous liberal thoughts.

Because when broken down, those strange and liberal thoughts aren't really that scary.

We as Americans deserve, no, we've earned better healthcare for all. That is a right.

We as Americans deserve, no, we've earned better schooling, safer communities, cleaner places to take our families.

WE ALL AGREE ON THESE THINGS.

We just have to look past the labels and find the ways to make our dreams happen.

We've honestly done this for the military. We've made their military dreams come true, they have the biggest and baddest toys.

Now can't we at least talk about making dreams come true for the rest of us?

And that's great. To me keeping an open mind is the only way out of this divide we keep growing.

However I do not think we all agree on some of the things you noted and it has nothing to do with being evil, its a difference of ones opinion on how an individual is responsible for their own actions and not letting a universal system bail out repeated poor behavior or self inflicting pain.

What I don't get is I don't hate anyone who thinks we should have universal health care, but I feel the hate come at me if I say my opinion is I don't agree with universal health care.

So where is this hatred coming from and how do we quell it without completely conforming to the opposing view?
 
I'm no longer a republican, but I still have conservative ideals/views.
Would I not be the outlier or the exception to your rule negating some of what you just said? Or do you believe I am evil?

Do you have hate for me because I believe Government should stay out of our homes? Because I believe in right to privacy? Because I don't believe in a socialistic government? Because I believe that we are all created equal, but we don't all behave equally, so I think its insane to try to have equal laws and universal this and that?

These things make me evil?

Your need to save money comes in a package that prioritizes the discrimination and oppression of millions. Your need for personal autonomy is provided in a package that doesn’t extend this autonomy to women or queer people. And if you vote for that package, you tell me that you prioritize yourself over millions, and specifically over me. How can you look me in the eye and say you’re my friend when you took the one opportunity you get to act like a friend and you spent it on my downward mobility? And I’m supposed to like you for that? Forgive you? Tolerate you? What the hell am I supposed to do with that information? You tell me if I should like you or not, if hanging out on a fucking basketball forum and going to a game together is more important to me than my rights as a human being to get medical attention without discrimination.

The fucking compartmentalization I have to do to go to this forum and talk about basketball, and know that behind all of it, most people here have happily voted for a policy that actively removes rights folks like me have fought and clawed for over the course of decades... for what? A couple of laughs? A shared community? I love basketball, but I don’t know if any of this is worth the emotional toll.

It you have been wondering why this forum isn’t growing, that might be why.

Do I hate you? Specifically, I don’t: you’re a person who has shown personal kindness... but in the abstract of you being part of a social movement that intends my disappearance, yeah I do. Just like your hatred for me in the abstract, despite telling yourself you’re my friend specifically. How the hell am I supposed to reconcile that?

Being here is a fucking emotional gauntlet, man.
 
Your need to save money comes in a package that prioritizes the discrimination and oppression of millions. Your need for personal autonomy is provided in a package that doesn’t extend this autonomy to women or queer people. And if you vote for that package, you tell me that you prioritize yourself over millions, and specifically over me. How can you look me in the eye and say you’re my friend when you took the one opportunity you get to act like a friend and you spent it on my downward mobility? And I’m supposed to like you for that? Forgive you? Tolerate you? What the hell am I supposed to do with that information? You tell me if I should like you or not, if hanging out on a fucking basketball forum and going to a game together is more important to me than my rights as a human being to get medical attention without discrimination.

The fucking compartmentalization I have to do to go to this forum and talk about basketball, and know that behind all of it, most people here have happily voted for a policy that actively removes rights folks like me have fought and clawed for over the course of decades... for what? A couple of laughs? A shared community? I love basketball, but I don’t know if any of this is worth the emotional toll.

It you have been wondering why this forum isn’t growing, that might be why.

Do I hate you? Specifically, I don’t: you’re a person who has shown personal kindness... but in the abstract of you being part of a social movement that intends my disappearance, yeah I do. Just like your hatred for me in the abstract, despite telling yourself you’re my friend specifically. How the hell am I supposed to reconcile that?

Being here is a fucking emotional gauntlet, man.

but your first sentence I don't think is accurate. Its not a need for me to want to save money. Its a want for me to hold others responsible for their behavior so I don't have to pay for their repeated poor decisions.

How can you look me in the eye and tell me i'm responsible to have to pay into a system that enables someone to sit on the couch and eat potato chips all day knowing someone else will pay for their health issues?

To me, the only way to help you feel equal is to individualize most everything. If we blanket sweep and generalize all people who have a certain view along with others who have the same view on one topic, but a different one on another, is not going to solve anything.

So when we say a group of people this large is evil,. I just don't buy that. There is no objective by conservatives to oppress or hold back minorities. There are extremes in all sects, and dems and liberals have them too, but to just generalize all as evil, well then we would need to do the same with the democratic party based on their outlying extremists as well.

With that said, I would love to know which of your rights have been denied by voting republican?
 
I’m leaving this forum, so you will surely see yourself as morally correct, because I’m not answering your questions, which you could answer yourself if you googled. That’s fine. Whatever. I can’t convince people to care about others, and I really need to stop trying, and just focus on making inroads with my own kind, so that when things get worse, we can help each other. Basketball opinions aren’t worth this.
 
How can you look me in the eye and tell me i'm responsible to have to pay into a system that enables someone to sit on the couch and eat potato chips all day knowing someone else will pay for their health issues?
That happens with private insurance all the time as well. I pay in, and hardly ever use my insurance because I try to eat healthy and exercise regularly to stay in good health. So all of the money I put in to insurance, that I don't use, goes to people that actually use their insurance, and maybe they were fat and eating chips as well.

I'd argue that I'd be happy for my taxes to go to national health care to make sure that everyone is covered, and so the few issues as you described can go on, as long as people not being covered, people losing their houses over medical debt, etc. is also taken care of.
 
Your need to save money comes in a package that prioritizes the discrimination and oppression of millions. Your need for personal autonomy is provided in a package that doesn’t extend this autonomy to women or queer people. And if you vote for that package, you tell me that you prioritize yourself over millions, and specifically over me. How can you look me in the eye and say you’re my friend when you took the one opportunity you get to act like a friend and you spent it on my downward mobility? And I’m supposed to like you for that? Forgive you? Tolerate you? What the hell am I supposed to do with that information? You tell me if I should like you or not, if hanging out on a fucking basketball forum and going to a game together is more important to me than my rights as a human being to get medical attention without discrimination.

The fucking compartmentalization I have to do to go to this forum and talk about basketball, and know that behind all of it, most people here have happily voted for a policy that actively removes rights folks like me have fought and clawed for over the course of decades... for what? A couple of laughs? A shared community? I love basketball, but I don’t know if any of this is worth the emotional toll.

It you have been wondering why this forum isn’t growing, that might be why.

Do I hate you? Specifically, I don’t: you’re a person who has shown personal kindness... but in the abstract of you being part of a social movement that intends my disappearance, yeah I do. Just like your hatred for me in the abstract, despite telling yourself you’re my friend specifically. How the hell am I supposed to reconcile that?

Being here is a fucking emotional gauntlet, man.

Wait. Reading again, I dont buy some of the things you stated.

Who is denying you medical care because of discrimination?
 
I’m leaving this forum, so you will surely see yourself as morally correct, because I’m not answering your questions, which you could answer yourself if you googled. That’s fine. Whatever. I can’t convince people to care about others, and I really need to stop trying, and just focus on making inroads with my own kind, so that when things get worse, we can help each other. Basketball opinions aren’t worth this.

That is your choice and you will be missed, however I still dont agree with some of what you say. The problem is I dont hate you for it. Yet you are willing to hate me as a blanket for my opinions.
It just doesnt add up.
 
I’m leaving this forum, so you will surely see yourself as morally correct, because I’m not answering your questions, which you could answer yourself if you googled. That’s fine. Whatever. I can’t convince people to care about others, and I really need to stop trying, and just focus on making inroads with my own kind, so that when things get worse, we can help each other. Basketball opinions aren’t worth this.

The vast majority here very much care about you.

And yes, all answers can be found via google. But also a ton of BS and hateful information is out there. Maybe you could point people to some websites that you feel are the most accurate and tell the story you want people to know.
 
That happens with private insurance all the time as well. I pay in, and hardly ever use my insurance because I try to eat healthy and exercise regularly to stay in good health. So all of the money I put in to insurance, that I don't use, goes to people that actually use their insurance, and maybe they were fat and eating chips as well.

I'd argue that I'd be happy for my taxes to go to national health care to make sure that everyone is covered, and so the few issues as you described can go on, as long as people not being covered, people losing their houses over medical debt, etc. is also taken care of.

To make sure I understand you clearly, you are fine paying into the system even if a few take advantage in order to help the bulk that are actually in need? I could understand and respect that, if so. However I think we can get more detailed and still help those in need while not catering to those who arent in need other than through self infliction.
 
I’ve been very fortunate to have been able to travel fairly extensively around this country the past 3 years (until shut down by the ‘rona). I’ve gone out of my way to meet people of all colors and persuasions all over this country and have thoroughly enjoyed the interactions. If there is one thing I found to be almost certain, is that we’re all pretty much the same, and given “equal” opportunity we’d all get along pretty well in general. We all want the same things (decent jobs, healthcare, a roof over our heads, food on the table, respect for our personal rights, freedom from need, etc, etc, etc). The only real difference is that pretty much everyone has a different idea of how to achieve our wants and who or what is standing in the way of us achieving them. And the politicians of any stripe are bending over backwards to exploit those differences as a way of keeping us at each other’s throats so they can fleece us as we fight. Not that that it is an earth shattering revelation, but it is the politicians who are most responsible for the class divisions in this country. They can’t get elected (or reelected) if they’re seen kissing the “wrong” asses. And as long as we keep electing the same old cynical opportunists who play to our most base fears, we’ll continue the long, slow, interminable slide down the side of the toilet bowl.....we care too much about individual needs at the expense of everyone’s needs.
 
I’ve been very fortunate to have been able to travel fairly extensively around this country the past 3 years (until shut down by the ‘rona). I’ve gone out of my way to meet people of all colors and persuasions all over this country and have thoroughly enjoyed the interactions. If there is one thing I found to be almost certain, is that we’re all pretty much the same, and given “equal” opportunity we’d all get along pretty well in general. We all want the same things (decent jobs, healthcare, a roof over our heads, food on the table, respect for our personal rights, freedom from need, etc, etc, etc). The only real difference is that pretty much everyone has a different idea of how to achieve our wants and who or what is standing in the way of us achieving them. And the politicians of any stripe are bending over backwards to exploit those differences as a way of keeping us at each other’s throats so they can fleece us as we fight. Not that that it is an earth shattering revelation, but it is the politicians who are most responsible for the class divisions in this country. They can’t get elected (or reelected) if they’re seen kissing the “wrong” asses. And as long as we keep electing the same old cynical opportunists who play to our most base fears, we’ll continue the long, slow, interminable slide down the side of the toilet bowl.....we care too much about individual needs at the expense of everyone’s needs.

I think one of the reasons why is not everyones need are the same.

I can agree with the politician aspect though. However us as individuals can buy in or not buy in. At a certain point we must take responsibility for maintaining their seat in office and buying into the BS fed to us to keep them there?

So in that aspect, are you saying the hatred comes in part from each other still supporting the BS candidates? Because if so, then the hatred should be equal for both sides, but I don't feel that at all. IT feels mostly one sided.
 
To make sure I understand you clearly, you are fine paying into the system even if a few take advantage in order to help the bulk that are actually in need? I could understand and respect that, if so. However I think we can get more detailed and still help those in need while not catering to those who arent in need other than through self infliction.
For the most part, yes, I'm ok with a small bit of abuse to help the greater good. I pay into insurance currently basically out of fear something major happens to me, like another kidney stone, or another severe concussion. Absent of that, all the money I pay to a private company either goes to treat the chip eaters, or it lines the pockets of those in charge of private companies. So chip eaters get my coverage, CEOs get rich, and we still have so many uninsured, or struggling with medical bills.
 
I do think the right is evil. the right thinks I’m subhuman. End of story. I don’t care about individuals in that party being “good” or “nice”; that party’s policies are dehumanizing to me personally and anyone who voted for that party has to understand they have said they’re okay with that. Nobody who voted for Trump can say they are my friend, because they voted for my oppression. And I don’t care about Supreme Court reversals or injunctions; the judicial viewing the executive overreach as unconstitutional doesn’t give anyone who supports the executive a moral pass.
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For the most part, yes, I'm ok with a small bit of abuse to help the greater good. I pay into insurance currently basically out of fear something major happens to me, like another kidney stone, or another severe concussion. Absent of that, all the money I pay to a private company either goes to treat the chip eaters, or it lines the pockets of those in charge of private companies. So chip eaters get my coverage, CEOs get rich, and we still have so many uninsured, or struggling with medical bills.

I do the same out of fear. But you don't think your last sentence is part of the problem and if we make things universal, it will only be a bigger problem? Universal health care wont get rid of CEOs and chip eaters. Someone will still have to pay.
 
I do the same out of fear. But you don't think your last sentence is part of the problem and if we make things universal, it will only be a bigger problem? Universal health care wont get rid of CEOs and chip eaters. Someone will still have to pay.
So we have CEOs and chip eaters, and no universal care, or CEOs and chip eaters and universal coverage. I think the one where everyone has coverage is certainly better than the other one, no?
 
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