The Miller hate in this forum is....

[OSUBlazerfan]

Miller has been probably the second-best Blazer all year. He kept the team afloat without Roy, he has really made the game a lot funner (not a word) to watch, and he makes players around him better.

With that in mind, lets Re-visit a thread from earlier in the year.

No one hates Miller. Blake gets 100x more heat. Miller's just not the right fit.

I was a big proponent of the signing and have been very down on the way he's been used, but I'm increasingly of the above opinion. He and Brandon just don't play off of each other really well and spacing has been a problem

Well, if NBA execs really love him, then I hope we can really get something for him in trade; but considering how little demand for him there was as a free agent, I'm not getting my hopes up.

I like Andre Miller, he just is a poor defender and he doesn't seem to fit this team. One thing with Blake, he hasn't been hitting his 3's, but you know that he has the potential to get back on track with those. But we know that Miller will never hit 3's. And this team needs guys who can hit 3's.

Neither is a good fit for this team.

I'd like to take up for Miller, but he's only marginally better than Blake. Both have had plenty of opportunities to win the starting spot, but neither deserves it after getting their asses handed to them by Bayless.

I'd like to see Steve get traded, and have a feeling that he will be the most in demand due to his expiring contract.

Miller is the odd man out. He's not a great defender. He's not really creating much for his teammates and he's not shooting all that well. Blake was in a slump but he broke out of it tonight and I expect him to start shooting better again. Miller can't shoot so good riddance. Bayless can get to the hoop and shoot from the outside. Miller is unnecessary and as was previously said, Miller's career will be over by the time our championship window arrives. Lose him now.

It's not Miller hate really. I am supportive of him. I just think he is making too much money for the production he's putting out. I blame Nate not being able to use Dre to his skills, but it's obvious Nate really isn't going anywhere. Blake may not be here next season either. I think the future will be Roy, Fernandez and Bayless as the main guard rotation, with a filler player or two. What's nice is Webster can play 2 as well.

This isn't going to realistically happen.

It was up to KP to bring in a guy that could fit with the team.

KP went out and did the opposite of that.

He needs to make a deal to rectify this mistake.

I have nothing against Miller. On a different team he would great.

But Portland doesn't play the way they would need to for Miller to thrive. And they aren't going to in the next year or two either.

I don't dislike Miller, I just think he is a bad fit here.

Miller's a passive-aggressive jerk. He can't be traded soon enough for me.

 

[RR7]

I always get worried when someone bumps an old thread, to see my comments in it, hoping I didn't make dumb predictions. Luckily that didn't happen there.

 

[hasoos]

So are you going to tell me at the time when I posted that, Miller wasn't a bad fit here?

Some folks bitch about Blake getting moved, but you will note that Miller didn't even really start to play better until they committed to him and made that move. Chemistry matters. The chemistry was bad until Blake was gone. Blake was the Elephant in the room. The elephant, needed to go in order to make it work.

 

[OSUBlazerfan]

He was a bad fit because of Roy, it wasnt Miller who was supposed to be attacked, it was the others around him who made it difficult that should have been questioned

 

[OSUBlazerfan]

I always get worried when someone bumps an old thread, to see my comments in it, hoping I didn't make dumb predictions. Luckily that didn't happen there.

No, you were in the middle on this one

I think Miller has gotten us off to pretty good looking starts the lasat two games. I am fine with him not playing in the 4th if it is working for us. I think that Rudy, when healthy, can be the 3rd guard in the 4th, as opposed to Blake, alongside Roy and Bayless.

 

[Crimson the Cat]

I never thought Miller would work well with Brandon. I was way wrong. The basketball we saw last night was some of the best I've seen in a long time. I wouldn't go so far as to say he has been the 2nd best Blazer - IMO Aldridge has been that guy (more minutes, similar offensive production, and better defender) - but he's been exactly the sort of playmaker this team team has needed.

 

[OSUBlazerfan]

I think the best response i got was Kingspeed's

That was classsssic

 

[OSUBlazerfan]

I never thought Miller would work well with Brandon. I was way wrong. The basketball we saw last night was some of the best I've seen in a long time. I wouldn't go so far as to say he has been the 2nd best Blazer - IMO Aldridge has been that guy (more minutes, similar offensive production, and better defender) - but he's been exactly the sort of playmaker this team team has needed.

Strictly Offense

Miller - 18.04 PER
LMA - 17.72 PER

 

[HailBlazers]

So are you going to tell me at the time when I posted that, Miller wasn't a bad fit here?

No he's saying sometimes it helps to be able to see a few days into the future.

 

[hasoos]

No he's saying sometimes it helps to be able to see a few days into the future.

The future can be very different based upon what paths are chosen. Andre Miller is playing ok now. Don't try to make it more than it is.

 

[Tince]

The future can be very different based upon what paths are chosen. Andre Miller is playing ok now. Don't try to make it more than it is.

That's how trades like Jermaine for Dale Davis happen. One person is looking at the current moment in time, while the other is looking ahead.

 

[OSUBlazerfan]

2nd Highest PER on the Team (is that just "OK")

 

[Wheels]

Miller is rather "Average"

 

[MAS RipCity]

Glad, I've been on the Andre bandwagon since we signed him!
Team MVP this year no doubt!

 

[hasoos]

That's how trades like Jermaine for Dale Davis happen. One person is looking at the current moment in time, while the other is looking ahead.

Uh no not really. At the time he was playing badly. Do you not concur he was playing badly? At the time he was butting heads with Nate Mcmillan and causing problems in practice? Is your memory so short? How about telling Bayless to make that free throw? Ring a fucking bell yet?

 

[Crimson the Cat]

Strictly Offense

Miller - 18.04 PER
LMA - 17.72 PER

Right. Pretty similar numbers. Yet, Aldridge's Drtg is considerably better. It's close, but I give the edge to LA. That's just me though.

 

[jlprk]

Everyone thinks that Miller and Roy play together fine now, apparently by blaming Roy's decline on injury. He's still not the clutch superstar he was last season, but that is glossed over in the pursuit of accepting Miller.

 

[Minstrel]

So are you going to tell me at the time when I posted that, Miller wasn't a bad fit here?

No, he wasn't a bad fit. A bad fit means he'd never have become a big contributor on thjis team...that's what being a bad fit means. He and the team were struggling because they hadn't learned to play together yet. Some of us saw that, some of you didn't. Now that the players have adjusted, he's proving that he wasn't a bad fit.

As one forum member is fond of saying: Recognize your mistakes, learn from them and move on.

 

[Minstrel]

Everyone thinks that Miller and Roy play together fine now, apparently by blaming Roy's decline on injury. He's still not the clutch superstar he was last season, but that is glossed over in the pursuit of accepting Miller.

Haha, Miller has made Roy less clutch! Roy used to have ice water in his veins, but Miller has drained him of ice water and made him an unclutch choker.

Miller has some god-like powers over the character and resolve of others. Hopefully, in the future, he chooses to be a beneficent god and not a spiteful one.

 

[LittleAlex]

Miller has worked out in part because the team plays somewhat differently now then it did then.

Had they continued to play the way they were at the time of that quote Miller would still be a horrible fit. Luckily Nate loosened up a bit and the team runs more now.

Honestly I think Miller and Nate needed to figure each other out. I am glad they have done so.

 

[Shooter]

Miller has been fantastic. I think he's one of the most underrated players in the league. One of his best skills is fearlessly taking the ball to the hoop, which we really need on a team of jumpshooters. His pickup by Pritchard looks brilliant, even though he wasn't our first choice.

 

[Rhal]

So are you going to tell me at the time when I posted that, Miller wasn't a bad fit here?

Some folks bitch about Blake getting moved, but you will note that Miller didn't even really start to play better until they committed to him and made that move. Chemistry matters. The chemistry was bad until Blake was gone. Blake was the Elephant in the room. The elephant, needed to go in order to make it work.

Miller started playing better and started fitting in after he had that huge fight with mcmillian not when blake got moved.

 

[Natebishop3]

I'm pretty sure I've stuck with him since we signed him last summer. I was also a huge proponent of trading for him during last season. I've always liked the guy and I think he's a very good player. I'm glad we have him.

 

[julius]

I always get worried when someone bumps an old thread, to see my comments in it, hoping I didn't make dumb predictions. Luckily that didn't happen there.

me too.

 

[ABM]

Today, Kenny Vance share a story in that, during one of the games awhile back, LMA had the hot hand. Roy was calling for the ball on more than one occasion. Miller simply looked him off, then subsequently fed the ball into LMA....who kept hitting. Vance said that on that day, Miller endeared himself to Aldridge and more than a few others.

Miller is a crafty, knowledgeable vet who knows how to play the game the "right" way. In no way did he create a divide between himself and Roy, but Roy sure learned about "veteranship" that day.

 

[Natebishop3]

Today, Kenny Vance share a story in that, during one of the games awhile back, LMA had the hot hand. Roy was calling for the ball on more than one occasion. Miller simply looked him off, then subsequently fed the ball into LMA....who kept hitting. Vance said that on that day, Miller endeared himself to Aldridge and more than a few others.

Miller is a crafty, knowledgeable vet who knows how to play the game the "right" way. In no way did he create a divide between himself and Roy, but Roy sure learned about "veteranship" that day.

I've said it before, you don't lead the league in assists by being a dumb player or selfish. Even though he only did it once, with Cleveland of all teams, the guy has proven he can be one of the best distributors in basketball. I think he could lead the league again, if given the right freedoms and allowed to play a full season with the team. Look at his assists over the last few games. Pretty damn impressive.

 

[Nikolokolus]

I completely stand by this statement:

Originally Posted by Nikolokolus
I was a big proponent of the signing and have been very down on the way he's been used, but I'm increasingly of the above opinion. He and Brandon just don't play off of each other really well and spacing has been a problem

I thought it a somewhat foregone conclusion that there was going to be very little attempt change the style of play to adapt and account for Miller, and it was absolutely true that they weren't playing well off of each other. I'm glad things changed, but it still irks me that Nate made no effort to give the better player the starting job from the jump and that no time was spent in preseason getting those two on the same page.

 

[LittleAlex]

I completely stand by this statement:



I thought it a somewhat foregone conclusion that there was going to be very little attempt change the style of play to adapt and account for Miller, and it was absolutely true that they weren't playing well off of each other. I'm glad things changed, but it still irks me that Nate made no effort to give the better player the starting job from the jump and that no time was spent in preseason getting those two on the same page.

This was, by far, the most disappointing thing about the preseason.

I am glad they finally figured it out but I wish it wouldn't have taken nearly as long to do so.

 

[Tince]

Uh no not really. At the time he was playing badly. Do you not concur he was playing badly? At the time he was butting heads with Nate Mcmillan and causing problems in practice? Is your memory so short? How about telling Bayless to make that free throw? Ring a fucking bell yet?

He was not playing great, but your post only proves my point.

Some people can only see what it right in front of them, not what is down the road.

Right in front of us was Miller playing below average. The people who have watched Millers career in the NBA knew his skill set, know he typically started out slow, and probably assumed that the team would adjust to his strengths (and vise versa).

But it certainly isn't uncommon for people to have drastic, knee-jerk reactions around here.

And to answer your question: No, my memory isn't short, and apparently my vision is better than others.

 

[WillG]

This was, by far, the most disappointing thing about the preseason.

I am glad they finally figured it out but I wish it wouldn't have taken nearly as long to do so.

I feel the same.
Nate's inflexibility is one of the things that infuriates me about his coaching.
To take a guy like Miller, leave him dangling not knowing his role, keeping him on the bench and then jerking him around with sub patterns is just plain stupid. Way to integrate a talent Nate.
It's no wonder Miller started out slowly.

Now, in the second half of the season, McMillan has given the PG spot to Miller and he has started to show what he really can do.

Exactly what most people where calling for since summer camp.

McMillan is just simply not that good.