The Nurk Effect: Point Differential

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dviss1 said:
He averaged 5.5 a game during that series.
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dviss1 said:
Jesus Shaq averaged 6.3 APG in those finals.
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I was referring to the full season(s), not just the Finals, and the second quote indicates why. Numbers get pushed well beyond season-long averages when you start running your best play every time down the court in those high stakes settings.

Hakeem "only" averaged 3.5 to 3.6 assists per game during those championship years.
 
I was just playing around with the stats a little more and the actual impact of the Nurk Effect is even greater than what I originally posted. The PPG, Points Allowed, and Difference numbers for 82 games INCLUDE the 19 games with Nurk as a starter. If you just look at the 63 games that he didn't start, the Blazers' scoring was about the same at 107.1 ppg, but the Points Allowed was a whopping 109.2. That means the net difference of the Blazers without Nurk was -2.1 ppg. That would have tied the Pelicans last year. So with Nurkic as a starter, the Blazers improved in total net difference by 6.5 ppg. Damn!
 
e_blazer said:
I was just playing around with the stats a little more and the actual impact of the Nurk Effect is even greater than what I originally posted. The PPG, Points Allowed, and Difference numbers for 82 games INCLUDE the 19 games with Nurk as a starter. If you just look at the 63 games that he didn't start, the Blazers' scoring was about the same at 107.1 ppg, but the Points Allowed was a whopping 109.2. That means the net difference of the Blazers without Nurk was -2.1 ppg. That would have tied the Pelicans last year. So with Nurkic as a starter, the Blazers improved in total net difference by 6.5 ppg. Damn!
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And that's without a backup center of any sort for 19 minutes a game.
 
Also: Draymond Green plays a fair bit of center when they go smallball, and doesn't he lead that team in assists?
 
e_blazer said:
I was just playing around with the stats a little more and the actual impact of the Nurk Effect is even greater than what I originally posted. The PPG, Points Allowed, and Difference numbers for 82 games INCLUDE the 19 games with Nurk as a starter. If you just look at the 63 games that he didn't start, the Blazers' scoring was about the same at 107.1 ppg, but the Points Allowed was a whopping 109.2. That means the net difference of the Blazers without Nurk was -2.1 ppg. That would have tied the Pelicans last year. So with Nurkic as a starter, the Blazers improved in total net difference by 6.5 ppg. Damn!
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JU-SUF NUR-KIC

CLAP, CLAP, CLAPCLAPCLAP!!!!

JU-SUF NUR-KIC

CLAP, CLAP, CLAPCLAPCLAP!!!!
 
Nurk's assists will depend on the offense Stotts runs, because clearly Nurk can get shooters and cutters the ball. I 'want' Nurk to get 5 assists a game. For one thing, I love watching that style of offense. For another, I think the Blazers will be killing teams if he does. It was a joy to watch Walton and Sabonis pass the ball. Watching Nurk last spring gave me flashbacks.

:cheers:
 
Plums is a hard working player who's well schooled in coachable skills as a big man. I never thought of him as much more than a backup who deserves maybe 20 MPG on a really good team. Plums had a great attitude with us, and he was easy to root for.

Nurk is a legit starting C in this league. I agree with HCP that having both outside and inside scoring gets us better spacing and better scoring opportunities.

Nurk in the post is effectively an easy shot attempt. Those are an important part of a balanced offense.

Nurk played really good defense for us, too. He also showed a nice jump shot for pick & pop plays as well as great court awareness and passing skills.
 
Mediocre Man said:
He's definitely a difference maker, but you have to take the schedule into account.
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That was noted in my post. That said, the Blazers played 8 games against playoff teams in that stretch and won 4 of them: OKC twice, San Antonio and Houston. They "beat" Washington too, but for the blown call at the end. Those were some quality wins.
 
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I get all the reasons to be pessimistic about Nurk (SOS, Smaller sample size), but the reasons to be optimistic that he is only scratching the surface of his ability IMO outweigh them. 18/11/4 is not out of the question for him next year for a number of reasons.

First, it's a fact that Nurk will play more minutes per game than he ever has before. Terry is known to only run his best players out there and run them ragged, so I expect Nurk to get a bit of the Dame and CJ treatment when it comes to minutes meaning 35+ on average. That alone would be a ~25% increase in minutes right off the bat giving him that much more opportunity to effect the game and put up those numbers.

Second, he has totally transformed his body this off season. This will allow him to be more effective over all of those minutes rather than just the first half. I expect this will allow him to finish faster and stronger as the roll man, allowing him to be more efficient in the P-n-R and around the rim. (I'm looking for +55% shooting around the rim he was around 53% with us last year)

Finally, he will know the enitre playbook and have sets designed specifically for him. Cj said last year he knew maybe half or two thirds of the playbook and was able to accomplish some pretty amazing feats. Familiarity and design should give him an extra boost next year. Around the league the reason for pessimisim about the Blazers comes from the unknown of how good Jusuf really can be. Can he become a top-5 center in the league next year? Time will tell, but I think the reasons to be optimistic are clearly there and he has the chance to put up some numbers that will suprise people.
 
chzbrgr said:
I get all the reasons to be pessimistic about Nurk (SOS, Smaller sample size), but the reasons to be optimistic that he is only scratching the surface of his ability IMO outweigh them. 18/11/4 is not out of the question for him next year for a number of reasons.

First, it's a fact that Nurk will play more minutes per game than he ever has before. Terry is known to only run his best players out there and run them ragged, so I expect Nurk to get a bit of the Dame and CJ treatment when it comes to minutes meaning 35+ on average. That alone would be a ~25% increase in minutes right off the bat giving him that much more opportunity to effect the game and put up those numbers.

Second, he has totally transformed his body this off season. This will allow him to be more effective over all of those minutes rather than just the first half. I expect this will allow him to finish faster and stronger as the roll man, allowing him to be more efficient in the P-n-R and around the rim. (I'm looking for +55% shooting around the rim he was around 53% with us last year)

Finally, he will know the enitre playbook and have sets designed specifically for him. Cj said last year he knew maybe half or two thirds of the playbook and was able to accomplish some pretty amazing feats. Familiarity and design should give him an extra boost next year. Around the league the reason for pessimisim about the Blazers comes from the unknown of how good Jusuf really can be. Can he become a top-5 center in the league next year? Time will tell, but I think the reasons to be optimistic are clearly there and he has the chance to put up some numbers that will suprise people.
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Oh it's going to happen and he will get MIP. Book it.
 
chzbrgr said:
I get all the reasons to be pessimistic about Nurk (SOS, Smaller sample size), but the reasons to be optimistic that he is only scratching the surface of his ability IMO outweigh them. 18/11/4 is not out of the question for him next year for a number of reasons.

First, it's a fact that Nurk will play more minutes per game than he ever has before. Terry is known to only run his best players out there and run them ragged, so I expect Nurk to get a bit of the Dame and CJ treatment when it comes to minutes meaning 35+ on average. That alone would be a ~25% increase in minutes right off the bat giving him that much more opportunity to effect the game and put up those numbers.

Second, he has totally transformed his body this off season. This will allow him to be more effective over all of those minutes rather than just the first half. I expect this will allow him to finish faster and stronger as the roll man, allowing him to be more efficient in the P-n-R and around the rim. (I'm looking for +55% shooting around the rim he was around 53% with us last year)

Finally, he will know the enitre playbook and have sets designed specifically for him. Cj said last year he knew maybe half or two thirds of the playbook and was able to accomplish some pretty amazing feats. Familiarity and design should give him an extra boost next year. Around the league the reason for pessimisim about the Blazers comes from the unknown of how good Jusuf really can be. Can he become a top-5 center in the league next year? Time will tell, but I think the reasons to be optimistic are clearly there and he has the chance to put up some numbers that will suprise people.
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Definitely a lot more reasons to be optimistic about Nurk. This guy is 5 years away from being in his prime.

He might have snuck up on a few teams last year, but I doubt very many. He's so big and has such an impact on the way Portland played--if you didn't know about him after seeing him dismantle Denver you just weren't paying attention.
 
I have suggestion for this thread: Why not take one of the YOU TUBE vidios at a time of Nurk and team, and have our "expert" basketball minds comment on how Stotts will use Nurk and the team in the up comming season. Nurk's feel for the game is outstanding and his passing is second only to Walton or Sabbas. This team has greatness in its grasp I believe. (I would start this off, only it has taken me about ten minuets to type this and I am teck challenged)

It is a good way to get your Blazers fix during the off season.
 
Nurk looks like a legit player, but no, 19 games isn't much of a sample size to base anything on.

Hopefully he stays healthy and whatever game planning team's do, he has a counter.
 
Nikolokolus said:
Nurk looks like a legit player, but no, 19 games isn't much of a sample size to base anything on.

Hopefully he stays healthy and whatever game planning team's do, he has a counter.
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Maybe yes, maybe no. In the league he played in before he played in the NBA, he had a PER of 40!!!

Also, some college players don't play much more than 19 games in a season.
 
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