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This Summer League makes me sad. It tells me that the regular season will be no better than the previous one.
Lopez is a tiny bit better than Hickson, but offsetting that, we replaced a bunch of experienced bench with these goofballs we just finished watching. Our 1st round pick can't shoot, drive, or playmake.
We have regressed. Last year we had no injuries. This year we probably will. I think our record will be no better (not including the tank, we were a little below .500).
Lopez is a tiny bit better than Hickson, but offsetting that, we replaced a bunch of experienced bench with these goofballs we just finished watching. Our 1st round pick can't shoot, drive, or playmake.
We have regressed. Last year we had no injuries. This year we probably will. I think our record will be no better (not including the tank, we were a little below .500).
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I've seen enough of the players that will actually play (McCollum, Robinson) to feel better about our bench.
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Robinson will be good in a year, and McCollum in 2, but Aldridge is bored with this nonsense. He should move to a team that wants to win.
Blazer fans dislike older, experienced players. So we are forever starting over, totally dependent upon the draft. They always see a golden future just over the horizon.
Blazer fans dislike older, experienced players. So we are forever starting over, totally dependent upon the draft. They always see a golden future just over the horizon.
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i wonder if a good college team would just wipe the floor with them, they just seem so disorganized, no spacing for drives, and when they do drive, its right into someone
half the shots are front iron or airballs
its frustrating to watch to say the least, but its good to see them, and most of them look ok
ML- is what he is right now, soft nba backup. would love to see him go up harder, but he is making his little lay ins, so not too big a deal. kid can hit the jumper. no help defense.
CJ- not lillard. still better than anything we had last year on the bench wing or otherwise. shoots with both hands, kinda silly looking
crabbe- incomplete, didnt show me anything, def not a star by any means, could be good for all i know though
claver-saw some nice playmaking ability, some nice offensive moves, and a few boneheaded plays too, solid rotation guy this year though
barton- holy shit...every time down the floor just barrelling wildly into his defender and throwing a shot up behind his back. looked like a football player or something
trob- great rebounding, looks like barton on offense, so weird, i dont remember hearing that he had ZERO offensive game out of college, but every move he makes in gets jammed up beyond belief till he turns it over or squirts a pass out
freeland- looks passable at times, and really bad the rest
as far as man defense goes, its hard for me to pay attention to that, but i didnt see too much horrible shit, could be wrong
half the shots are front iron or airballs
its frustrating to watch to say the least, but its good to see them, and most of them look ok
ML- is what he is right now, soft nba backup. would love to see him go up harder, but he is making his little lay ins, so not too big a deal. kid can hit the jumper. no help defense.
CJ- not lillard. still better than anything we had last year on the bench wing or otherwise. shoots with both hands, kinda silly looking
crabbe- incomplete, didnt show me anything, def not a star by any means, could be good for all i know though
claver-saw some nice playmaking ability, some nice offensive moves, and a few boneheaded plays too, solid rotation guy this year though
barton- holy shit...every time down the floor just barrelling wildly into his defender and throwing a shot up behind his back. looked like a football player or something
trob- great rebounding, looks like barton on offense, so weird, i dont remember hearing that he had ZERO offensive game out of college, but every move he makes in gets jammed up beyond belief till he turns it over or squirts a pass out
freeland- looks passable at times, and really bad the rest
as far as man defense goes, its hard for me to pay attention to that, but i didnt see too much horrible shit, could be wrong
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Jeffries, Babbitt, Pavlovic, and Maynor were so much better than this crew of clowns in SL. They had experience and discipline. Maybe a couple of years from now, after great investment of teaching, this crew of clowns will be as good as what we had last year--the weakest bench in the league. Meanwhile, we're a worse team. Our bench actually regressed. Impossible but true.
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need a bug zapper up in here
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You lost me at "Our first round pick can't shoot"
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Well percentage-wise he is not doing a great job.
That would be the least of my objections with his posts. Babbitt for one is horrible. Crabbe is better if he doesn't even take a shot.
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Yeah I could care less what his shooting percent is this week. It is pretty evident that CJ can shoot. What I especially like is how he can race up the floor, stop on a dime, pull up and hit a jumper from every distance. Those are the tough ones and he makes it look easy. I don't need a box score to tell me that
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Is my sadness bugging you?
McCollum led the league in points by shooting a percentage so low that you have to go down about 22 spots to find someone with a lower FG%.
http://www.nba.com/summerleague/2013/statistics/las_vegas/index.html
He shot about 5-10% for long balls. He is sure no Lillard at shooting, yet he's a SG.
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Save it for the stats geeks.
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Speaking of basic stats, do you even know what year this is? I click on Schedule and I get
http://thepwe.com/schedule/
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Bullshit. The season went south when Batum messed up his wrist and never did get back to form.
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I don't follow. I clicked on your link and saw something form Pinwheel Empire. Are you somehow thinking that we are one in the same?
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LMA was also injured and out some games at the end of the year. Not to mention Wes.
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Okay, then we had "few" injuries. The point is the same--we will probably have more injuries this season than last. We will have to improve just to stay the same. This SL crew plus Wright replaces the weakest bench in the league, which, due to more experience than this new bench, made nowhere near as many mistakes. The new bench, for this season, will incredibly--be worse.
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Someone cited it recently on the board. I thought it was you. Apparently not. Okay, then you're back to knowing what year it is. Anyway, McCollum was a volume .366 shooter this week, and should not be confused with Lillard as a shooter.
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Didn't you say a few days ago that Watson was a decent back up? You have to enter him in that equation too.
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I said numerous times in the last few weeks that some people on this board would evaluate McCollum incorrectly if they made him play primarily as a PG. A position he has not played for a few years. You pretty much are proving me right. Of course his shooting was going to be off as he was learning to adapt. Especially playing so many minutes after not playing in a game for 7 months.
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Sonic fans liked Watson a few years ago when McMillan couldn't decide whether to start him or Ridnour. Stats say he has declined, but is still levels above Ronnie Price.
After watching McCollum this week, I have switched them on my anticipated roster. Now I predict Watson will be 2nd-string PG and McCollum 3rd-string. (McCollum will also be 2nd-string SG, ahead of Barton and Crabbe, behind Matthews.)
After watching McCollum this week, I have switched them on my anticipated roster. Now I predict Watson will be 2nd-string PG and McCollum 3rd-string. (McCollum will also be 2nd-string SG, ahead of Barton and Crabbe, behind Matthews.)
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This we are in agreement on. I have been saying it since draft day. I didn't know who we would get as a 2nd string PG, but I said from day one that cJ needed a year to learn the position. (On an NBA level)
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a few years ago?
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Olshey built up McCollum (and the media followed suit) as comparable to Lillard. I now think he's comparable to Elliot Williams. Elliot looked good (much better than Nolan) in the few preaseason games he played. He could shoot, drive, make moves, and leap. He was no PG. I saw similar play from McCollum this week and downgraded him from what the media and Olshey have been saying.
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I did not get that sense. Other than the small school comparison, the work ethic, bbIQ etc. To me it always sounded like they were saying he would compliment Lillard. Not that he was as good as the rookie of the year.
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There have been various posts suggesting we can trade Matthews now because McCollum must be as ready as Lillard was because they are so similar. Others envision the rookie McCollum as starting over Matthews. This week I learned, no way.
But my bigger point is that last year's whipping boys--Pavlovic, Jeffries, Babbitt, and Maynor--appear superior to their replacements. I grant that Robinson will accumulate high rebounds per 48, but he and the rest are inefficiently in hyperspeed compared to last year's supposed worst bench in the league, which is blamed for our record.
So I'm sad that I see this coming season as a repeat of the last.
But my bigger point is that last year's whipping boys--Pavlovic, Jeffries, Babbitt, and Maynor--appear superior to their replacements. I grant that Robinson will accumulate high rebounds per 48, but he and the rest are inefficiently in hyperspeed compared to last year's supposed worst bench in the league, which is blamed for our record.
So I'm sad that I see this coming season as a repeat of the last.
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