The Official CJ McCollum Thread

[BonesJones]

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Williams is making $8m this year, which is the most he’s ever made. CJ meanwhile is among the 20 highest paid players in the league. But we’re haters. Lol.

1.) Lou Williams should be payed more.
2.) He's only had 1 season in his long career that's comparable to any season CJ has had since he started getting minutes.

 

[BonesJones]

So in other words, a nobody whom I've only heard of in passing. A Google search of his name comes up with....no joke....a drawn picture of him.

Get back to me when it's more than him and some troll on Reddit. Nobody in this country with half a brain seriously considers such a stupid trade.

Whoa there. Firstly, I didn't say I agree with EVERYTHING they said. Secondly, I've not heard one media talking head say that Portland should trade Dame for Lonzo. Even TNT isn't that bad.

I HAVE heard trolls in comment sections say that Lonzo is going to be traded for Dame. But that is lunacy from trolls in comment sections, not the national media.

Who knows....maybe I missed Shaq say it or something....



I've never once thought that they were the same player. And in fact I've said numerous times that Dame is on a whole other level of skill compared to CJ. I don't think there's anyone on this forum who reasonably thinks they are the same player. But @TorturedBlazerFan made a good point about height, and we don't have length at the PG/SG position.

It was more of a point that the national media is straight stupid when it comes to suggesting trades, so saying you agree with them in reference to one is essentially counterproductive.

You must not pay as much attention to the BS that the national media spews as I do, which might be the reason why you made the mistake of saying you agree with them.

They're fine defensively. We were a top 7 defense last year. They're great offensively. No reason to split them up based off their fit on the court.

 

[Scalma]

1.) Lou Williams should be payed more.
2.) He's only had 1 season in his long career that's comparable to any season CJ has had since he started getting minutes.

The numbers I posted are cumulative.

And CJ has yet to have one season with a PER above 20. Lou has had three, so I don’t know how you came to that conclusion of yours either.

 

[BonesJones]

CJ and Dames height is really the problem, the last time two starting guards of that height won a championship was when the Pistons won with Isaiah Thomas and Joe Dumars.

Im not going to say its impossible to win with them, but I think the lack of height and more importantly Length, creates challenges for them that other good teams dont have. This is highlighted even more by the fact neither are naturally great defenders anyways.

Almost all the contenders have a PG about dames height or in that ‘range’ and then 2-4 are all taller longer players. I wouldnt mind trading CJ for the right package especially if it means they’re playing a taller player at SG, but CJ is gifted enough that it does have to be the ‘right deal’, you dont trade him just to trade him, he’s too good for that.

But that's not the reason why theyre contenders...

 

[BonesJones]

The numbers I posted are cumulative.

And CJ has yet to have one season with a PER above 20. Lou has had three, so I don’t know how you came to that conclusion of yours either.

Yet Lou does what he does against bench units, meaning more touches for him against lesser players... he also plays less minutes per game (which means he has more energy to expend each offensive play).

 

[TorturedBlazerFan]

But that's not the reason why theyre contenders...

Its not the sole reason, but it helps, I dont think its just a coincidence that almost all the good teams nowadays have length at 2-3-4 and guys who if they get switched on to the perimeter or onto a a 6-10 power forward can hold there own.

 

[BonesJones]

Its not the sole reason, but it helps, I dont think its just a coincidence that almost all the good teams nowadays have length at 2-3-4 and guys who if they get switched on to the perimeter or onto a a 6-10 power forward can hold there own.

Many different things can help, but not all are required. I've said before how valuable switchability is... But its not required to contend, especially when you have elite rim protectors...

 

[TorturedBlazerFan]

Many different things can help, but not all are required. I've said before how valuable switchability is... But its not required to contend, especially when you have elite rim protectors...

I agree, and I said it didnt make it impossible for them to win, it just provides different challenges. I also said I wouldnt trade CJ unless the package was right, he’s really good at being a shooting guard.

 

[Scalma]

Yet Lou does what he does against bench units, meaning more touches for him against lesser players... he also plays less minutes per game (which means he has more energy to expend each offensive play).

Lou was a borderline all star last year and nearly carried the clippers to the playoffs and was the best fourth quarter player in the league. Your “playing against lesser players” theory doesn’t hold up. CJ has never even been in an all star game discussion, and if he wasn’t getting paid like Anthony Davis, would probably be a sixth man himself.

 

[hoopsjock]

Oh grow up. I don't hate CJ.

And are you honestly going to tell me you'd rather have CJ than Klay? Because, you know...."numbers".

I can tell you what's NOT bullshit: 60 points in 29 minutes.

How's that for numbers?

Do you know how to read? I specifically said in my post that I WASN'T SAYING THAT I WOULD TAKE CJ OVER KLAY.

CJ had 50 in 3 quarters, who cares! A one game sample size is a really lame argument.

You say Klay has better vision. He doesn't.

 

[BonesJones]

Lou was a borderline all star last year and nearly carried the clippers to the playoffs and was the best fourth quarter player in the league. Your “playing against lesser players” theory doesn’t hold up. CJ has never even been in an all star game discussion, and if he wasn’t getting paid like Anthony Davis, would probably be a sixth man himself.

See, but you referenced cumulative stats, so accordingly, I started talking about his career as a whole. Then you use one season to say my opinion on his career holds no weight...

C.J. isn't a 6th man caliber player. Quit hatin'.

 

[Driew]

See, but you referenced camunalitve stats, so accordingly, I started talking about his career as a whole. Then you use one season to say my opinion on his career holds no weight...

C.J. isn't a 6th man caliber player. Quit hatin'.

I watch about 90% of my Blazer games with the other team's broadcasting team. I can't tell you the number of times their broadcasting team dreamed of having a back court like Dame and CJ. To be honest I think the Warrior's broadcasting team is the only one that hasn't (for obvious reasons with Klay and Steph). And even then they talk about Dame and CJ being right behind Klay and Steph. We've been spoiled with such a great backcourt. Yes some things need to change with the roster to get us over the hump. CJ is good.

 

[TorturedBlazerFan]

I watch about 90% of my Blazer games with the other team's broadcasting team. I can't tell you the number of times their broadcasting team dreamed of having a back court like Dame and CJ. To be honest I think the Warrior's broadcasting team is the only one that hasn't (for obvious reasons with Klay and Steph). And even then they talk about Dame and CJ being right behind Klay and Steph. We've been spoiled with such a great backcourt. Yes some things need to change with the roster to get us over the hump. CJ is good.

I actually think it would be quite interesting if CJ had his own team so to speak. When Dames been out for various reasons and CJ’s been the defacto star type player he’s played that role really well, he passes more too. I think we might be missing the part where maybe Stotts is telling him to be the gunner he is, and let Dame worry about getting everyone involved.

 

[hoopsjock]

I actually think it would be quite interesting if CJ had his own team so to speak. When Dames been out for various reasons and CJ’s been the defacto star type player he’s played that role really well, he passes more too. I think we might be missing the part where maybe Stotts is telliny him to be the gunner he is, and let Dame worry about getting everyone involved.

So he's being a shooting guard?

 

[H.C.]

So in other words, a nobody whom I've only heard of in passing. A Google search of his name comes up with....no joke....a drawn picture of him.

Get back to me when it's more than him and some troll on Reddit. Nobody in this country with half a brain seriously considers such a stupid trade.

Lakers fans & the national media have no brain.
Confirmed.
Seconded.

 

[TorturedBlazerFan]

So he's being a shooting guard?

Yup thats it! heh.

Im as a guilty as anyone sometimes Im definitely thinking , “so theres 2 wide open guys CJ, with open passing lanes maybe you should give them the ball.”

It might just be him doing his job though.

 

[H.C.]

Cj aka (i have no teammates on the court) is the most dissapointment so far. That guy frustrates me when i see him going 1vs3 taking stupid shots. Not only is he Shooting under 40% (I know small sample size), he said to himself he want's to be a better playmaker, to Pass more and get to the free throw line more often, and what i've seen is: he's not even looking for teammates, he's still going Isolation every Team he has the Ball, he still not making the extra Pass to get someone an easyier shot. His Assists are down compared to last year. What impact brings he to Team when he's not Scoring? We saw it against Washington, fucking nothing!! He's completely useless when his shot is not falling. Now his Defenders will say: " but he get's a lot of attention what makes it easyier for the teammates blah blah blah" i give a damn if he get's attention , he has a Max Contract but is Never worth a Max Contract, he has to be Smarter and find a way to help the Team in a different way when his shot is not falling (wich happens a lot more often btw). At this point i Don't know how you can stil defend him, he is what he is and will Never change

No one would have any issues with your posts if you actually gave credit when it's due.
Just like with the former member Tunchi, however. You only see the negative plays and refuse to acknowledge the skip passes for three's CJ made in that Washington game late. All because CJ shot like ass.
Yes it would've been nice to see CJ throw a rock in the ocean from the shoreline. But to ignore the plays he made when he passed the ball to wide open teammates makes you biased.
Everyone who consistently posts in the game threads get annoyed when CJ misses a wide open teammate. Or when he goes 1 on 3.
But most of these posters also will acknowledge when CJ makes a good pass to a teammate.
Being that it's not normal for CJ to make these plays, they're not hard to notice. Maybe try it sometime.

 

[Jade Falcon]

Do you know how to read? I specifically said in my post that I WASN'T SAYING THAT I WOULD TAKE CJ OVER KLAY.

CJ had 50 in 3 quarters, who cares! A one game sample size is a really lame argument.

You say Klay has better vision. He doesn't.

What the hell? THE VERY FACT THAT HE'S BETTER THAN CJ SAYS HE DOES HAVE BETTER VISION. 4X All Star and 2X All NBA says so. In fact, he just might be in the HOF one day if he keeps that up.

Holy shit. I can't even believe that you even said that. Read what you're typing next time, lmao.

 

[Driew]

What the hell? THE VERY FACT THAT HE'S BETTER THAN CJ SAYS HE DOES HAVE BETTER VISION. 4X All Star and 2X All NBA says so. In fact, he just might be in the HOF one day if he keeps that up.

Holy shit. I can't even believe that you even said that. Read what you're typing next time, lmao.

Klay's defense is what makes him better than CJ not his vision imo.

 

[Jade Falcon]

Klay's defense is what makes him better than CJ not his vision imo.

It takes more than Defense to make All NBA, in my opinion.

Dame has no Defense.....All NBA though.

 

[hoopsjock]

What the hell? THE VERY FACT THAT HE'S BETTER THAN CJ SAYS HE DOES HAVE BETTER VISION. 4X All Star and 2X All NBA says so. In fact, he just might be in the HOF one day if he keeps that up.

Holy shit. I can't even believe that you even said that. Read what you're typing next time, lmao.

Somebody doesn't understand what vision means.

 

[Driew]

It takes more than Defense to make All NBA, in my opinion.

Dame has no Defense.....All NBA though.

No I'm saying that's the deciding factor that makes Klay such a better player than CJ right now. I don't look at Klay's vision as his strong suit. He's definitely got good vision but if you're asking between Klay's defense and his vision. Defense all the way.

But yes Klay is All NBA for a multitude of reasons--his defense being a big reason.

 

[Jade Falcon]

Somebody doesn't understand what vision means.

So you don't think he plays better at every facet of his game than CJ does? Am I understanding you correctly? You really want to get hung up with me over a word?

I can't even believe we're having this conversation. There is NO comparison between the two. Klay is hands down better than CJ McCollum in every way. The way he moves on the court, his Defense, how he passes the ball....and you're hung up on "vision"? Really?

 

[hoopsjock]

So you don't think he plays better at every facet of his game than CJ does? Am I understanding you correctly? You really want to get hung up with me over a word?

I can't even believe we're having this conversation. There is NO comparison between the two. Klay is hands down better than CJ McCollum in every way. The way he moves on the court, his Defense, how he passes the ball....and you're hung up on "vision"? Really?

Bro, Klay is not a better passer than CJ. Every metric proves otherwise. You are proving my point that you don't know shit about this.

This was exactly why I posted in this thread. People are hating so hard on CJ that they can't even comprehend facts proving that they are incorrect.

 

[Natebishop3]

My issue with the Dame/CJ backcourt is defense. They're both mediocre defenders. In the past, teams with point guards who weren't good defenders would hide them on small forwards or shooting guards. The Suns did it with Nash for years. We can't hide Dame AND CJ.

Also, there's really no excuse for CJ not to average more assists. He should get several a game from passing to just Dame. He has great handles and I know he's a very intelligent guy so there's no reason he can't average 4-5 a game.

 

[Jade Falcon]

Bro, Klay is not a better passer than CJ. Every metric proves otherwise. You are proving my point that you don't know shit about this.

This was exactly why I posted in this thread. People are hating so hard on CJ that they can't even comprehend facts proving that they are incorrect.

I'M NOT HATING ON CJ! Jesus, that's not even why I started this thread; I like CJ, especially compared to clowns like Meyers and Turner.

But trying to compare CJ to Klay is asinine on so many levels. CJ just isn't on the same LEVEL as Klay....it's not a matter of compatible skills. One is elite, and the other isn't. You can argue numbers all you want. CJ is VERY good; I'd say better than 80% of this league when it comes to SGs. But I wouldn't call him elite. Klay's career numbers are better than CJ in every way except rebounding.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/t/thompkl01.html

https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/m/mccolcj01.html

 

[hoopsjock]

I'M NOT HATING ON CJ! Jesus, that's not even why I started this thread; I like CJ, especially compared to clowns like Meyers and Turner.

But trying to compare CJ to Klay is asinine on so many levels. CJ just isn't on the same LEVEL as Klay....it's not a matter of compatible skills. One is elite, and the other isn't. You can argue numbers all you want. CJ is VERY good; I'd say better than 80% of this league when it comes to SGs. But I wouldn't call him elite. Klay's career numbers are better than CJ in every way except rebounding.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/t/thompkl01.html

https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/m/mccolcj01.html

FUCKING READ BEFORE POSTING. I ALREADY PUT THE LINK TO THEIR FUCKING BASKETBALL REFERENCE COMPARISON PAGE.

IF YOU KNEW HOW TO READ YOU COULD HAVE NOTICED THAT YOU JUST POSTED STATS PROVING THAT CJ IS A BETTER PASSER.

GOOD JOB!

 

[Natebishop3]

I'M NOT HATING ON CJ! Jesus, that's not even why I started this thread; I like CJ, especially compared to clowns like Meyers and Turner.

But trying to compare CJ to Klay is asinine on so many levels. CJ just isn't on the same LEVEL as Klay....it's not a matter of compatible skills. One is elite, and the other isn't. You can argue numbers all you want. CJ is VERY good; I'd say better than 80% of this league when it comes to SGs. But I wouldn't call him elite. Klay's career numbers are better than CJ in every way except rebounding.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/t/thompkl01.html

https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/m/mccolcj01.html

I think you need to come around to the fact that if you make a critical post about a player or the team, you're hating. That's how some people view anything that isn't sunshine and rainbows. That's how it has always been.

 

[Natebishop3]

FUCKING READ BEFORE POSTING. I ALREADY PUT THE LINK TO THEIR FUCKING BASKETBALL REFERENCE COMPARISON PAGE.

IF YOU KNEW HOW TO READ YOU COULD HAVE NOTICED THAT YOU JUST POSTED STATS PROVING THAT CJ IS A BETTER PASSER.

GOOD JOB!

I LIKE BIG BUTTS AND I CANNOT LIE! YOU OTHER BROTHERS CAN'T DENY, THAT WHEN A GIRL WALKS IN WITH AN ITTY BITTY WASTE AND A ROUND THING IN YOUR FACE YOU GET SPRUNG!

 

[hoopsjock]

We need to get rid of CJ. Seriously.

My apologies, you see when I see a bunch of posts of you hating on CJ it's hard to tell that you aren't really hating on CJ.

It's especially difficult when you start calling out people who are defending CJ.

SMH, you do know that post history is searchable right?