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calvin natt said:
Ohio State going to roll the Ducks unfortunately. Oregon won’t score enough to keep pace. All those athletes and 4/5 star studs and they are the most vanilla offense. So frustrating.
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Ive said it before and I’ll say it again. Mario Christobal is a fantastic recruiter maybe the best out there but he’s garbage with X and Os coaching
 
SlyPokerCat said:
I have more respect for ducks fans that went to UO. A rare breed.

Most the Beavers fans I know would tell Ducks fans "rooting" for Beavers to not do that.

There are zero circumstances i would root for a ducks team again.
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To your last point - I think there is nothing wrong with deciding you'll never root for a team and I suspect you'll be happy with the result tomorrow.

To your first point - Thanks, but this is another cliche take that I've never understood. I have no data on the ratio of Duck fans who attended the school in comparison to other schools fans and their attendence. I'm assuming you do not either. Also of note, I didn't graduate or work for the Blazers.

In my personal life, the majority of Oregon and Oregon St fans I know did not graduate from those schools, though I don't know that makes them any better/worse of a fan. I'm certainly no "better" of a Duck fan because I paid them $50k for a piece of paper. Let's be real, D1 football is a business and probably shouldn't even be associated with the academic side of a university anymore.
 
calvin natt said:
I’m over Mario as a coach. Great recruiter no question. Game day though is hard to watch most of the time.
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I was with you on your last post, but not on this one.

Teams that win the national championship were virtually always top 10 recruiters on average in the prior four years. At no point in the history of Oregon football have they averaged a top 10 recruiting class, not even under Chip, until now. I think Mario is directly responsible for getting Oregon to the point where they have the horses to contend.

Where we do agree is that the his in game coach and offensive blueprint does not maximize the talent. I think this can be corrected IF he hires elite cordinators and allows them to do their jobs. I think it'll be much easier for the AD to encourage Mario to give more power to his OC than it would be to replace Mario with another coach who could bring in top 10 classes.

For that reason, I'm no where near wanting Mario gone. If they go 9-3 for the next 4-5 years with top 10 talent, then I suppose you would have to move on.
 
Pinwheel1 said:
As far as 5* athletes......let me know how many are on the field tomorrow. Especially if Thibs and Flowe are out as many are saying.
Reading about the Ducks with Blazers fans is about as annoying as reading about the Blazers on a Duck messageboard.
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Ohio St has got commitments from 16, 5* players in the last 4 years.
Oregon has got commitments from 4, 4* players inthe last 4 years (all on defense).

I would not advise on clicking on a thread titled "THE OHIO STATE UNIVERSITY vs oregon ducks" on this board if Blazers fans takes on the Ducks annoy you. :smiley-beerchug:
 
Tince said:
I was with you on your last post, but not on this one.

Teams that win the national championship were virtually always top 10 recruiters on average in the prior four years. At no point in the history of Oregon football have they averaged a top 10 recruiting class, not even under Chip, until now. I think Mario is directly responsible for getting Oregon to the point where they have the horses to contend.

Where we do agree is that the his in game coach and offensive blueprint does not maximize the talent. I think this can be corrected IF he hires elite cordinators and allows them to do their jobs. I think it'll be much easier for the AD to encourage Mario to give more power to his OC than it would be to replace Mario with another coach who could bring in top 10 classes.

For that reason, I'm no where near wanting Mario gone. If they go 9-3 for the next 4-5 years with top 10 talent, then I suppose you would have to move on.
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Right - he needs to hire high level coordinators and I’m not sure he can do it. He coaches like the O lineman he is. He recruits studs all over, game comes, and you wouldn’t know. Even if it’s only been two years of these high level recruits there are guys in the NFL from Oregon and it was the same. If I was a WR I wouldn’t come here. Maybe Thompson the QB changes that.
 
SlyPokerCat said:
Completely disagree.

Going to a university is a sense of accomplishment and like it is your home. I spent 4 and a half years in Corvallis and love that city. An ultimate college town. I am so much more attached to OSU than the blazers.

I can count on my hand how many beavers fans i have met that didn't go there.

You're being disingenuous if you think many Ducks fans didn't go there.
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Totally fair to disagree. Unfair for you to pretend to know that I'm not being sincere because it doesn't match your beliefs.

If you reread what I said "the majority of Oregon and Oregon St fans I know did not graduate from those schools". I did not claim that I think most Duck fans went to the University of Oregon nor did my post imply that. I'm also not stating that as a general fact because I do not have data to back that up. If you have data to back up this claim as a whole, I would love to see it and use it in the future (whatever the outcome may be). Us saying what's true in our small bubble is probably not the best way to come to a global conclusion.

Also of note, I don't think we share the same emotional attachment to our degree or homes. I think it's awesome if you feel a great amount of pride towards those things though.
 
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SlyPokerCat said:
Good conversation. I don't want to keep dragging this on in this post though. Good luck to whatever Ducks fans there are. I just won't be rooting for them.
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Likewise. Apprciate the different perspectives.

If you do ever come across any data about fan bases and their graduation rate to said school, I would be genuinely interested in seeing it.
 
1. There are lots of people who love both the Ducks and the Beavers, myself included. This state is so sports starved I don't see how people can't be.

2. I remember as a kid multiple columns from Dwight Jaynes about how both the Ducks and Beavers should leave the Pac 10 because they can't compete. Dwight is an idiot.

3. Ralph Miller was the greatest coach in the state of Oregon.

4. I went to Oregon so the Ducks are my greatest love between the two but I'm always cheering for the Beavers.

5. Trash talk between fans of both programs is fun.
 
calvin natt said:
Ohio State going to roll the Ducks unfortunately. Oregon won’t score enough to keep pace. All those athletes and 4/5 star studs and they are the most vanilla offense. So frustrating.
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Yes. They need to figure this out.
 
I grew up in Portland, and i cheer for both. I use to root for whoever had a chance to go to a better bowl game, to win the Civil War game. Over the years i have become more of a Duck fan due to their excelling in the Pac-12. Once my daughter went there, nd i moved to Springfield, that only increased my fandom for the Ducks Football Team. But i still root for the Beavs, and was very disapointed by their failure to beat Purdue, in a game that had Nolan played the whole game, maybe they win. Noyer had a scatter gun, and looked unpoised. I'm hoping that Brown Jr. plays great, and the Ducks win, but if he struggles like Noyer did, i hope Coach Cristobal pulls him and lets Thompson get some time vs. the Buckeyes. Thompson has all the skillset that Stroud has. Maybe more. I know it's hard to be patient. Cristobal is closing in building a top ranked program. Go Ducks, and Go Beavs! Hawaii won't be a pushover. If Noyer plays, he better bring some accuracy.
 
I didn’t go to either school but I’m an Oregonian and a huge sports fan in general. My dad was a Duck fan since I can remember. I recall watching the Ducks in 94’ with Graziani/O’Neill against Kerry Collins in the Rose Bowl at a party with my parents friends. I remember McLemore and Saladagh McCollough.

I gradually became a Duck fan more and more over the Belotti era. Then a kid I grew up with and played ball with became a starting O lineman for them his sophomore year and I became hooked.

I would like nothing more than for the Ducks to win tomorrow. But with Christobal’s conservative, let’s win this game in the trenches mentality I don’t think it’s going to happen or be close..

Also, I don’t think very highly of Anthony Brown. I hope he proves me wrong. But I’d rather throw Ty Thompson to the Wolves and get him some big game experience then run the conservative shit with Brown.

We got playmakers on offense. Get them I. The open field and make some fucking plays!
 
MickZagger said:
I didn’t go to either school but I’m an Oregonian and a huge sports fan in general. My dad was a Duck fan since I can remember. I recall watching the Ducks in 94’ with Graziani/O’Neill against Kerry Collins in the Rose Bowl at a party with my parents friends. I remember McLemore and Saladagh McCollough.

I gradually became a Duck fan more and more over the Belotti era. Then a kid I grew up with and played ball with became a starting O lineman for them his sophomore year and I became hooked.

I would like nothing more than for the Ducks to win tomorrow. But with Christobal’s conservative, let’s win this game in the trenches mentality I don’t think it’s going to happen or be close..

Also, I don’t think very highly of Anthony Brown. I hope he proves me wrong. But I’d rather throw Ty Thompson to the Wolves and get him some big game experience then run the conservative shit with Brown.

We got playmakers on offense. Get them I. The open field and make some fucking plays!
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That being said if The Beavers we’re playing Ohio State I’d be rooting them. Easily.
 
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Tince said:
I was with you on your last post, but not on this one.

Teams that win the national championship were virtually always top 10 recruiters on average in the prior four years. At no point in the history of Oregon football have they averaged a top 10 recruiting class, not even under Chip, until now. I think Mario is directly responsible for getting Oregon to the point where they have the horses to contend.

Where we do agree is that the his in game coach and offensive blueprint does not maximize the talent. I think this can be corrected IF he hires elite cordinators and allows them to do their jobs. I think it'll be much easier for the AD to encourage Mario to give more power to his OC than it would be to replace Mario with another coach who could bring in top 10 classes.

For that reason, I'm no where near wanting Mario gone. If they go 9-3 for the next 4-5 years with top 10 talent, then I suppose you would have to move on.
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Moorhead many thought was an elite coordinator. But the offense looks the exact same as it did with Arroyo.

Shit, Herbert looks like the next great NFL QB but he looked a little above average at Oregon because they played stupid with him.

He needs to recruit and let his coordinators do their job. The line of scrimmage game he wants to win is awesome. But even SEC schools who have NFL starters on their lines play a little more ballsy offensively than the Ducks have under Christobal
 
I fear this won't be pretty... but hope for the best.
 
Tince said:
Ohio St has got commitments from 16, 5* players in the last 4 years.
Oregon has got commitments from 4, 4* players inthe last 4 years (all on defense).

I would not advise on clicking on a thread titled "THE OHIO STATE UNIVERSITY vs oregon ducks" on this board if Blazers fans takes on the Ducks annoy you. :smiley-beerchug:
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Trust me I regretted it immediately upon opening it. Usually, I avoid them but I was bored last night.
As for Oregon's 5*s, if KTs and Flowe are unable to go, the Ducks will have zero consensus 5*s on the field against tOsu.

This whole 5* thing is a bit overblown. Otherways to get talent than just recruiting especially with the new transfer portal rules.
5 (and now 6-year) 3* seniors can be just as good (if not better) than young 4 and 5 * players. Especially on the line when guys hit the weights for several years.
 
Pinwheel1 said:
Trust me I regretted it immediately upon opening it. Usually, I avoid them but I was bored last night.
As for Oregon's 5*s, if KTs and Flowe are unable to go, the Ducks will have zero consensus 5*s on the field against tOsu.

This whole 5* thing is a bit overblown. Otherways to get talent than just recruiting especially with the new transfer portal rules.
5 (and now 6-year) 3* seniors can be just as good (if not better) than young 4 and 5 * players. Especially on the line when guys hit the weights for several years.
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I don't know what the 5* thing is, but there is certainly a strong correlation between recruiting success and success on the field. Does is mean every 5* will be a 1st round pick or no 3* can make it to the NFL? No.
 
This game is a blowout.
My feeling is it will be over by the half.
End score 42-14 Ohio State

Yes i am a Beaver fan but yes i pull for the Ducks and will today. If the Ducks could actually make a game of this it would help the Pac-12 conference greatly. They don't even have to win it. Just stay in the game.

When fans are hoping the team can at least stay in the game obviously it's not a good sign. Who among you actually think the Ducks will run away with a huge victory? The best you read or hear is a very close game.
Most see this as a lop sided victory for the Buckeyes.
 
Oregon's D will be key. Bucks gave up over 400 yards to Gophers, and only scored 1 rushing TD, so if Oregon can score it could be a close game. We will need to sling it down field.
Ducks 34
OSU 31
 
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I'm just curious ...there are so many Ducks fans around here why not start using the Ducks forum on the site instead of the Blazers...so far only MMA, Blazers and Yankees get any traffic...you guys could jumpstart that forum and probably attract Duck fans who aren't even Blazer fans. Anybody searching for Ducks football sites would be steered there instead of hiding in a basketball forum...no big deal but I always wondered why that wasn't a popular forum here
 
MickZagger said:
Shit, Herbert looks like the next great NFL QB but he looked a little above average at Oregon because they played stupid with him.
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Herbert had a really poor collection of wide receivers & TE's to throw too. He had Darren Carrington as a freshman and a couple of seasons of Dillon Mitchell. The rest of his WR quality was the level of Brendan Schooler and Johnny Johnson. Or, he was throwing to tiny receivers like Charles Nelson and Jaylon Redd. And the only decent TE he had was Jacob Breeland, who missed half of Herbert's senior season.

compounding that was that in Herbert's junior and season seasons, the Ducks actually led the nation in dropped passes

also, other than 2 years of Royce Freeman, one of which he was hampered with an injury, Herbert had no elite RB's to absorb attention of the defenses

contrast what Herbert had as support to what Mariotta had as support...

RB's: Kenyon Barner, DeAnthony Thomas, Byron Marshall, Thomas Tyner, Royce Freeman

WR's: Bralon Addison, Josh Huff, DeAnthony Thomas, Byron Marshall (switched from RB), Keanon Lowe, Devon Allen, Dwayne Stanford, Darren Carrington

TE's: Colt Lyerla, Pharoh Brown

Just a wealth of targets and supporting talent compared to Herbert. For all the talk about Cristobal's recruiting chops, there has been a real void in recruiting skill positions in the last couple of years of Helfrich, Taggart's one season, and Mario's first couple of years. At QB, RB, & WR. It has been mostly 3-star talent, or less. That will have an impact on offensive consistency
 
Thibodeaux, Flowe, and Mathis...the 3 starting LB's from last week will all miss the game today. Can't defend well in college football without great LB play
 
wizenheimer said:
Herbert had a really poor collection of wide receivers & TE's to throw too. He had Darren Carrington as a freshman and a couple of seasons of Dillon Mitchell. The rest of his WR quality was the level of Brendan Schooler and Johnny Johnson. Or, he was throwing to tiny receivers like Charles Nelson and Jaylon Redd. And the only decent TE he had was Jacob Breeland, who missed half of Herbert's senior season.

compounding that was that in Herbert's junior and season seasons, the Ducks actually led the nation in dropped passes

also, other than 2 years of Royce Freeman, one of which he was hampered with an injury, Herbert had no elite RB's to absorb attention of the defenses

contrast what Herbert had as support to what Mariotta had as support...

RB's: Kenyon Barner, DeAnthony Thomas, Byron Marshall, Thomas Tyner, Royce Freeman

WR's: Bralon Addison, Josh Huff, DeAnthony Thomas, Byron Marshall (switched from RB), Keanon Lowe, Devon Allen, Dwayne Stanford, Darren Carrington

TE's: Colt Lyerla, Pharoh Brown

Just a wealth of targets and supporting talent compared to Herbert. For all the talk about Cristobal's recruiting chops, there has been a real void in recruiting skill positions in the last couple of years of Helfrich, Taggart's one season, and Mario's first couple of years. At QB, RB, & WR. It has been mostly 3-star talent, or less. That will have an impact on offensive consistency
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Very true.
 
Ducks are only rushing 4 but they are getting no pressure at all on the Buckeye QB. They will have to mix in some blitzes or they will eventually get burned

now, they are starting at their 1 year line....danger time
 
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