The one deal that makes total sense for me.

[magnifier661]

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=la46yrf

Toronto Trades: Lowry
Toronto Receives: T. Young

Philly trades: S. Hawes
Philly receives: D. Wright, Mo Williams, M. Leonard and Will Barton

Portland Trades: D. Wright, Mo Williams, M. Leonard and Will Barton
Portland receives: S. Hawes, Kyle Lowry

Why does Toronto do it?
Lowry will be an unrestricted free agent this summer. I don't believe they can keep him and teams that are under cap can offer him some good money on probably a better location. They aren't really winning anything substantial, so they may need to reload. Adding Young would give them a solid player (borderline all-star capable) on a 3 year contract. They would most likely still make the playoffs and build this summer for the next go around.

Why does Philly do it?
Hawes is also a player that won't likely be back, especially since he knows Noel will most likely be back next season. T. Young is extremely unhappy with Philly openly tanking this season and asked to be traded. Adding the young pieces of Leonard and Barton is decent, knowing that they are totally tanking. Mo Williams and D. Wright will at least make the tank job somewhat entertaining for the fans. Most likely Mo will opt out of his contract this summer; which saves them cap space and playing time for their up and coming star PG.

Why does Portland do it?
Hawes and Lowry would be the perfect 1-2 bench players for our squad. They are semi-veteran and young enough to give us a long window of contention. This would help cut down Aldridge, Lopez and Dame's minutes. Toronto and Philly have the "Bird Rights" for Lowry and Hawes, so we can be over cap and still sign them for what they are worth. The reality is we trade players not getting significant burn, with the exception of Mo Williams and replace them with 2 players that are a solid scoring unit. Also, Lowry seems like a better PG than Williams too.

The reason why I think we can keep Hawes and Lowry easier than their current team is we have an owner willing to pay, as long as we are winning. We look to be in the thick of contention, especially if they come to Portland. Win win for all sides.

 

[Mediocre Man]

So Philly gets a big pile of shit for their two best players?

 

[SlyPokerDog]

I think if Olshey traded Mo and Wright it would hurt his ability to sign Free Agents in the future.

 

[magnifier661]

So Philly gets a big pile of shit for their two best players?

Yep. Guess you missed the memo that they are trying to tank? They actually don't want big pieces. This deal saves them 7 million in salary, plus they remove a 3 year contract from a player that asked to be traded.

 

[julius]

So Philly gets a big pile of shit for their two best players?

Why do you think it makes total sense for Mags?

 

[magnifier661]

I think if Olshey traded Mo and Wright it would hurt his ability to sign Free Agents in the future.

Did it hurt him when he traded Eric Gordon?

 

[JfizzleBlazer]

We don't give up enough. I don't see anyone but us wanting to do it.

 

[magnifier661]

Why do you think it makes total sense for Mags?

Coming from MM and his "keys to building a contender". They are going to tank. They want to tank. Everyone knows it. Their player asked to be traded because he said he doesn't want to tank. A tanking team is wanting to rebuild and lose as many games as they can. Young will not allow it. Hawes won't either. Hawes is an expiring contract that will not come back.

 

[magnifier661]

We don't give up enough. I don't see anyone but us wanting to do it.

Toronto was rumored that they are shopping Lowry. Trading Lowry for Young is a good deal. Philly just saved 23 million (Young's remaining contract) in this deal. There is no way that Young and Hawes will allow Philly to tank. Only way to truly tank is find a team that can't win, even if they want to win.

 

[JfizzleBlazer]

Toronto had a deal in place for a first, shumpert and felton..... That looks a Hell of a lot better than young. Toronto wants to tank too, they want picks or to unload fields, not young.

 

[cmeese47]

I am pretty sure the Raptors need more considering they gave up a lottery pick for Lowry.

 

[magnifier661]

Toronto had a deal in place for a first, shumpert and felton..... That looks a Hell of a lot better than young. Toronto wants to tank too, they want picks or to unload fields, not young.

A first? What first? New York doesn't have a first to trade. Have you seen Shumpert this season? He looks like a big pile of dog shit. Felton is hardly a "OMG" player as well. They just traded for a PG anyway that looks to be the PG of their future. Look at the entire picture.

 

[Mediocre Man]

Coming from MM and his "keys to building a contender". They are going to tank. They want to tank. Everyone knows it. Their player asked to be traded because he said he doesn't want to tank. A tanking team is wanting to rebuild and lose as many games as they can. Young will not allow it. Hawes won't either. Hawes is an expiring contract that will not come back.

They should easily be able to get real pieces for Hawes and or Young. a first or two and a young player that has proven more than Leonar_

Horrible deal for Philly

 

[magnifier661]

I am pretty sure the Raptors need more considering they gave up a lottery pick for Lowry.

Give them last year's 11th pick.

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=km6yote

 

[magnifier661]

They should easily be able to get real pieces for Hawes and or Young. a first or two and a young player that has proven more than Leonar_

Horrible deal for Philly

Not when that player is a unrestricted free agent. Only a winning club will be your trading partner. A team that needs a piece to get over the hump. If you have another "non-contending" team, what ever piece they trade could make them worse and no one willbe giving up any first rounder this season, especially ones that are worth a shit.

 

[JfizzleBlazer]

A first? What first? New York doesn't have a first to trade. Have you seen Shumpert this season? He looks like a big pile of dog shit. Felton is hardly a "OMG" player as well. They just traded for a PG anyway that looks to be the PG of their future. Look at the entire picture.

I am looking at the entire picture. We rape everyone in those deals. It was a 2018 first rounder, and I never said shumpert or Felton were omg players, but neither is young on a much shittier deal.

The raptors wants picks or to unload fields. We can do neither of those things. We will not get Kyle Lowry.

 

[Rhal]

We need a trade thread for all these crazy trades to be put into. I'm guessing we will have a lot more rumors and trade threads the closer to the deadline and having one thread to put it all in might be nice.
Also that's a video game trade mags. We rape every team in both deals.
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[julius]

Give them last year's 11th pick.

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=km6yote

That trade is even worse!

Portland trades 7 (!) players for 3, of which two could feasibly leave after this year, and the third is crap? Sure it would help with back the C, but it would eliminate the backup SF spot, and any backup SG's.

And better yet, why the hell would the other teams agree??

Honestly, stop.

 

[magnifier661]

I am looking at the entire picture. We rape everyone in those deals. It was a 2018 first rounder, and I never said shumpert or Felton were omg players, but neither is young on a much shittier deal.

The raptors wants picks or to unload fields. We can do neither of those things. We will not get Kyle Lowry.

The same argument is made. This year's first rounders will not be giving this season. At least any that are top 15. Also, teams that have talent to give to give away may not be good enough to keep the player.

 

[magnifier661]

We need a trade thread for all these crazy trades to be put into. I'm guessing we will have a lot more rumors and trade threads the closer to the deadline and having one thread to put it all in might be nice.
Also that's a video game trade mags. We rape every team in both deals.
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Sometimes you can come out like this when teams are in a pickle. I think that applies with Toronto and Philly. Two players that will most likely leave and another that asked to be traded.

 

[JfizzleBlazer]

The same argument is made. This year's first rounders will not be giving this season. At least any that are top 15. Also, teams that have talent to give to give away may not be good enough to keep the player.

Huh? Future firsts are more valuable for future trades for Toronto instead of a Thaddeus young contract people don't want to pay. They are trying to unload contracts like Landry fields, not acquire them

 

[magnifier661]

That trade is even worse!

Portland trades 7 (!) players for 3, of which two could feasibly leave after this year, and the third is crap? Sure it would help with back the C, but it would eliminate the backup SF spot, and any backup SG's.

And better yet, why the hell would the other teams agree??

Honestly, stop.

You don't think Portland will be able to keep those players?

 

[magnifier661]

Huh? Future firsts are more valuable for future trades for Toronto instead of a Thaddeus young contract people don't want to pay. They are trying to unload contracts like Landry fields, not acquire them

Young is a 17 PPG, 6.7 rebound and 17.3 PER player. You don't think he's worth 9 mil? WTF?!?! How you feel about Batum getting 11 mil with less points, less rebounds and the same PER?

 

[Draco]

I think Olshey will only do a trade if it is a homerun.Toronto or Philly may be interested in dumping those guys to the highest bidder but not until the day off the trade deadline.

 

[Boob-No-More]

Why does Toronto do it?
Lowry will be an unrestricted free agent this summer. I don't believe they can keep him and teams that are under cap can offer him some good money on probably a better location. They aren't really winning anything substantial, so they may need to reload. Adding Young would give them a solid player (borderline all-star capable) on a 3 year contract. They would most likely still make the playoffs and build this summer for the next go around.

I wouldn't be so sure about that. Since they traded Rudy Gay, they are 4-1 with road wins at DAL and OKC. They are in 1st place in the pathetic Atlantic Conference and currently have HCA in the first round. As bad as the East is, they could easily win their division and make it to the second round.

Lowry is easily their second best player, possibly their best. Thad Young is not a borderline all-star. If he is then Lowry is a shoe in to make the all-star team. Toronto actually has a pretty good 3-guard rotation since the Rudy Gay trade. Both Lowry and Greivis Vasquez can play both guard positions. Lowry starts at PG with Terence Ross at SG and then Vasquez comes in guards the other team's SG, but lets Lowry play of the ball on offense. Seems to be working well for them. If they trade Lowry, it leaves them thin in the backcourt.

And, they wouldn't have Young locked up for three years - it would be one and a half. He has a player option for 2105-16. And, would he even start in Toronto? Amir Johnson has been absolutely BEASTING. He's racking up double-doubles, including 32/10 in a win over the Lakers and here's his FG shooting over the last 9 games:

7/10 = .700
9/15 = .600
14/17 = .824
9/11 = .818
8/11 = .727
6/11 = .545
5/9 = .546
5/8 = .625
7/11 = .636

Total: 70/103 = .680

And he's averaging 17.8/9.6 over those last 9 games. Do you really bench a guy who's playing like that in favor of Thad Young? Young is a good player, but you end up giving up a starter (Lowry) and creating a log jam at PF.

I don't think Toronto would be even slightly interested in this trade.

BNM

 

[julius]

You don't think Portland will be able to keep those players?

That's not the point. the point is you're throwing out crap hoping to get the best out of the trade (outside of Young) and on top of that saving Portland between 13 and 14 million next year (more if you included McCollum which is sounded like you thought would be ok), for two players who aren't really worth more than the MLE. And wouldn't really do a lot for the team this year and would make the depth on the team worse. AND they could both leave if they wanted to.

 

[magnifier661]

I think Olshey will only do a trade if it is a homerun.Toronto or Philly may be interested in dumping those guys to the highest bidder but not until the day off the trade deadline.

I can see us getting a player like Lowry this summer with our MLE. I don't think it's enough to get Hawes. If we could manage a deal for Hawes, with only using Robinson, Claver and Leonard; we should jump on it. Then the summer, we can get Lowry anyway.

 

[Boob-No-More]

Young is a 17 PPG, 6.7 rebound and 17.3 PER player. You don't think he's worth 9 mil? WTF?!?! How you feel about Batum getting 11 mil with less points, less rebounds and the same PER?

Big fish/small pond. Young is putting up those numbers as the number 2 option on a team that's 8-20. Batum is putting up his numbers as the number 4 option on a team that's 23-5.

BNM

 

[magnifier661]

I wouldn't be so sure about that. Since they traded Rudy Gay, they are 4-1 with road wins at DAL and OKC. They are in 1st place in the pathetic Atlantic Conference and currently have HCA in the first round. As bad as the East is, they could easily win their division and make it to the second round.

Lowry is easily their second best player, possibly their best. Thad Young is not a borderline all-star. If he is then Lowry is a shoe in to make the all-star team. Toronto actually has a pretty good 3-guard rotation since the Rudy Gay trade. Both Lowry and Greivis Vasquez can play both guard positions. Lowry starts at PG with Terence Ross at SG and then Vasquez comes in guards the other team's SG, but lets Lowry play of the ball on offense. Seems to be working well for them. If they trade Lowry, it leaves them thin in the backcourt.

And, they wouldn't have Young locked up for three years - it would be one and a half. He has a player option for 2105-16. And, would he even start in Toronto? Amir Johnson has been absolutely BEASTING. He's racking up double-doubles, including 32/10 in a win over the Lakers and here's his FG shooting over the last 9 games:

7/10 = .700
9/15 = .600
14/17 = .824
9/11 = .818
8/11 = .727
6/11 = .545
5/9 = .546
5/8 = .625
7/11 = .636

Total: 70/103 = .680

And he's averaging 17.8/9.6 over those last 9 games. Do you really bench a guy who's playing like that in favor of Thad Young? Young is a good player, but you end up giving up a starter (Lowry) and creating a log jam at PF.

I don't think Toronto would be even slightly interested in this trade.

BNM

The question isn't who is better. If Young was better than Lowry, I would rather have him. The question is, do you think Toronto will be able to keep Lowry?

 

[JfizzleBlazer]

The question isn't who is better. If Young was better than Lowry, I would rather have him. The question is, do you think Toronto will be able to keep Lowry?

If they want to, sure. Lowry wants to start and deserves to. He would probably resign with Toronto if hes the starter instead of signing with us to be a backup