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Sorry, but I did not find the fellow in the video funny. Just rather good and embelishing a point without any truth behind it.
 
jonnyboy said:
I think it's fair to point out the most egregious example first, which is what I did in starting this thread.
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I brought up CNN which is just as bad, maybe more or less depending on your criteria for judging and it was deflecting.

I LOVE Amazon but it is like loving Pizza or beer. Not good for our health.

I did see they're adding 1000 jobs in North Las Vegas. Shitty jobs I suppose.

I tried to bring up what I remember to be a US postal service deal with China that is fucking over American companies but nobody cared cuz Trump didn't do it.
 
bodyman5000 and 1 said:
You just made the exact same point I was making about CNN and Fox. It would be hilarious if it wasn't so sad. These TDS sufferers are the first thing I've seen in my lifetime that rivals the OJ trial.

If Twitter was around during OJ's trial I may have had to end my life or move to a cabin in the woods.
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I never discounted your point in the other thread, I only mocked the example used for the reasons it was used. A good point is supported by good examples. I'm sorry that is still effecting your life in such a negative way.
 
jonnyboy said:
I think it's fair to point out the most egregious example first, which is what I did in starting this thread.
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By what standard is this the most egregious example? Trumps standard?
 
Except for the libritarians here I believe most everyone agrees Amazon should pay a more reasonable tax.

Now that we are on the same page, how do we get that done? It’s not by targeting Amazon but by taking out so many of the corporate loopholes or establishing a basement tax level that no Corp can go under.

The reason for the push back in this thread from many isn’t that they believe Amazon is pure as snow or that their tax level is perfect. It’s that the only reason for highlighting Amazon is because Trump hates Bezos and his newspaper. That’s a sleazy thing. Presidents aren’t supposed to pick on American companies. It’s rarely done and usually only when they are caught doing something illegal. Not as a way to degrade the free press.

But I’d be all for Amazon and all Corporations paying some established minimum of 15% or something like that.
 
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Except for the libritarians here I believe most everyone agrees Amazon should pay a more reasonable tax.

Now that we are on the same page, how do we get that done? It’s not by targeting Amazon but by taking out so many of the corporate loopholes or establishing a basement tax level that no Corp can go under.

The reason for the push back in this thread from many isn’t that they believe Amazon is pure as snow or that their tax level is perfect. It’s that the only reason for highlighting Amazon is because Trump hates Bezos and his newspaper. That’s a sleazy thing. Presidents aren’t supposed to pick on American companies. It’s rarely done and usually only when they are caught doing something illegal. Not as a way to degrade the free press.

But I’d be all for Amazon and all Corporations paying some established minimum of 15% or something like that.
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If I hate my neighbor and turn him in for domestic violence knowing my other neighbor does it too that doesn't make me a saint but at least I did something positive.
 
donkiez said:
I never discounted your point in the other thread, I only mocked the example used for the reasons it was used. A good point is supported by good examples. I'm sorry that is still effecting your life in such a negative way.
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It had no impact on my life other than pointing out more hypocrisy from the TDS sufferers and I wasn't speaking about you anyway. I was speaking of the thread cup....I mean thread cop.

Amazon needs to pay just like Walmart or any other corporation needs to pay their fair share. Duh
 
donkiez said:
By what standard is this the most egregious example? Trumps standard?
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Because Amazon has the largest dollar gap between gross income and taxes payed. Their owner is the richest man in the world. I don't know, what more is there to say really? How else could one prove they are the most egregious example? What other parameters could one judge by? It actually confuses me that you are confused by this.
 
bodyman5000 and 1 said:
If I hate my neighbor and turn him in for domestic violence knowing my other neighbor does it too that doesn't make me a saint but at least I did something positive.
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It’s more like you pointing at one neighbor and saying he shouldn’t beat his wife even though you elected someone who is a supporter of the right to beat ones wife.


Analogy- not saying Trump supports wife beating. I’m saying Trump has been all for corporations paying less then they already did, which was already ridiculously low.
 
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It’s more like you pointing at one neighbor and saying he shouldn’t beat his wife even though you elected someone who is a supporter of the right to beat ones wife.


Analogy- not saying Trump supports wife beating. I’m saying Trump has been all for corporations paying less then they already did, which was already ridiculously low.
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No, my analogy is right. He's right about Amazon just for the wrong reason. If that means the tax code is the problem...fine. Hell, fixing it for Amazon would mean others would have to pay too.

BUT, you guys are missing the real hypocrisy.

In the debate Trump told Hillary she'd just waste his tax payments (right!)

And then he signed that hideous 1.2-3 trillion dollar joke of a budget. THAT'S what irritates me. Not Stormy fucking Daniels.
 
julius said:
Actually I did.

I'm commenting about how Trump lowered taxes on the corporations because we taxed them too much, yet Bezos (and tons of other companies) pay very little in taxes.

Also I'm commenting that the government doesn't give 2 shits about you or me, and just spin shit to make it so those who have the money keep it and aren't required to play the game fairly.
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tlongII said:
I assume you know that corporations pay matching taxes for employee income tax.
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You must be talking about FICA.
 
jonnyboy said:


Jeff Bezos is the richest person on the planet, and Forbes' first centi-billionaire (person worth hundreds of billions). His company pays no federal taxes and many of his employees are forced to collect government benefits because they are paid shit wages.

In this video, my favorite liberal, Jimmy Dore, takes establishment liberal sociopath Jeff Bezos to task.

Please watch.
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The poorest person I know also paid more taxes than Trump.
 
bodyman5000 and 1 said:
No, my analogy is right. He's right about Amazon just for the wrong reason. If that means the tax code is the problem...fine. Hell, fixing it for Amazon would mean others would have to pay too.

BUT, you guys are missing the real hypocrisy.

In the debate Trump told Hillary she'd just waste his tax payments (right!)

And then he signed that hideous 1.2-3 trillion dollar joke of a budget. THAT'S what irritates me. Not Stormy fucking Daniels.
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Well I agree that Stormy Daniels doesn’t bother me either. But paying her off with in-kind donations 2 weeks before the election does. And that doesn’t even bother me too much.

But that’s not the point of this thread.

How much pushback have you gotten saying Amazon is paying the right amount? It’s s bunch of folks trying to point out the hypocrisy of pointing out just Amazon - because Bezos also owns a paper Trump hates.

But what really does bother me is how petty Trump is calling out certain American companies because he feels slighted. For Fucks-sake, the President is supposed to be a beacon for American companies. Obama, Bush, Clinton, Bush ... none of them were so disgustingly petty. It’s bad, it’s ugly and it’s damaging.

Add to that the Amazon case is even more deplorable because at the root of calling them out is Trump once again trying to interfere with the Press.
 
jonnyboy said:
Not when they are payed in stocks, and the entire payroll is tax-deductible, so taxpayers end up footing the bill.

Is it impossible to watch the video that is the subject of the thread before trying to refute it?
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Do you even know how corporate taxes work? Every company's payroll is tax deductible.

I tried to watch the video, but those people are irritating. Maybe you could summarize the argument/data instead of trying to get us to watch a 13 minute video?

barfo
 
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I’m saying Trump has been all for corporations paying less then they already did, which was already ridiculously low.
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In this thread I see Amazon pays no tax. I suspect that is not accurate at all, but they may not pay any tax on profits. Quite probably, for good reason.
Do you think it is less now after the Trump tax cut? Or the same?
 
barfo said:
Do you even know how corporate taxes work? Every company's payroll is tax deductible.

I tried to watch the video, but those people are irritating. Maybe you could summarize the argument/data instead of trying to get us to watch a 13 minute video?

barfo
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You can claim a tax deduction on employee pay, but it is not 100% tax deductible. Nor is the social security or Medicare an employer matches. Amazon uses a loophole by giving their employees stock as compensation for work, instead of salary or wage, and writes off everything. If you think that's cool, cool. Don't accuse me of holding a double standard just because i never said anything about any other companies doing it. Did you expect me to write a research paper scrutinizing every company who has ever manipulated the tax code, just to be fair? Or are you just on a witch hunt to prove me wrong because we generally don't agree on most things, and that's the game?
 
I could create a thread saying 2+2=4 and the usual suspects would swoop in and find ways to disagree, or demand I acknowledge other math equations or else I am ignoring facts.

Or say I want to blow Trump because we use the same tactics to accomplish basic arithmetic.
 
jonnyboy said:
The poorest person you know paid millions of dollars in income tax? Damn dude. You roll with the big ballers.
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I didn't say this year. There was a year where he made a whole lot and paid nothing according to a copy of his return made public by his accountant. I don't believe he's made any returns totally public in all the intervening years. I believe he released his version of what he paid at the last year that was finalized.
 
jonnyboy said:
I could create a thread saying 2+2=4 and the usual suspects would swoop in and find ways to disagree, or demand I acknowledge other math equations or else I am ignoring facts.
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Huh? What's this about? Why pussyfoot around?
 
Lanny said:
I didn't say this year. There was a year where he made a whole lot and paid nothing according to a copy of his return made public by his accountant. I don't believe he's made any returns totally public in all the intervening years. I believe he released his version of what he paid at the last year that was finalized.
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Is this just a game to see who can get me to defend Donald Trump? Can you guys not just get it through your skulls that I found something I didn't like with Amazon's financial practices, and there were no strings attached to that? Does everything have to somehow wind it's way back to me being batshit crazy Trump maniac?

Seriously, it's getting old. Get a new fucking shtick.
 
MarAzul said:
In this thread I see Amazon pays no tax. I suspect that is not accurate at all, but they may not pay any tax on profits. Quite probably, for good reason.
Do you think it is less now after the Trump tax cut? Or the same?
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I do not know. But more corps are paying less. If they were already at 0, can’t get much lower.

This is hardly a Trump only problem, he just personifies the issue and wishes to perpetuate and decrease the corporate tax levels even more.
 
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barfo said:
Do you pay more tax than you are legally required to? Why do you think Amazon should?

barfo
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Because being the richest cocksucker on the planet should come with some inherent responsibility.
 
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