The Post Office

[barfo]

And, amazingly enough, the $70K figure is bogus. Letter carrier wages top out at around $58K.

Link.

barfo

 

[Denny Crane]

The USPS has never had it easy; rules and regulations have long dictated how the service can charge and handle everyday business. As such, this has crippled the company's ability to make a steady profit.

When the likes of UPS and FedEx can charge whatever they want, it immediately gives USPS a disadvantage.

(Copied from something I read)

Rules and regulations are good things!

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[Denny Crane]

And, amazingly enough, the $70K figure is bogus. Letter carrier wages top out at around $58K.

Link.

barfo

Letter carriers pay tops out at $23.15/hr, or $56804.80/year without overtime. Tack on 7 hours a week of overtime at time and a half and they can make $70K+.

Only rural mail carriers are paid salary. The rest are hourly. I don't know how an hourly worker gets paid vacation, let alone 2 months of it.

 

[BLAZER PROPHET]

And, amazingly enough, the $70K figure is bogus. Letter carrier wages top out at around $58K.

Link.

barfo

True. He was also some sort of supervisor. But he told me he still "slung a bag" and called himself a letter carrier. He was an E-8 with the unit he was in.

I do not know if his USPS retirement was one where he contributed to or not. Nice guy, too. Really knew his stuff in the Reserves. The reserve unit I trained when I was in the Navy was a challenge as very few kept up on their job when not training.

 

[BLAZER PROPHET]

Letter carriers pay tops out at $23.15/hr, or $56804.80/year without overtime. Tack on 7 hours a week of overtime at time and a half and they can make $70K+.

Only rural mail carriers are paid salary. The rest are hourly. I don't know how an hourly worker gets paid vacation, let alone 2 months of it.

I didn't the pay was anything unusual, but I was surprised about the time off. They get the holidays + personal days (I get 2 of those per year myself) + regular vacation time. Now some companies give non vacation time off for Reserve duty and some also give separate sick time. So ending up with 60 days per year is not unusual. I have 5 years in with my company and I have 30 days per year. At 10 years it's up to about 40.

 

[The_Lillard_King]

Letter carriers pay tops out at $23.15/hr, or $56804.80/year without overtime. Tack on 7 hours a week of overtime at time and a half and they can make $70K+.

Only rural mail carriers are paid salary. The rest are hourly. I don't know how an hourly worker gets paid vacation, let alone 2 months of it.

I see nothing wrong with the above pay rate. Average vet mail carrier (guessing that is a grind of a career) makes 57K/yr. Work 45-50 hours a week and your are making 70K+ . . . basically 10 hour daily grind nets you 70K plus benefits. Sounds about right to me.

I tell you what, many of the unemployed andso called part time employed could not handle the bureaucracy, politics and daily grind it takes to be a mial carrier.

Personally If I had to spend 50 hours a week in that atmosphere for 70K/yr I'd blow my brains out before I even topped out. (They probably start you out at 13-15/hr with 2 weeks of vacation a year)

 

[barfo]

I see nothing wrong with the above pay rate. Average mail carrier (guessing that is a grind of a job) makes 57K/yr.

No, that's the top rate, reached after 20 years of service. Most mail carriers make less than that.

Personally If I had to spend 50 hours a week in that atmosphere for 70K/yr I'd blow my brains out before I even topped out. (They probably start you out at 13-15/hr with 2 weeks of vacation a year)

There is a reason why they call it 'going postal'. Although I think that's more the mail sorters than the mail carriers. Sorting would be an even uglier job, I'd guess.

barfo

 

[BLAZER PROPHET]

Although I think that's more the mail sorters than the mail carriers. Sorting would be an even uglier job, I'd guess.

barfo

I sorted mail for a while. It was boring as hell.

 

[The_Lillard_King]

No, that's the top rate, reached after 20 years of service. Most mail carriers make less than that.



There is a reason why they call it 'going postal'. Although I think that's more the mail sorters than the mail carriers. Sorting would be an even uglier job, I'd guess.

barfo

I totally get the "postal."

I think not only is it the monotonos job duties but the whole supervisors, overtime slips, things being approved, not getting vacation time you want, notes from the doctor to prove you sick, strange promotions, favoritism, wastefulness . . . Ahhh I go postal just thinking about it. Living that for 20 years to get to work overtime for 70K+ a month, fair in my book.

 

[MickZagger]

I'd like to better understand why UPS and Fedex can make profits, yet the USPS is doing so terribly.

1 day air and huge accounts like Nike, Nautilus, William Sonoma etc....

Also need to take into account that UPS ships up to 150lb packages.

 

[MickZagger]

Letter carriers dont make anywhere near $70,000 a year. UPS driver, yes. Postal service? GTFO!

 

[Denny Crane]

I see nothing wrong with the above pay rate. Average vet mail carrier (guessing that is a grind of a career) makes 57K/yr. Work 45-50 hours a week and your are making 70K+ . . . basically 10 hour daily grind nets you 70K plus benefits. Sounds about right to me.

I tell you what, many of the unemployed andso called part time employed could not handle the bureaucracy, politics and daily grind it takes to be a mial carrier.

Personally If I had to spend 50 hours a week in that atmosphere for 70K/yr I'd blow my brains out before I even topped out. (They probably start you out at 13-15/hr with 2 weeks of vacation a year)

I have no beef with what they make. On the other hand, if the USPS is losing gobs of money, they do need to cut expenses.

 

[Denny Crane]

They probably should raise the price of a stamp, again.

Or they could just give the USPS to the union and wipe out the shareholders and creditors.

 

[The_Lillard_King]

How much does Fedex and UPS charge to send a piece of standard mail 3-5 days?

 

[SlyPokerDog]

The fed gov should start a national lottery. Earmark the money earned for specific things like national debt, national parks and other shit. Since everyone knows that lotteries are just a poor tax anyway there shouldn't be much opposition to this.

Make the post office the retailers where people buy and redeem their tickets. That way the post offices get some extra revenue in like all the convenience stores do with the state lotteries.

 

[barfo]

The fed gov should start a national lottery. Earmark the money earned for specific things like national debt, national parks and other shit. Since everyone knows that lotteries are just a poor tax anyway there shouldn't be much opposition to this.

Make the post office the retailers where people buy and redeem their tickets. That way the post offices get some extra revenue in like all the convenience stores do with the state lotteries.

How about just making the stamps the lottery tickets, and charging lottery ticket prices for them? And let's say the sender and the recipient share the prize equally.

barfo

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

How much does Fedex and UPS charge to send a piece of standard mail 3-5 days?

I think a Fedex envelope on the 2-3 day (slowest one I believe) is $15 maybe?

 

[SlyPokerDog]

How about just making the stamps the lottery tickets, and charging lottery ticket prices for them? And let's say the sender and the recipient share the prize equally.

barfo

No but we could have a Green Card lottery for illegal aliens. Every month the feds action off 1000 green cards, charge $100 a ticket and whenever anyone shows up to collect we can arrest them for being an illegal alien.

 

[barfo]

No but we could have a Green Card lottery for illegal aliens. Every month the feds action off 1000 green cards, charge $100 a ticket and whenever anyone shows up to collect we can arrest them for being an illegal alien.

Or we could just say that anyone who goes to the post office is obviously too poor to afford fedex and therefore undesirable, and we could have a machine that turns them into soylent green.

barfo

 

[Denny Crane]

How much does Fedex and UPS charge to send a piece of standard mail 3-5 days?

FedEx and UPS (and others) are forbidden by law to deliver standard mail.

 

[The_Lillard_King]

FedEx and UPS (and others) are forbidden by law to deliver standard mail.

Can't you stick a piece of standard mail into one of those small envelopes they have and send it 3-5 days mail?

 

[Denny Crane]

Can't you stick a piece of standard mail into one of those small envelopes they have and send it 3-5 days mail?

That you can, but FedEx and UPS can't put the mail in your mailbox.

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

I used to Fedex anything if I had to weight it before sending it. I think overnighting an envelope is like $50.

The post office people are assholes sometimes they get all anal with the placement of stamps, zip codes, the return receipts etc..if its over 16 oz you have to bring it in to the office, you can't drop it off, its easier to fedex it.

 

[The_Lillard_King]

That you can, but FedEx and UPS can't put the mail in your mailbox.

They deliver it to your door (same thing)

Just went to UPS website. For a letter to be mailed across town, the only option I got was next day for 22.98.

I think USPS should start charging a buck a letter . . . no one would compete with them, iMO. Heck 5.00 a letter and watch USPS start raking in the cash.

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

Yeah, for bulk mailings that would suck.

 

[The_Lillard_King]

Yeah, for bulk mailings that would suck.

It would suck for society to have to send a peice of US mail for 5.00, but if you want to see USPS perform like USPS and Fedex, let them set their own rates.

 

[BLAZER PROPHET]

I worked for UPS years ago. At that time the USPS determined where they could take packages. We were forbidden from taking packages to PO Boxes, overseas, and even in some areas of this country.

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

they still can't deliver to PO boxes.

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

It would suck for society to have to send a peice of US mail for 5.00, but if you want to see USPS perform like USPS and Fedex, let them set their own rates.

You just adapt though based on cost. If they started charging a buck a letter, I wouldn't send anything out anymore.

I send out periodic email/fax blasts for events I put together....I stopped doing USPS because of the costs involved for much of it. I have a yearly event still I put together and I sent out 1500 pieces of mail.

 

[BLAZER PROPHET]

they still can't deliver to PO boxes.

I think it's the only restriction.

The problem with the USPS is like any government entity they play with house (tax payer) money and zero accountability. It's just the way our government seems to work.