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KingSpeed said:
You make some good points but Butler WAS their second best player when he went down. He was hitting game winning shots and was the second option in the starting lineup. That you don't remember that doesn't make it not true.
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Give me one example of one game winner Butler hit during the 2010-2011.

I don't remember that he was the 2nd option...? Uh, Jason Terry scored more points per game than him. They spread out the scoring too, it wasn't like a Dame+CJ thing. You always bang the Aminu drum, so you should know how valuable defense, rebounding, and intangibles are. So why aren't you valuing those when it comes to Kidd, Marion, and Chandler? Oh yeah, because they don't work with your argument, so you selectively choose when you want to value things other than scoring for arguments sake.
 
KingSpeed said:
I didn't say they would continue to play poorly but the 6-11 stretch was awful and it happened with a healthy Wes and it all but cost us the 1 seed.
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Then what is the argument here...?
 
KingSpeed said:
I have maintained for weeks now that the trash warriors will make the playoffs but that I'd be shocked if they get by the first round.
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And you were posting better lately... Why do you try to sound dumb? Cmon now.
 
BonesJones said:
Then what is the argument here...?
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The point is that we fell from grace before Wes went down. This argument started because someone said we always play well in the second half of the season under Stotts but in 2014 and 2015, we had a major collapse late in season. That is all.
 
KingSpeed said:
You make some good points but Butler WAS their second best player when he went down. He was hitting game winning shots and was the second option in the starting lineup. That you don't remember that doesn't make it not true.
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You are literally making this up about Caron Butler.
 
KingSpeed said:
The point is that we fell from grace before Wes went down. This argument started because someone said we always play well in the second half of the season under Stotts but in 2014 and 2015, we had a major collapse late in season. That is all.
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"Fell from grace"? What does that mean, exactly? We were no longer a great team? We were in a bad stretch?

During that 6-11 stretch, we had 1 OT loss, with 8 of the other 10 losses coming by 7 or fewer points. And almost every single one was against a playoff team. We had an insanely tough schedule where we had a couple of plays decide almost every game, that just didn't go in our favor. We weren't "falling apart" until Wes got hurt. That's not a "major collapse" unless you simply just look at record, which you're doing. There's context to every situation.
 
hoopsjock said:
You are literally making this up about Caron Butler.
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Makes something up that didn't happen, then says that just because people don't "remember it" doesn't mean it didn't happen, as if it did. Lmao.
 
hoopsjock said:
You are literally making this up about Caron Butler.
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Not at all. He had actually just scored 30 against the Spurs in the game before he got hurt. He was their second option. Most people don't remember that because he didn't play in the playoffs. But in the regular season, he was second option in the second unit. It was a big adjustment after he got hurt. They went on a 6 game losing streak right after he got hurt.
 
BonesJones said:
"Fell from grace"? What does that mean, exactly? We were no longer a great team? We were in a bad stretch?

During that 6-11 stretch, we had 1 OT loss, with 8 of the other 10 losses coming by 7 or fewer points. And almost every single one was against a playoff team. We had an insanely tough schedule where we had a couple of plays decide almost every game, that just didn't go in our favor. We weren't "falling apart" until Wes got hurt. That's not a "major collapse" unless you simply just look at record, which you're doing. There's context to every situation.
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We went from a possible one seed to a team that would struggle to get the "4" seed and only because Durant was hurt.
 
BJ- you were like 14 then and not doing YouTube shows and following Dallas closely like I was. Nothing wrong with that. Don't say I don't know my basketball though.
 
KingSpeed said:
We went from a possible one seed to a team that would struggle to get the "4" seed and only because Durant was hurt.
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Yeah, because Wes went down. We weren't at that point before he went down. We were playing our best basketball, and was 3rd in the West right before he went down...
 
BonesJones said:
We're talking about your Caron Butler statements. What does this mean?....
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Yes. Right after Caron Butler went down, Dallas lost 6 straight. Blowouts. Caron was their second option and it was a big loss. But they stuck together and won the title anyway.
 
BonesJones said:
Yeah, because Wes went down. We weren't at that point before he went down. We were playing our best basketball right before he went down...
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We had a 5 game win streak before he went down. Too small sample size to say we were going to streak and win the 2 seed especially since we had just got 6-11.
 
5 game win streak is too small of a sample size.
BUT 6 GAMES. Now that's another story.
 
KingSpeed said:
BJ- you were like 14 then and not doing YouTube shows and following Dallas closely like I was. Nothing wrong with that. Don't say I don't know my basketball though.
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I followed the NBA as closely back then as I do now.

You've shown to have trouble understanding the basketball you're following in present time so I don't doubt that you're memory trying to fill in blanks.
 
KingSpeed said:
We had a 5 game win streak before he went down. Too small sample size to say we were going to streak and win the 2 seed especially since we had just got 6-11.
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So? You're saying we had "collapsed" by the time he went down even though we were 3rd and coming off a 5-game win streak over multiple playoff teams.

And you trying to argue about sample size is hilarious. Orlando is a playoff team because they had a good October, correct?
 
honkicracker said:
5 game win streak is too small of a sample size.
BUT 6 GAMES. Now that's another story.
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6 blowouts after losing their second option. It's not a small sample size because it shows that it was an adjustment for Dallas after losing their second best player.
 
BonesJones said:
I followed the NBA as closely back then as I do now.

You've shown to have trouble understanding the basketball you're following in present time so I don't doubt that you're memory trying to fill in blanks.
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If you didn't remember that Butler was their second option, then you weren't following very carefully.
 
KingSpeed said:
Yes. Right after Caron Butler went down, Dallas lost 6 straight. Blowouts. Caron was their second option and it was a big loss. But they stuck together and won the title anyway.
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I'm not saying he wasn't a sizable loss. They had to adjust to losing a starter, just as any team would've. They would've struggled to adjust to losing Chandler, Marion, Terry, or Kidd... How does this mean he was their second best player? You're argument for that is seriously "they struggled after he got hurt, so he was their 2nd best player"? Seriously...? We struggle without Aminu... Or Davis...

You can't even argue the stats I provided you with. Defense matters. You know that. He was a one-dimensional player on a team with a bunch of great two-way/all-around players.
 
You guys are hypocrites because you say that 5 game win streak isn't small sample size. Then you dismiss Mavs 6 straight blowout losses. Instead of owning that you're a hypocrite, you turn it back around on me. Make up your mind.
 
BonesJones said:
I'm not saying he wasn't a sizable loss. They had to adjust to losing a starter, just as any team would've. They would've struggled to adjust to losing Chandler, Marion, Terry, or Kidd... How does this mean he was their second best player? You're argument for that is seriously "they struggled after he got hurt, so he was their 2nd best player"? Seriously...? We struggle without Aminu... Or Davis...

You can't even argue the stats I provided you with. Defense matters. You know that. He was a one-dimensional player on a team with a bunch of great two-way/all-around players.
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He was their second highest scorer in their starting lineup. The point is that they were still able to win the championship and we should've been able to win a ROUND after losing Wes. We still had two All Stars. Dallas only had one All Star that year (Dirk) and won the title.
 
Literally throwing shit on a wall and hoping it sticks.

5 game win streak, 6 game loss streak are both small sample sizes.

Literally impossible to talk to someone who has admitted they can't be objective.
 
KingSpeed said:
If you didn't remember that Butler was their second option, then you weren't following very carefully.
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Butler in 2010-2011 (Played up until the 1st game in Jan, when he got hurt):
15ppg
Jason Terry splits in 2010-2011
OCT: 16.7ppg
NOV: 15.9
DEC: 15.0

So how the fuck was Butler their 2nd option? For a dude that's acting like he was a Mavs superfan at the time, the stats COMPLETELY disagree with you.
 
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