The real action begins July 1st

[alex42083]

The way I see it, Portland went into the draft with this roster;

Aldridge
Batum
Bayless
Blake
Fernandez
Oden
Outlaw
Joel P
Roy
Webster

Also, cap holds for, but not roster spots for;

Petri
Freeland

That is 10 filled roster spots. You must fill 14, so when the draft started Portland had 4 minimum salary cap holds cutting into their available free agent money. We drafted Claver, a lotto pick according to Bilas had he not broken his ankle. Claver will not take a roster spot, but will be a cap hold of around $900,000. When you take the minimum cap hold (approx. $450,000) for what would have been his roster spot and subtract it from Clavers cap hit, drafting a potential lotto pick and stashing him is only costing the Blazers aprox. $450,000 of cap space. I do not think that will be the difference maker in getting Hedo. It will not be the difference maker in Sessions. I would also say it would not be the difference maker in Kidd or Miller.

Looking at it another way, we traded away Sergios $1.6 mil salary for next year, added Claver, who's cap hold is around $900,000, we cut $700,000 of salary, to be added to the available free agent money. Claver will be a valuable asset. Him being on the cap is far less detrimental than Petri or Freeland.

From what I understand, Petteri and Freeland do count toward our roster -- only during the offseason. So their cap hold is whatever their first-round rookie scale salary is for them at where they were drafted. That only counts in the offseason.
That makes it 12 filled roster spots. You forgot to include Channing, which makes it 13 since we haven't renounced him yet. Claver makes 14 so his $1.01 million salary counts as a cap hold this summer.
The roster charges of $450,000 only count when you're under 12 players, not 14. That's how I see it after reading Coon's site..

 

[Mediocre Man]

From what I understand, Petteri and Freeland do count toward our roster -- only during the offseason. So their cap hold is whatever their first-round rookie scale salary is for them at where they were drafted. That only counts in the offseason.
That makes it 12 filled roster spots. You forgot to include Channing, which makes it 13 since we haven't renounced him yet. Claver makes 14 so his $1.01 million salary counts as a cap hold this summer.
The roster charges of $450,000 only count when you're under 12 players, not 14. That's how I see it after reading Coon's site..

correct . Kop and Joel each have cap holds until the season starts of 864,000 each. and Claver of 1 mil. ish.

That gives Portland another 2.5 or so in additional cap space this winter if they do nothing before then.

 

[alex42083]

correct . Kop and Joel each have cap holds until the season starts of 864,000 each. and Claver of 1 mil. ish.

That gives Portland another 2.5 or so in additional cap space this winter if they do nothing before then.

So potentially we could set ourselves up for another summer free agency meltdown on this board if KP and the gang stand pat again and say we have another chance at the trade deadline. And considering KP has stated he hates making trades at the deadline, that could set us up for another meltdown. This is going to be classic.

 

[andalusian]

So potentially we could set ourselves up for another summer free agency meltdown on this board if KP and the gang stand pat again and say we have another chance at the trade deadline. And considering KP has stated he hates making trades at the deadline, that could set us up for another meltdown. This is going to be classic.

My gut feeling is that with the team getting closer to contention - and with two chips that are attractive before the summer of '10 - there is a good chance he will be able to get attractive offers this year - if Travis and Blake are not moved beforehand.

 

[Mediocre Man]

So potentially we could set ourselves up for another summer free agency meltdown on this board if KP and the gang stand pat again and say we have another chance at the trade deadline. And considering KP has stated he hates making trades at the deadline, that could set us up for another meltdown. This is going to be classic.

Yes, potentially.

What I think will happen is this

Blake and Outlaw will both stay.

Pritchard will go out and sign a PG

Then we will have an overload of people at PG and SF and there will be constant griping internally. the team will make the playoffs, but finish with a worse record.

Poeple will really start to question whether KP can ever make a trade involving his precious youth for a vet.

 

[e_blazer]

From what I understand, Petteri and Freeland do count toward our roster -- only during the offseason. So their cap hold is whatever their first-round rookie scale salary is for them at where they were drafted. That only counts in the offseason.
That makes it 12 filled roster spots. You forgot to include Channing, which makes it 13 since we haven't renounced him yet. Claver makes 14 so his $1.01 million salary counts as a cap hold this summer.
The roster charges of $450,000 only count when you're under 12 players, not 14. That's how I see it after reading Coon's site..

Freeland, Koponen, and Claver's cap hold will be counted in team salary this summer, but only players that are actually under contract count towards minimum and maximum roster size numbers.

One other point about the title of this thread, trades can happen between now and June 30 under the 08-09 year salary numbers. Once July 1 gets here, the league goes into lockdown on trades until the new salary cap is set. So, unless something happens in the next few days, there won't be any action until mid-July or later.

 

[alex42083]

Freeland, Koponen, and Claver's cap hold will be counted in team salary this summer, but only players that are actually under contract count towards minimum and maximum roster size numbers.

This is how I read it on Coon's site, in terms of roster charges:

A roster charge if the team has fewer than 12 players (players under contract, free agents included in team salary, players given offer sheets, and first round draft picks). The roster charge is equal to the rookie minimum salary for each player below 12. The roster charge only applies during the offseason.

Freeland, Koponen and Claver count as players on the roster as first-round draft picks, 'but' only in the offseason if you want roster charges to apply your cap.

 

[adrenalize74]

I would believe that if we go out and get another vet PG (like Hinrich) that Blake would be part of the deal. Why do we need 3 PGs on the roster? If Blake/Hinrich start and Bayless is backup, Roy picks up minutes there as well. We have 2.5 PG that way. No way I see adding another PG and have Bayless AGAIN at 3rd off the bench...NO way.

 

[andalusian]

I would believe that if we go out and get another vet PG (like Hinrich) that Blake would be part of the deal. Why do we need 3 PGs on the roster? If Blake/Hinrich start and Bayless is backup, Roy picks up minutes there as well. We have 2.5 PG that way. No way I see adding another PG and have Bayless AGAIN at 3rd off the bench...NO way.

We already have 3 with Crabby Patty Mills. I too, guess, that if we are getting a nice upgrade in PG - it means that Blake and his expiring contract goes out - and if we get a super-deluxe great PG (which is not likely to happen) - it means that JB goes out as a prospect for a rebuilding team.

 

[e_blazer]

The section you quoted from addresses how team salary is computed. If a team doesn't have at least 12 guys either under contract, as free agents, players given offer sheets, or first round picks, then a "roster charge" is added to the team salary number in an amount equal to the rookie minimum salary for each player that a team is below the 12 player minimum. The Blazers aren't in that position as of now. Yes, the Euro-stash guys count towards team salary during the summer months, but they don't count as taking one of the 12 minimum and 15 maximum roster spots.

 

[alex42083]

The section you quoted from addresses how team salary is computed. If a team doesn't have at least 12 guys either under contract, as free agents, players given offer sheets, or first round picks, then a "roster charge" is added to the team salary number in an amount equal to the rookie minimum salary for each player that a team is below the 12 player minimum. The Blazers aren't in that position as of now. Yes, the Euro-stash guys count towards team salary during the summer months, but they don't count as taking one of the 12 minimum and 15 maximum roster spots.

You're right, they don't. I was just referring before how those three Euros figured into our cap, and not necessarily our roster slots.

 

[oldmangrouch]

Nearly every word of that is incorrect. good job, that's almost impossible to do.

Were you born a *edited*, or did it require years of hard work and study? All you have done for the last day is insult people who dare to disagree with how the Blazers handled the draft. Do you have anything constructive to say, or are you just trolling?

 

[adrenalize74]

We already have 3 with Crabby Patty Mills. I too, guess, that if we are getting a nice upgrade in PG - it means that Blake and his expiring contract goes out - and if we get a super-deluxe great PG (which is not likely to happen) - it means that JB goes out as a prospect for a rebuilding team.

I dont even count Mills as a roster spot. Most likely will be overseas or gone via trade. We just dont need 3 on this team. Sergio got very limited minutes as the #2 as it was.

 

[LittleAlex]

I would believe that if we go out and get another vet PG (like Hinrich) that Blake would be part of the deal. Why do we need 3 PGs on the roster? If Blake/Hinrich start and Bayless is backup, Roy picks up minutes there as well. We have 2.5 PG that way. No way I see adding another PG and have Bayless AGAIN at 3rd off the bench...NO way.

Because you just can't ever have too many limited point guards on a single roster. Haven't you been paying attention to the team for the last 4 years? Every year Portland goes into camp with 3 or 4 shit-tastic options at point guard. Next year will be no exception.