The Ringer does a deep dive on Toumani

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I keep seeing people on twitter and in the basketball p0dcast space trying to either:

1. Pry him for cheap. (Because the Blazers FO is incompetent hurr durr)
2. Trying to advocate for the Blazers moving him for a mid-late first.

What are these people smoking?
 


Keep seeing shit like this. Are you serious?
 


Keep seeing shit like this. Are you serious?

Marks is not good at what he does and what he does doesn't make sense to me as a guy that likes sports journalism. Marks doesn't use sources, he doesn't break stories or have any rumors he reports. His job is to make up trade scenarios that are realistic and he should be able to do that having been an assistant GM in the past. What he doesn't do is take into consideration any intelligence others at ESPN who are journalists have gathered. So he puts out drivel like this. I've never seen a Bobby Marks trade actually happen. The dude just plugs bullshit into the trade machine and then puts it in an article. Worthless shit, if you ask me.

People in this forum constantly post trade ideas that are much closer to what actually happens than what Marks puts out. It's asinine that ESPN pays this guy to do what he does because it confuses readers into thinking that these are rumored deals and Marks does admit that none of them are based on things he's hearing or getting from others. Just an absolute waste of time.
 
The Athletic did a fun piece on him too:
https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/6081285/2025/01/27/toumani-camara-defense-trail-blazers-nba/Toumani Camara 'doesn’t give up': What opponents see in Trail Blazers' young defender

Quick is still pretty good at these story pieces.

The scene with Maxey is one from a collection of opponents interviewed by The Athletic over the past month about Camara and his defense. The responses were as varied as they were telling. Brooklyn’s Ben Simmons detailed a mini-confrontation. Denver’s Jamal Murray sat silent, stewing for several seconds, before begrudgingly giving an answer. San Antonio’s Jeremy Sochan couldn’t contain his admiration. And the Clippers’Norman Powell was still trying to figure out how Camara came out of nowhere to block his dunk attempt.

“There was a moment where I thought he was complaining to the ref about me,” Camara remembered. “So, I went up to him, and I asked him, ‘Oh, are you complaining about (my defense)?'”

Maxey assured him that was not the case.

“I told him, ‘Nah. You can come play with us any time you want … you can come do this on our team any time you want,'” Maxey said. “I was messing with him, like, ‘Look at you — playing fullcourt all game. You can come play with us any time.'

Another key moment in Camara’s emergence as a defender happened behind the scenes: Before games last season, Billups said he would meet with the referees and educate them on Camara’s defensive skills.

“Last year, the refs were calling so many fouls on him … so many,” Billups said. “So, I went up to them and said, ‘This is going to be one of the best defenders in the league in a very short amount of time. You all have to get used to him, just like he has to get used to you all.’ And, 30-40 games in, they started to call less fouls.”

So much so that Adelman said part of the Nuggets’ scouting report on Camara involves the officials.

“We tell our guys don’t expect a call,” Adelman said. “The refs are not going to call everything, and (Camara) is one of those guys that’s going to toe that line a little bit. But again, that’s how the league is and has always been like that. If you foul every play, they won’t call it every time. That’s not to say he’s doing that, but he definitely plays with a physical mindset up and down the court.”
 
Yeah I wonder if Camara and Deni might be our two players with the most potential to contribute to playoff wins?

Sharpe is so bad defensively.

Scoot I've really enjoyed his improvemts, but at 6'2 only so much impact you can have unless your a Steph/Dame shooter.

Camara and Deni have been high level difference makers on both ends. Camara more defensively and Deni more on O. That two way contribution is a legit championship type of hallmark.
 
Scoot, deni, Camara. The rest can leave they offer nothing.

Build around them. Stop wasting time.
 
Scoot, deni, Camara. The rest can leave they offer nothing.

Build around them. Stop wasting time.
It's fine to have Clingan Sharpe Rupert here. They either improve in which case great, or they don't and there's no downside to them being here. They're all barely at drinking age or under.

The pieces that offer less than nothing are Ayton Grant Ant Thybulle. They take away minutes from our youth, take away shots from our youth, hurt our pick, clog up our salary cap, provide extremely bad or lazy play on a major part of the NBA game, and have no long term future here.
 
It's fine to have Clingan Sharpe Rupert here. They either improve in which case great, or they don't and there's no downside to them being here.

The pieces that offer less than nothing are Ayton Grant Ant Thybulle. They take away minutes and shots from our youth, hurt our pick, clog up our salary cap, have no long term future here.

None of them offer anything. Start clean with deni, Scoot, and camara.
 
None of them offer anything. Start clean with deni, Scoot, and camara.
Completely false statement. Sharpe has set records with athletic measurements this season in games, Clingan has set block records. Sharpe led the team offense in multiple wins over playoff teams. That's certainly anything.
 
Yeah I wonder if Camara and Deni might be our two players with the most potential to contribute to playoff wins?

Sharpe is so bad defensively.

Scoot I've really enjoyed his improvemts, but at 6'2 only so much impact you can have unless your a Steph/Dame shooter.

Camara and Deni have been high level difference makers on both ends. Camara more defensively and Deni more on O. That two way contribution is a legit championship type of hallmark.

They are solid players but a long ways from the elite level 2 way player a contender needs. Avdija might be a 3rd option wrecking ball type of player that is hard to game-plan for. Camara could certainly be a the glue-man player good teams need

maybe the Blazers need to discard the PG-SG-SF-PF-C template and simplify it to PG-Wings-C. Sharpe has been and continues to be a frustrating disappointment who rises above and flashes tantalizing talent regularly, but always sinks back to near invisible. But imagining the Blazers weren't bone-heading their way to several pointless damaging wins by riding Simons-Ayton-Grant so hard, and they got lucky in May, a 3 wing rotation of Camara-Flagg-Avdija might create a lot of wind in Blazer sails
 
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Dame also giving props.





It's a shame they couldn't play together.

My guess is Dame thinks Simons is the other “most valuable piece on this team”, which I would lmao out of the room for. But I’ll still take the toumani kudos, and I don’t necessarily agree he’s “clearly our second best prospect” but I do love him.

I’d vote

1- Deni/Shaedon
2- Scoot/Toumani/DC
3- everyone else

I see Tou having a serious offensive ceiling that he won’t break because he will be a dpoy candidate and prioritize that end, that’s the only “knock” I could even envision is just not being a two way mvp, but a one way mvp.

I like his offensive potential but it’s much so potential ATM
 
Toumani vs Herb Jones as a defender. Who is better?
 
Jones is good but I'd say Camara is a little better

I haven't watched much Jones but from what I've seen he seems like a better defensive playmaker whereas Camara is just more solid guarding everyone.
 
I haven't watched much Jones but from what I've seen he seems like a better defensive playmaker whereas Camara is just more solid guarding everyone.

by playmaker do you means steals and blocks?
 
Nice seeing him get some shine.

My favorite player in this iteration of the team .

https://www.theringer.com/2025/01/28/nba/3-and-d-history-toumani-camara-portland-trail-blazers

Toumani Camara, a late second-round pick by the Suns just three months prior, seemed like a mere footnote. Even he thought he was a throw-in, a name on a salary sheet to make the trade math work.

“I didn’t really know the situation. I didn’t know who wanted me,” Camara says. “So it was very stressful.”

But Portland fought for his inclusion.

We liked Toumani a lot,” general manager Joe Cronin says.

“What we see here,” Cronin says, “is us preparing ourselves for when we are going to be hopefully really competitive, that we have those wings and those types of players throughout our roster—to where we have an abundance of it.”
 
Are there stats about turnovers caused? I'm thinking a offensive fouls drawn + steals + forced turnover without a steal stat. I bet Toumani would be near the top of the league.
 
Are there stats about turnovers caused? I'm thinking a offensive fouls drawn + steals + forced turnover without a steal stat. I bet Toumani would be near the top of the league.

* he's at the top in charges drawn and 4th in charges drawn/36.

https://www.nba.com/stats/players/hustle-leaders

* he's tied with Amen (+OG+Fox+Keon Ellis) for total steals at 69

* he's in a 6-way tie for 17th in steals a game

https://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2025_per_game.html

* he's 41st in the NBA in steals + blocks

https://www.teamrankings.com/nba/player-stat/steals-plus-blocks

(Wemby is ridiculous)

he doesn't really show up in the deflection stats in that 1st link of NBA hustle stats which would probably be closest to "forced-turnover-with-a-steal'.
 
* he's at the top in charges drawn and 4th in charges drawn/36.

https://www.nba.com/stats/players/hustle-leaders

* he's tied with Amen (+OG+Fox+Keon Ellis) for total steals at 69

* he's in a 6-way tie for 17th in steals a game

https://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2025_per_game.html

* he's 41st in the NBA in steals + blocks

https://www.teamrankings.com/nba/player-stat/steals-plus-blocks

(Wemby is ridiculous)

he doesn't really show up in the deflection stats in that 1st link of NBA hustle stats which would probably be closest to "forced-turnover-with-a-steal'.

I don't believe this accounts for offensive fouls drawn that are not charges.
 
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