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westnob said:
My point was, these people are not "patriots." This is not John Galt. They are not doing something new and unique in their jobs. They are hiding in the Gulch.
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So, not choosing to pay for free stuff for others is unpatriotic? Mkay.
 
EL PRESIDENTE said:
sweet. at least you can just get high in your mountain cabin, legally!
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Legalizing and taxation of Marijuanna is a great move actually. It will inject alot of revenue for the State. The Federal Government should do the same.
 
3RA1N1AC said:
oh, so why are you so scared?
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Because it won't stay that way. There maybe a huge sell off of investments; so investors won't be hit by next year's capital gain tax increase. The housing will get a huge hit as well because many will try to sell their rental properties for this very same reason. There is no incentive to buy unless you are going long (4 more years) before selling the property.
 
westnob said:
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Fucking socialists! am I right?
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I'm sorry our educational system has failed you so. You badly misunderstand the meaning of John F. Kennedy's words.
 
mook said:
I didn't say it was easy. Lots of jobs are hard. Lots of market niches are difficult to figure out. But the market does it, over and over and over again.

I have faith in the market that somebody will come along and fill in the vacuum. This economy isn't driven by a few irreplaceable smart people at the top, and it never has been.
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You're missing the point. The "market" you're referring to is being choked.
 
maxiep said:
I'm sorry our educational system has failed you so. You badly misunderstand the meaning of John F. Kennedy's words.
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It must be me. We had the same educational system, at a different time.
 
westnob said:
It must be me. We had the same educational system, at a different time.
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You seriously believe that "ask not what your country can do for you, but what you can do for your country" is what Obama espouses? We're giving people things and telling them we don't have to pay for it. If this isn't asking your country what it can do for you, I don't know what is.
 
maxiep said:
You seriously believe that "ask not what your country can do for you, but what you can do for your country" is what Obama espouses? We're giving people things and telling them we don't have to pay for it. If this isn't asking your country what it can do for you, I don't know what is.
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Repp'd!
 
westnob said:
My point was, these people are not "patriots." This is not John Galt. They are not doing something new and unique in their jobs. They are hiding in the Gulch.
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My point is you're not listening.
 
maxiep lacks ingenuity, gets out of the way so Real Americans may prosper

When the going gets "tough", the 1%ers always wimp out. If it isn't handed to them on a silver platter, they're fairly helpless.

See ya, wouldn't want to be ya!
 
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MARIS61 said:
When the going gets "tough", the 1%ers always wimp out. If it isn't handed to them on a silver platter, they're fairly helpless.

See ya, wouldn't want to be ya!
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And yet the 1% employees most of the people in the United States. Go figure?! Guess you are punished for helping the union.
 
So, according to liberals, who are so tolerate to everyone and everything, it's unpatriotic for someone that has been successful in life to retire....instead of continuing to work just as hard for less profit?

OK then.

Good for you, Maxie! (You selfish unpatriotic quitter.)

Go Blazers
 
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magnifier661 said:
And yet the 1% employees most of the people in the United States.
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That's like saying the landlord with the most houses has the most renters, or the biggest hospital sees the most patients. It's true but what's your point? Is he a good landlord? Do the patients recover?

Real Americans are rewarded less for their efforts today than at any time in the last 40 years because their employers (the 1%) are ridiculously unfair and obscenely greedy. 40 years ago that wealth was spread over 20-30%, now it's hoarded by 1%. They are the disease that is killing America.
 
EL PRESIDENTE said:
How can you have faith in "the market" when it is being artificially stimulated?
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On behalf of those like me who couldn't get a hand job in a crack house with an 8-ball taped to our nuts, why are you saying "artificial stimulation" like it's a bad thing?
 
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MARIS61 said:
That's like saying the landlord with the most houses has the most renters, or the biggest hospital sees the most patients. It's true but what's your point? Is he a good landlord? Do the patients recover?

Real Americans are rewarded less for their efforts today than at any time in the last 40 years because their employers (the 1%) are ridiculously unfair and obscenely greedy. 40 years ago that wealth was spread over 20-30%, now it's hoarded by 1%. They are the disease that is killing America.
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Bullshit! http://www.manhattan-institute.org/html/ir_22.htm

The upper middle class is the major revenue for this country. And in this study, it's showing a decline of the 1%; which totally contridicts your opinion of 1% hoarding the wealth.
 
maxiep said:
This morning our firm has also decided to restructure our support positions to avoid participating in Obamacare. We have a small front-office staff, but a reasonably-sized support structure (property managers, custodians, security guards, mechanical specialists, etc.). They will now be part-time employees. It sucks for them, but as I said before, elections have consequences.
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Sounds vindictive to me.
 
yuyuza1 said:
Sounds vindictive to me.
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How so? We simply refuse to participate in Obamacare. The employees are free to quit. We have a large stable of people who will fill their positions. The slave class grew much larger yesterday. I look forward to exploiting their labor. With a large unemployment rate, wages stay low. Remember, elections have consequences. It's not our job to give free shit to everyone based on my labor and initiative.
 
oldguy said:
So, according to liberals, who are so tolerate to everyone and everything, it's unpatriotic for someone that has been successful in life to retire....instead of continuing to work just as hard for less profit?

OK then.

Good for you, Maxie! (You selfish unpatriotic quitter.)

Go Blazers
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As he acknowledges, he was already retired. As he acknowledges, he places small value on his employees to the extent that he will force them to seek full-time work with benefits elsewhere so he can hire someone more desperate, illegals maybe.

His "company" is a bunch of retired fatcats who don't need to work anyway. They were just taking advantage of the fact that they have money when others don't and watched the money roll in. Who wouldn't? Most of us do something similar, although on a smaller, more personal scale.

He now claims the honeymoon is over and he can't see how to make a decent profit at it anymore so he's going to either retire (even though he's retired already) or squeeze his employees even more.

Rules and regs change all the time, as the formerly affluent (comparatively) middle class knows.

The creative and entrepreneurial adapt and find new ways to function successfully under the new program. The lazy and the braindead fall to the wayside.

Since he's able to be fully retired anyway (my impression) more power to him. There's now, and there's when you're dead. Live all you can now.

And super great for the creative person who will instantly fill the "void" he leaves behind.
 
I don't see a problem with what maxiep is doing. Hell if I could do that now, I don't care who the fuck is president, I cash out and enjoy life.

At the same time maxiep, you should have no ill will towards people who voted for Obama because they want free shit (which is totally discrediting those who voted for Obama) . . . you are acting in your best interest (to hell with empolyees and the US) as they voted in their best interest.
 
Treaty_of_Batum said:
I don't see a problem with what maxiep is doing. Hell if I could do that now, I don't care who the fuck is president, I cash out and enjoy life.

At the same time maxiep, you should have no ill will towards people who voted for Obama because they want free shit (which is totally discrediting those who voted for Obama) . . . you are acting in your best interest (to hell with empolyees and the US) as they voted in their best interest.
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I have no ill will toward people who voted for Obama. My argument is they thought short-term, to their long-term detriment. They may find that free shit isn't so free after all.
 
yuyuza1 said:
Sounds vindictive to me.
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you act supprised? Did you think that employers where just going to open their collective wallets and pay employees benifits? The very path that Maxiep has laid out is not uncommon.

full time employees will become part timers

Lots of small businesses are just gonna go away
 
maxiep said:
How so? We simply refuse to participate in Obamacare. The employees are free to quit. We have a large stable of people who will fill their positions. The slave class grew much larger yesterday. I look forward to exploiting their labor. With a large unemployment rate, wages stay low. Remember, elections have consequences. It's not our job to give free shit to everyone based on my labor and initiative.
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It is your prerogative I suppose. Just kinda seemed like you didn't get what you wanted, so you're taking your ball and going home (without giving much consideration to the many people who will be hurt by this). But I guess that's what you expect in a money-hungry capitalist society, so I can't really blame you. I think I'm still young enough not to be jaded by money/power/etc, and still want to help the world. Being the healthcare industry also has a bit of that effect.
 
maxiep said:
I have no ill will toward people who voted for Obama. My argument is they thought short-term, to their long-term detriment. They may find that free shit isn't so free after all.
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That is belittling the people who voted for Obama. People voted for Obama for many differnt reasons.

If I was a woman, no way I vote for Romney. Whatever best interst he may serve for the economy, he is not advocate for independent women.

If I'm gay, no way I vote for Romney.

If I have relatives in this country who are undocumented, no way I vote for Romney.

It is complex society and many people have issues that they consider far more important than whatever the difference that is actually done on the economy between the two canidates. No one is questioning if you are short sighted with an extreme reaction to the election (model or not),you should not assume everyone is shortsighted who voted for Obama. People have all kinds of rationale reasons to vote for Obama.
 
yuyuza1 said:
It is your prerogative I suppose. Just kinda seemed like you didn't get what you wanted, so you're taking your ball and going home (without giving much consideration to the many people who will be hurt by this). But I guess that's what you expect in a money-hungry capitalist society, so I can't really blame you. I think I'm still young enough not to be jaded by money/power/etc, and still want to help the world. Being the healthcare industry also has a bit of that effect.
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what I dont think most understand, oboma care mandates that we have insurance, if an employer provides that as a benifet it has to be up to X level, or the employer can decide to no longer offer the benifit. So, it is an easy choice between pay more or dont pay.

At that point it is up to the employee to get his own insurance or face a tax..this is not the universal health care that many think it is...
 
yuyuza1 said:
It is your prerogative I suppose. Just kinda seemed like you didn't get what you wanted, so you're taking your ball and going home (without giving much consideration to the many people who will be hurt by this). But I guess that's what you expect in a money-hungry capitalist society, so I can't really blame you. I think I'm still young enough not to be jaded by money/power/etc, and still want to help the world. Being the healthcare industry also has a bit of that effect.
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It's not just about the money, I'm sure. It's about being made the beast of burden that is forced to pull the cart. The consequences of the election is to make people into slaves. Except he has the ability to get out of that situation.
 
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