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Your story is that you looked up the weather in Bellingham, Oregon?

Yes.

http://www.wunderground.com/history...tml?req_city=NA&req_state=NA&req_statename=NA

Average 54/43/30

http://www.wunderground.com/history...tml?req_city=NA&req_state=NA&req_statename=NA

Average 50/42/35

Pick an average, any average. The mean is within 1 degree 50 years later.

I think I have a post of yours from 1975 warning us of the coming ice age, and how you used to wear short sleeved shirts and had to wear sweaters.
 
I'm banking on the fact that the Cenral Oregon coastal range will eventually become Santa Barbara weather wise..I'd love to grow some avocados and lemons up here.
 
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Science!

https://www.masterresource.org/debate-issues/bad-climate-science-common-knowledge/
 
interesting article. I just never thought the canal from Mammoth Lake that travels to southern California was such a great water system. If they are draining water into the ocean, why drain lakes in Northern Cal to send down the state?
mammoth is pretty Northern California
 

Denny, you really shouldn't have skipped that week in the 4th grade when they taught averaging. You set those links to average only the first 3 days of January, instead of the whole month. (Also, you used Jan. 1964, but I moved here in March 1974, so my first January was 1975.)

Here are the correct links. They show that the range of daily maxima in Jan. 1975 was 45-53, and in Jan. 2015 was 52-60, an increase of 7 degrees. The range of daily minima in Jan. 1975 was 18-24, and in Jan. 2015 was 21-39, an increase of from 3-15 (thus an average increase of 9) degrees.

http://www.wunderground.com/history...tml?req_city=NA&req_state=NA&req_statename=NA

http://www.wunderground.com/history...tml?req_city=NA&req_state=NA&req_statename=NA

Notice that there was snow back then, but not now, just like I said?
 
Denny, you really shouldn't have skipped that week in the 4th grade when they taught averaging. You set those links to average only the first 3 days of January, instead of the whole month. (Also, you have Jan. 1964, when I moved here in March 1974, so my first January was 1975.)

Here are the correct links. They show that the range of daily maxima in Jan. 1975 was 45-53, and in Jan. 2015 was 52-60, an increase of 7 degrees. The range of daily minima in Jan. 1975 was 18-24, and in Jan. 2015 was 21-39, an increase of from 3-15 (thus an average increase of 9) degrees.

http://www.wunderground.com/history...tml?req_city=NA&req_state=NA&req_statename=NA

http://www.wunderground.com/history...tml?req_city=NA&req_state=NA&req_statename=NA

Notice that there was snow back then, but not now, just like I said?

I didn't use just the three days of January. I used the "monthly" tab.

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What do you want to be wrong about next? :)
 

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I may as well address the snow issue, too:

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Try the monthly option before answering. You'll see that it makes a difference which day you choose.

Checkmate.
 
Try the monthly option before answering. You'll see that it makes a difference which day you choose.

Checkmate.

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Still sticking with 1964 to find no snow, eh? A "mistake" that you continue making.
 
Still sticking with 1964 to find no snow, eh? A "mistake" that you continue making.

No, for 1965 on this site they say they're missing data. So I went back a year. Going backward in time should only make the delta temperatures in your favor, supposedly. But they don't :)
 
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To repeat, it should be 1975, not 1965 or 1964. If you're dyslexic, I understand, but you should refrain from climate change debates.

And if you're making the mistake on purpose, I understand that, too.
 
To repeat, it should be 1975, not 1965 or 1964. If you're dyslexic, I understand, but you should refrain from climate change debates.

And if you're making the mistake on purpose, I understand that, too.

No, it should be 1965. The whole point is your post from 1975 complained about how hot it was in 1965 and now you have to wear a sweater in 1975.

The point is it's no warmer 50 years after 1965 for Bellingham. It's not shocking that some years you have an indian summer and others a harsh winter in between. You can talk about the weather but you can't do anything about it. I don't confuse the weather with global warming like you are with your anecdote.

You complain about "average" but the "average" says so. Or does "mean" have some other meaning? :)
 
No, it should be 1965. The whole point is your post from 1975 complained about how hot it was in 1965 and now you have to wear a sweater in 1975.

You already changed your story from Oregon to Washington State, and I didn't call you out. Then I let you claim that I posted on this board in 1975. Now you repeat it, so I have to inform you, no, I didn't post in 1975 about 1965. I posted in 2015, comparing 2015 to the 70s, 80s, and 90s overall decades.

But I could be wrong. If you can find my post from 1975, I'll award you a doughnut.
 
I didn't say anything about washington state.

There is no post from 1975, but if there were, I nailed what it would have said.
 
In 1964, you would have raked your leaves and they wouldn't have decayed just like in 2015. You wouldn't have had to wear a sweater in 1964, like you don't in 2015. That's the point.

It hasn't warmed where you are. The temperatures fluctuate. Sometimes it's warmer (1965, 2015), sometimes it's cooler (1970s, 80s, 90s).

If it were 20 degrees in 1964, 21 in 1965, 22 in 1966, etc., ever increasing to what it is in 2015, you might be on to something. Unfortunately, the data do not support your assertion.

Like I said, you can complain about the weather but you can't do anything about it.
 
I didn't say anything about washington state.

You said you had checked Bellingham, in Oregon.

It hasn't warmed where you are. The temperatures fluctuate. Sometimes it's warmer (1965, 2015), sometimes it's cooler (1970s, 80s, 90s).

Winters are very noticeably warmer here than in the past. There are no ups and downs, just ups. When 2-week snows stopped about 5 years ago, they never returned. No downs on the graph, just ups. When the first winter without any snow at all happened last winter, it was followed this winter by again, no snow. The changes are permanent. No ups and downs.
 
I'm sitting here all night in bare feet. I just watered some potted plants on my front porch, in February, in my bare feet outside.

I'm tired of listening to neighbor dogs barking all year. They used to stay inside to keep warm.

I moved here from California to avoid all this sweating and B.O.

That does it. This sucks. I'm moving to Alaska, where men are men and sled dogs know their place.
 
Near term, Climate is prediction is about 90% Oceanography so I look to Scripps for the word, having studied there myself, when Dr. Van Dorn was the director. The oceans will rise despite Obama's promise, to slow the rise of the oceans.

http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/scientists-seek-strategy-to-convey-seriousn

The long term however, prediction has more to do with geological history. For several thousand years now, the oceans have been rising, just as they have before, in previous cycles of
thaw, followed by glaciation. Looking at only Oceanography gives a skewed view.

Yes increasing CO2 in the atmosphere increases the temperature and that in turn causes more moisture possible in the atmosphere. Climate changes.

We know this cycle, we are in a known cycle. It appears devastating viewed in isolation, but the seas have already risen some 190 feet in this cycle, perhaps there is a bit more to go.
Obama isn't going to stop that with a tax! Neither will Kitzhaber. If you know how to halt this cycle, by all means tell us! But please also tell what the long term affect will be.
 
I moved to Bellingham in 1974, and those 41 years are what I compared to now. As for Oregon in 1965, you wouldn't have picked an outlier year, would you? How'd you pick 1965?

You really shouldn't have missed the week in 4th grade when they taught you the concept of averaging.

And keep your hot ass out of this.

You said you had checked Bellingham, in Oregon.



Winters are very noticeably warmer here than in the past. There are no ups and downs, just ups. When 2-week snows stopped about 5 years ago, they never returned. No downs on the graph, just ups. When the first winter without any snow at all happened last winter, it was followed this winter by again, no snow. The changes are permanent. No ups and downs.

I checked Bellingham in Washington. I didn't check anything about Washington state.

And your 1975 thread, you had a followup post saying "there used to not be snow, now there is. It's permanent."

I wouldn't give up your day job for the standup comedian one. People are supposed to laugh when you're trying to be funny, not the other way around.

And the other meaning of "mean" is what Progressives and anti-Reagan people are to poor people.
 
Mt Rainer glaciers during the same time frame you're talking about, Denny.

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geez

what a difference a year can make!

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Where did those glaciers go?

Global warming has been around for over 10,000 years. Enough to melt them all. Why should the warming stop and the melting stop?

I don't see how man can stop it. The proposition is simply an absurd one.

If people get into a panic, they might destroy the entire world's economy and our way of lives would be seriously impacted for the worse. The people who want to see this happen don't believe it for some reason. Or they do.
 
Anyhow, here's a recent picture of that same glacier:

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The Maiankovitch Theory

"For the period from about 22,000 to 18,000 BP (Before Present), world temperatures fell lower than at any time since. And though the average temperature drop was just 10° F (6°C) colder than at present, it was enough to greatly shift the balance of winter snowfall and summer melting.


Why such long term ups and downs in the world climate? The causes are still poorly understood, but climatologists suspect a combination of reasons. The earth is not always the same distance from the sun, and it cools off at maximum distance. It periodically passes through clouds of cosmic dust, which block the sun's rays, as do major periods of volcanic eruptions. And the sun's energy, as shown by sunspot activity, fluctuates in a cyclic way.
Evidence from nearshore seabottom core samples indicate that at least 17 “ice ages” have occurred during the past two million years. During the most recent one, alpine glaciers much larger than these flowed down from the mountains surrounding the Salish Sea. Moving at a rate of up to a mile every ten years, the glacial fronts advanced far down into the lowlands, widening many of the V shaped river valleys below us into classic U shaped glacial valleys. At the lowland ends of these valley glaciers, where melting eventually matched the foreward thrust, the ice front dropped long piles of rock debris (terminal moraines) as evidence of their massive presence.

Ironically, the alpine glaciers were already in full retreat, far back up into the mountains, when a great ice sheet began its invasion from the north... "

Then we have the earth change in tilt to fold in every 41000 years

I suspect the beat frequency of the two cycles produces the Glacial cycle. but I will never live long enough to prove it, however, I feel confident that no tax will change it.
 
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