The "Sharpe just did some crazy shit!" thread

[Shaboid]

Swartz: Blazers Should Trade Shaedon Sharpe for Win-Now Help

 

[STOMP]

Swartz: Blazers Should Trade Shaedon Sharpe for Win-Now Help

Someone really wants some clicks

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[julius]

Swartz: Blazers Should Trade Shaedon Sharpe for Win-Now Help

Not surprised BlazersEdge would have that crap on their page. They're desperate to get clicks.

 

[BBert]

Swartz: Blazers Should Trade Shaedon Sharpe for Win-Now Help

That's no way to run a franchise. Sharpe might be our second best player next season. Wut a maroon. Wut an imbezzle.

 

[BankTeller]

just because people think it'd be cool if his game emulated Kobe's doesn't mean they want his personality to emulate his, or that the stupid things that Kobe did are what Shaedon will do.

THANK YOU. Anyone who sees the Kobe comparison is strictly talking about his game and his moves. I certainly wouldn’t want Sharpe to emulate Kobe’s efficiency.

 

[theprunetang]

I hope this thread ends up with 500,000 pages.

 

[Shaboid]

I hope this thread ends up with 500,000 pages.

Just change your settings to .000013 posts per page and we're already there.

 

[GrandpaBlaze]

I hope this thread ends up with 500,000 pages.

After 18-20 years of incredible oooohhs & aaahhhs!

 

[mook]

THANK YOU. Anyone who sees the Kobe comparison is strictly talking about his game and his moves. I certainly wouldn’t want Sharpe to emulate Kobe’s efficiency.

I don't think young Kobe had Sharpe's shooting range.

That's where all these comparisons really fall apart. It starts with a list of young guards who quickly demonstrated incredible leaping/dunking/athleticism/polish (Kobe, Carter, etc), but they basically all came up in the prior era where they weren't practicing a ton of NBA-range three point shots in high school or college.

I don't know what Sharpe did in his year off before getting drafted, but he clearly spent a good deal of it developing NBA range. He's not just taking wide open Aminu corner threes--he's done a sidestep dribble and other creative little moves that indicate he's working on the whole three point bag.

If he had none of his leaping, he'd still be a pretty solid #7 pick just based on his potential as a spacing three point shooter with good height and promising defense and a teachable mindset.

 

[PDXFonz]

Swartz: Blazers Should Trade Shaedon Sharpe for Win-Now Help

A DUCK!

 

[BankTeller]

I don't think young Kobe had Sharpe's shooting range.

That's where all these comparisons really fall apart. It starts with a list of young guards who quickly demonstrated incredible leaping/dunking/athleticism/polish (Kobe, Carter, etc), but they basically all came up in the prior era where they weren't practicing a ton of NBA-range three point shots in high school or college.

I don't know what Sharpe did in his year off before getting drafted, but he clearly spent a good deal of it developing NBA range. He's not just taking wide open Aminu corner threes--he's done a sidestep dribble and other creative little moves that indicate he's working on the whole three point bag.

If he had none of his leaping, he'd still be a pretty solid #7 pick just based on his potential as a spacing three point shooter with good height and promising defense and a teachable mindset.

I was talking more about emulating his moves, not his play-style. No disagreement on your point about his 3 ball. Compared to Jordan, Kobe, VC, TMac, and the rest of the old guys, he came in as a much better shooter. But guys like Edwards, Green, Barrett, Cunningham, etc all grew up in this era, why aren’t THEY even half-way consistent shooters? Sharpe only plays 20mpg and shoots only a couple of them a game, it’s not like he gets a chance to get in rhythm either.

The Kobe/Jordan comp comes from his measurables and athleticism more than anything. Kobe and Jordan were pretty much in the 1% among SGs in terms of God-given gifts. It’s going to be awhile until he gets to show us in-game, but he looks like he has a pretty polished post game for such a young guy as well.

Isn’t that why we all think Sharpe’s special though—that he could eventually possess the best parts of every elite SG’s game in one package? A guy that can shoot like Klay, offensive package of Beal/Booker, dunk like Carter/TMac, handles like DWade, a post game like Jordan/Kobe, and can play defense like young PG?

 

[BankTeller]

Too bad this was BRoy’s nickname, because The Natural would be appropriate to call him.

 

[mook]

I was talking more about emulating his moves, not his play-style. No disagreement on your point about his 3 ball. Compared to Jordan, Kobe, VC, TMac, and the rest of the old guys, he came in as a much better shooter. But guys like Edwards, Green, Barrett, Cunningham, etc all grew up in this era, why aren’t THEY even half-way consistent shooters?

That's a really interesting question. I wonder if it's because while those other guys were traveling on road trips and practicing the coach's plays, Sharpe found himself with a year of time to just work on his moves and getting shots up (when he wasn't scrimmaging at Kentucky). Somebody at some point must have sat him down and said, "The surest way to get drafted is to not risk fucking up your legs in real games, and prove in workouts you can hit NBA threes at 40%." With his other-worldly athleticism, he was going to get draft workouts even if he skipped a year. But I bet just knowing there's a contract out there worth $24m over 4 years if he can just learn to hit three pointers....it must've really focused his mind over those 12 months. Steph Curry makes around 500 shots/day in the off-season. Would you try to make 500 shots/day for a year to make $24m? I would.

There's a lot of talk of college vs G-League, but frankly I think Sharpe hit on the right formula, at least for himself. Take a year off and focus on developing the skill NBA scouts drool over most in a shooting guard--shooting and shot creation.

Isn’t that why we all think Sharpe’s special though—that he could eventually possess the best parts of every elite SG’s game in one package? A guy that can shoot like Klay, offensive package of Beal/Booker, dunk like Carter/TMac, handles like DWade, a post game like Jordan/Kobe, and can play defense like young PG?

We can only hope! If he can be as good as any of those guys you listed, I'm thrilled. Let alone a hybrid.

 

[SharpesTriumph]

I was talking more about emulating his moves, not his play-style. No disagreement on your point about his 3 ball. Compared to Jordan, Kobe, VC, TMac, and the rest of the old guys, he came in as a much better shooter. But guys like Edwards, Green, Barrett, Cunningham, etc all grew up in this era, why aren’t THEY even half-way consistent shooters? Sharpe only plays 20mpg and shoots only a couple of them a game, it’s not like he gets a chance to get in rhythm either.

The Kobe/Jordan comp comes from his measurables and athleticism more than anything. Kobe and Jordan were pretty much in the 1% among SGs in terms of God-given gifts. It’s going to be awhile until he gets to show us in-game, but he looks like he has a pretty polished post game for such a young guy as well.

Isn’t that why we all think Sharpe’s special though—that he could eventually possess the best parts of every elite SG’s game in one package? A guy that can shoot like Klay, offensive package of Beal/Booker, dunk like Carter/TMac, handles like DWade, a post game like Jordan/Kobe, and can play defense like young PG?

Kobe was not on the same level athletically as Jordan. Kobe was a clear tier below, you can mention him with the other great SG's; VC, TMac, Wade, etc.

Jordan was on a whole different level as the GOAT and a top 5 player. He had a 48 inch vertical. None of those other guys were in the same realm.

 

[SharpesTriumph]

That's a really interesting question. I wonder if it's because while those other guys were traveling on road trips and practicing the coach's plays, Sharpe found himself with a year of time to just work on his moves and getting shots up (when he wasn't scrimmaging at Kentucky). Somebody at some point must have sat him down and said, "The surest way to get drafted is to not risk fucking up your legs in real games, and prove in workouts you can hit NBA threes at 40%."

Your post makes it sound like Sharpe went to college as a freshman and sat out their season from the start. Thats not true, Sharpe was a high school player who graduated early and late in the college season spent some time with that basketball team.

 

[SharpesTriumph]

But I bet just knowing there's a contract out there worth $24m over 4 years if he can just learn to hit three pointers....it must've really focused his mind over those 12 months. Steph Curry makes around 500 shots/day in the off-season. Would you try to make 500 shots/day for a year to make $24m? I would.

There are thousands of basketball players that could shoot many hundreds of shots a day and never become a great NBA 3 point shooter. Its not just practice; its technique, mechanics learned at a young age, physical gifts, etc. Not to mention being able to get the shot off at NBA speed, comfort in the pressure of a game, etc.

Shaq practiced shooting many thousands of free throws and could never shoot them well. This guy could shoot 15 hours a day and he still would be a horrible shooter;

 

[mook]

Haven't seen the highlight where he changes his mind mid-air on pass vs dunk, but this is a nice jam:

 

[Rastapopoulos]

Personality-wise, Sharpe reminds me more of Kawhi than anyone else.

 

[STOMP]

I don't think young Kobe had Sharpe's shooting range. That's where all these comparisons really fall apart. It starts with a list of young guards who quickly demonstrated incredible leaping/dunking/athleticism/polish (Kobe, Carter, etc), but they basically all came up in the prior era where they weren't practicing a ton of NBA-range three point shots in high school or college.

I don't know what Sharpe did in his year off before getting drafted, but he clearly spent a good deal of it developing NBA range. He's not just taking wide open Aminu corner threes--he's done a sidestep dribble and other creative little moves that indicate he's working on the whole three point bag.

Highlight tapes from HS have Sharpe pulling up from the logo. He also showed some of the same deft footwork generating open looks for his J. Yes he's got great athleticism/hops, but his outside threat is and has been the basis of his offensive game. His own comparison of his game to Beal's holds water IMO

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[Rastapopoulos]

Haven't seen the highlight where he changes his mind mid-air on pass vs dunk, but this is a nice jam:

This one?



What Sharpe has that Jordan had more than anyone (including Drexler, who might have been able to jump as high) is hang time. The only one better than Jordan for sure was Vince Carter. But you see Sharpe's hang time in effect in a lot of his highlights above, including something as simple as the double-pump jumpshot from the top of the key at 11 seconds.

 

[PtldPlatypus]

This one?



What Sharpe has that Jordan had more than anyone (including Drexler, who might have been able to jump as high) is hang time. The only one better than Jordan for sure was Vince Carter. But you see Sharpe's hang time in effect in a lot of his highlights above, including something as simple as the double-pump jumpshot from the top of the key at 11 seconds.

Has there been any explanation for the tech that was called on Shae after that ridiculous bucket?

 

[STOMP]

Kobe was not on the same level athletically as Jordan. Kobe was a clear tier below, you can mention him with the other great SG's; VC, TMac, Wade, etc.

Jordan was on a whole different level as the GOAT and a top 5 player. He had a 48 inch vertical. None of those other guys were in the same realm.

GOAT and a top 5 player?

Also, of those HOFers you mentioned Vince had Jordon's hops/athleticism IMO but not his drive.

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[mook]

There are thousands of basketball players that could shoot many hundreds of shots a day and never become a great NBA 3 point shooter. Its not just practice; its technique, mechanics learned at a young age, physical gifts, etc. Not to mention being able to get the shot off at NBA speed, comfort in the pressure of a game, etc.

Shaq practiced shooting many thousands of free throws and could never shoot them well. This guy could shoot 15 hours a day and he still would be a horrible shooter;

Absolutely true. I wonder how many of those guys started practicing like that at 18 though.

My older son right now is 17, and it astonishes me how quickly he's advanced in his sport (badminton--hey, we live in England!) I mean it's just crazy how much better he gets month to month, while I play just as much as he does and there's almost no progress at all. Everything just clicks so quickly at that age, and muscle memory you develop then just never goes away.

Shaq (and a lot of kids who are just athletic freaks) spent a lot of their teens dominating competition with that athletic advantage. There's really little incentive not to--it's the quickest way to help their team win, and it's just fun (I imagine--I'd never know!). So often it's only in later years that the work starts on shooting form--but picking up that skill probably comes a lot harder by then.

Anyway, as you say, he didn't take a "full year off", like the media seemed to convey (and was my understanding.)

For whatever reason, whether it's just natural talent or a focus on shooting, he's got an insanely good shot for somebody with his athleticism.

 

[Haakzilla]

Highlight tapes from HS have Sharpe pulling up from the logo. He also showed some of the same deft footwork generating open looks for his J. Yes he's got great athleticism/hops, but his outside threat is and has been the basis of his offensive game. His own comparison of his game to Beal's holds water IMO

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*Booker (not Beal)

 

[SharpesTriumph]

Personality-wise, Sharpe reminds me more of Kawhi than anyone else.

Wouldn't every 20 and under rookie remind people of Kawhi Personality wise?

Young teenagers don't know how to articulate their thoughts well, are reserved, and need to learn how to speak to the public. Ant was the same as a rookie but now is much more talkative, I'd expect as these guys age they will open up even more.

Kawhi is so unusual and not all in a good way, I wouldn't compare others to him.

Dame, CJ and even BRoy were all exceptions to normally reserved rookies as they were 4 year college guys and extremely articulate well spoken.

 

[SharpesTriumph]

GOAT and a top 5 player?

Also, of those HOFers you mentioned Vince had Jordon's hops/athleticism IMO but not his drive.

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Yes the GOAT would be a top5 player. Nobody else (VC, TMac, Kobe, Wade) being discussed is a top5 player.

Vince was extremely athletic but he did not have Jordan's hops, he was probably the closest though.

 

[GoBlazersGo]

Auto-correct on my phone keeps changing Shaedon to “Shakedown”… just sayin’!

 

[SharpesTriumph]

A couple of Sharpe's hang time plays were amazing to watch, he just seems to hang in the air.

After watching the basketball science episode on Jordan's hang time I know its a myth, he seemed to hang in the air the way his head would move up and down, plus his vertical was so damn high, he didn't actually hang if you watched his core body position. Jordan's jump was a fluid up and down the same as any object going up and down.

So I have to think its really just Sharpe's vertical in a similar manner that makes him appear to hang. But he also has both the strength as well as the shot control to get shots up as he is landing at the very end of his jump. Thats got to be extremely hard to master to the point of doing during an actual NBA game. He's doing it a year after high school against the best basketball players on the planet. The sky is the limit for this kid.

 

[Haakzilla]

Auto-correct on my phone keeps changing Shaedon to “Shakedown”… just sayin’!

Tough to top Rim Shaedy after there was an entire rap song written about him -- but Shakedown also has a nice ring to it!! Is this the first ever auto-correct that one could be happy about??

 

[HailBlazers]

Can't wait for the Air Shaedons to release.