OT The Shooting of Patrick Lyoya

[Chris Craig]

Patrick Lyoya was shot in the head by a Grand Rapids police officer, on April 4th, as he lay on the ground face down with the cop on top of him.

Lyoya had been pulled over and then ran from the cop on feet. The officer caught up with Lyoya and gained control before he decided to take out his taser. The officer and Lyoya struggled over the taser which went off twice not hitting either of them.

The officer laying over Lyoya still trying to get back control, held Lyoya down, took out his gun and shot Lyoya in the back of the head execution style. During the struggle the officers body camera was turned off, but a bystander caught the shooting on video.

 

[theprunetang]

Patrick Lyoya was shot in the head by a Grand Rapids police officer, on April 4th, as he lay on the ground face down with the cop on top of him.

Lyoya had been pulled over and then ran from the cop on feet. The officer caught up with Lyoya and gained control before he decided to take out his taser. The officer and Lyoya struggled over the taser which went off twice not hitting either of them.

The officer laying over Lyoya still trying to get back control, held Lyoya down, took out his gun and shot Lyoya in the back of the head execution style. During the struggle the officers body camera was turned off, but a bystander caught the shooting on video.



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Let's give the police more money

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

Let's give the police more money

They should be better trained and paying them more, should increase the quality of the officers.

The higher the pay, the higher the caliber of the officers would be. I mean, that's how it works with teachers, doesn't it?

 

[jonnyboy]

Try to fight a cop and grab their weapon off of them and see how it works out for you.

 

[crandc]

Funny coincidence, what color was he again? I'm sure that is just chance because there is no such thing as systemic racism!

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

Here's the full video:

 

[jonnyboy]

Funny coincidence, what color was he again? I'm sure that is just chance because there is no such thing as systemic racism!

More white people are killed by police than any other race.

 

[Chris Craig]

They should be better trained and paying them more, should increase the quality of the officers.

The higher the pay, the higher the caliber of the officers would be. I mean, that's how it works with teachers, doesn't it?

Teachers don't shoot people in the back of the head ... generally

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

Teachers don't shoot people in the back of the head ... generally

Yeah, they only sleep with their underage students.

 

[Chris Craig]

Yeah, they only sleep with their underage students.

Most teachers don't do that.

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

Most teachers don't do that.

Most cops don't shoot people in the back of the head.

 

[Chris Craig]

Most cops don't shoot people in the back of the head.

There are alot more cops out there killing people than there are deviant teachers.

Im not here to compare the two anyway.

This is a thread about a murderer cop, not about a teacher

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

There are alot more cops out there killing people than there are deviant teachers.

Im not here to compare the two anyway.

This is a thread about a murderer cop, not about a teacher

Then again, we need better cops and better trained cops. That takes more money.

 

[Chris Craig]

Then again, we need better cops and better trained cops. That takes more money.

Paying police more is not going to stop the ones who do this.

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

Paying police more is not going to stop the ones who do this.

If you pay more, you'll attract a higher caliber candidate. And the less qualified candidates will be filtered out due to competition.

Also, ensuring that the police are well trained and frequently tested for competence costs money as well.

 

[Natebishop3]

There are alot more cops out there killing people than there are deviant teachers.

Im not here to compare the two anyway.

This is a thread about a murderer cop, not about a teacher

Hmmmm.....

There was 696,644 full time law enforcement in America in 2020.
1009 police shootings in the last year https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/investigations/police-shootings-database/

That's not even 1% of cops. It's 0.0014%

In 2017-2018 there was 3.3 million teachers in the US.
Not sure how credible this article is but.... https://childrenstreatmentcenter.com/sexual-abuse-teachers/

• Of children in 8th through 11th grade, about 3.5 million students (nearly 7%) surveyed reported having had physical sexual contact from an adult (most often a teacher or coach). The type of physical contact ranged from unwanted touching of their body, all the way up to sexual intercourse.
• This statistic increases to about 4.5 million children (10%) when it takes other types of sexual misconduct into consideration, such as being shown pornography or being subjected to sexually explicit language or exhibitionism.

 

[HansenYang]

Funny coincidence, what color was he again? I'm sure that is just chance because there is no such thing as systemic racism!

There are a lot of other factors that go into this.

Culture & and personal decisions make up 80%-90% of the issue.

 

[crandc]

There are a lot of other factors that go into this.

Culture & and personal decisions make up 80%-90% of the issue.

And those personal decisions overwhelmingly include being born Black or Brown.

 

[RR7]

Hmmmm.....

There was 696,644 full time law enforcement in America in 2020.
1009 police shootings in the last year https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/investigations/police-shootings-database/

That's not even 1% of cops. It's 0.0014%

In 2017-2018 there was 3.3 million teachers in the US.
Not sure how credible this article is but.... https://childrenstreatmentcenter.com/sexual-abuse-teachers/

• Of children in 8th through 11th grade, about 3.5 million students (nearly 7%) surveyed reported having had physical sexual contact from an adult (most often a teacher or coach). The type of physical contact ranged from unwanted touching of their body, all the way up to sexual intercourse.
• This statistic increases to about 4.5 million children (10%) when it takes other types of sexual misconduct into consideration, such as being shown pornography or being subjected to sexually explicit language or exhibitionism.

"Most often a teacher or a coach" throws out the percentage as being kind of worthless, no?

 

[Natebishop3]

"Most often a teacher or a coach" throws out the percentage as being kind of worthless, no?

Not saying it’s perfect. I think a lot of cases of abuse, not just from teachers, go unreported. I just was curious about the topic and this was the first thing I found. But police shootings are very documented. We know exactly how many happen each year.

 

[Phatguysrule]

They should be better trained and paying them more, should increase the quality of the officers.

The higher the pay, the higher the caliber of the officers would be. I mean, that's how it works with teachers, doesn't it?

This is exactly right. Higher pay, better training, required to live inside the city they serve (possibly housing covered by the police department).

This is also where a national firearms restriction would come in handy. Any corrupt police could also receive a firearm restriction on their drivers license. Preventing them from having any job which would gain them access to firearms.

 

[Phatguysrule]

Not saying it’s perfect. I think a lot of cases of abuse, not just from teachers, go unreported. I just was curious about the topic and this was the first thing I found. But police shootings are very documented. We know exactly how many happen each year.

Let's compare actual licensed teachers. Lumping "coaches" in is really lowering the bar. Adult volunteers who are put in a position of authority over kids is like a neon sign requesting perverts to apply.

I'm a coach, so I'm certainly not saying all coaches are perverts. The vast majority aren't. Most are absolutely fantastic people. But the barrier to entry is low for a pervert and the potential to find an opportunity to exploit is significant.

I'm very careful to make sure I get to know the coaches who work with my daughters, and have had that discussion with all of my daughters.

 

[ABM]

They should be better trained and paying them more, should increase the quality of the officers.

The higher the pay, the higher the caliber of the officers would be. I mean, that's how it works with teachers, doesn't it?

It also works that way with rental properties. jus sayin

 

[bigbailes]

Poor decisions made in this video ....

- Having the wrong license plate for the vehicle
- Getting out of the car when a cop pulls you over
- Not having your license ready to go and seemingly stalling thinking that's going to work
- Run from the cop
- Wrestle with a cop on the ground
- Try to get the taser away from the cop
- shooting someone in the back of the head

It should go without saying that the last one is the BY FAR the worst of all the decisions, but it's amazing how many different choices we can make in these situations that will result in a different outcome. Multiple lives either gone, ruined or greatly impacted by a handful of bad decisions all made in split seconds.

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

This is exactly right. Higher pay, better training, required to live inside the city they serve (possibly housing covered by the police department).

This is also where a national firearms restriction would come in handy. Any corrupt police could also receive a firearm restriction on their drivers license. Preventing them from having any job which would gain them access to firearms.

They should be regularly tested for psychological competence, especially if they are allowed to have a gun. I don't believe every police officer should be allowed to carry a gun. There should be different levels to being a police officer.

 

[Chris Craig]

Poor decisions made in this video ....

- Having the wrong license plate for the vehicle
- Getting out of the car when a cop pulls you over
- Not having your license ready to go and seemingly stalling thinking that's going to work
- Run from the cop
- Wrestle with a cop on the ground
- Try to get the taser away from the cop
- shooting someone in the back of the head

It should go without saying that the last one is the BY FAR the worst of all the decisions, but it's amazing how many different choices we can make in these situations that will result in a different outcome. Multiple lives either gone, ruined or greatly impacted by a handful of bad decisions all made in split seconds.

Lyoya shouldn't have made the choices he did, sure. He probably should have just stayed in the car until asked to get out, listened to and obeyed the officer. Going to jail is better than dying.

But, as a black man he was afraid, afraid that this cop was going to kill him, and he wasn't wrong.

 

[Phatguysrule]

They should be regularly tested for psychological competence, especially if they are allowed to have a gun. I don't believe every police officer should be allowed to carry a gun. There should be different levels to being a police officer.

Yeah, that seems reasonable.

 

[Natebishop3]

But, as a black man he was afraid, afraid that this cop was going to kill him, and he wasn't wrong.

But like.... I feel like that's a pretty big leap to fear that the guy is going to shoot you while you're in the car to the guy actually shooting you because you wrestled with him for his weapon.

It would be like me being afraid that a Bengal Tiger is going to eat me.... so I climb into the Tiger's cage and wrestle with it.

 

[jonnyboy]

But, as a black man he was afraid, afraid that this cop was going to kill him, and he wasn't wrong.

So he wrestled him to the ground, grabbed his taser and tried to taze him with it?

 

[jonnyboy]

The guy literally took the officer’s only means non-lethal defense and tried to use it on him. What happens if the guy successfully tazes the officer? Then what? Nobody knows the answer, that’s why dude got shot.