'The Slide' - WTF-Torre Does The Soft Shoe...

[Mattingly23NY]

concerning last nights, (Sat.10/10) Mets=Bums game. Utley slides into Tejada, no impediment to the runner, neither fielder or runner touches base. WTF-

Torre was under more 'hot lights' than anyone. Joe's showing his age, unfortunately, always the ambassador to MLB. Tired and looking burned out exhausted while answering press questions, late in the night. Joe will be up long into the night, get little sleep, and have some possible game as we've known it, decisions to make, a revision in base running?..........

What constitutes a dirty hit? Going out of the base-path, sliding spikes up (ala Cobb style), a late slide often is intentional to some degrees. It's long been a part of the game, but within reason....

Ironic- because the most controversial slides into 2nd base, taking out the defender, to the extreme, happened at its worst, IN Post Season Play.......(not counting Rose's deliberate macho crash into Fosse or A.S. play)

flashback:

1977 ALCS, McRae takes Randolph out. By far IMO, the furthest over board example of a cheap dirty slide by Hal, those fkn pests Royals of that era, glad the Yanx owned them.


1973 NLCS - Rose slides into Harrelson,
then gets up & fist fights, rolls, wrestling punching, and the benches cleared. Rose did not come out a Rose.....



I disagree with the distinction of Rose being the dirtiest or craziest mad man on the base paths, that belongs to Tryus Cobb, with sharpened cleats a flying in the air, into all bases. Or John McGraw's dirty antics.

Will MLB and Umps Union find a new ruling, and call it the Tejada/Utley incident or Chase Slide, or Rose, perhaps the best/worst modern day example IMO was McRae's BS slide way out of line, and beyond the bag, .........

 

[Rick2583]

Yeah that McRae slide was one of the worst bullshit calls I've ever seen.

 

[yankeesince59]

...there are some baseball rules that kinda contradict themselves...a runner is not allowed to interfere with a fielder ...but isn't that exactly what a runner is doing when trying to break up a DP?
...it's kinda like calling a balk on a pitcher because the rules don't allow the pitcher to intentionally deceive the batter...but infielders are allowed to "deke" a base runner which is intentionally intentionally deceiving them.


...I'm sure there are more.

 

[Rick2583]

There's a call in football that drives me nuts that I don't recall being a rule when I was growing up, its called FALSE START. I mean hell if I twitch my shoulder forcing YOU to go off sides that's on you. IMO its one of the dumbest calls in football.

 

[Mattingly23NY]

There's a call in football that drives me nuts that I don't recall being a rule when I was growing up, its called FALSE START. I mean hell if I twitch my shoulder forcing YOU to go off sides that's on you. IMO its one of the dumbest calls in football.

Bring back the "Deacon Head Slap"........

Full contact Baseball League, anyone? It would probably be less watched than Roller Derby.....

 

[Mattingly23NY]

...there are some baseball rules that kinda contradict themselves...a runner is not allowed to interfere with a fielder ...but isn't that exactly what a runner is doing when trying to break up a DP?
...it's kinda like calling a balk on a pitcher because the rules don't allow the pitcher to intentionally deceive the batter...but infielders are allowed to "deke" a base runner which is intentionally intentionally deceiving them.

Excellent Point, one I have to wake up and think about, ie, "Deceptive" and/or contradictory rules......Throwing at batters, IMO is one, nothing wrong with Chin Music, but intentional bearings don't belong in the sport, but how can/will an Umpire know if its intentional or not? what's next? Lie Detectors for Pitchers???? ............



...I'm sure there are more.

My only concern is not for Tejada, the kid and all SS/2nd basemen who have to of been taught how to jump; with the ability to move, in the necessary direction, and still Turn Two, when a runners coming in hard....

The concern, another B.S. MLB rule, placing a "do not enter" tape around 2nd base, or- lets just put dresses on SS's/2nd basemen, hell let's just put a neon "do not touch" dress on the Middle Infielders......

To be honest, I don't see the greats who played 2nd or SS, being hit or ran into, without the ability to avoid contact and still turn two, or at least get the out at 2nd.....;

Then we got Joey fkhed Belle.......(the thug)


It pissed me off, when Wright was originally interviewed, exaggerated: (to paraphrase): "He was 10 feet beyond the base."

Replays proved otherwise, Utley was but half his body length beyond the base, 3-4 feet is not equivalent to Wright's 10 feet. Wonder if Wright tells his kids and grand-kids, He hit HR's always beyond 500 feet....(by the time he has grand-kids, it will be 600 feet)......!!

 

[Mattingly23NY]

 

[Rick2583]

I'm convinced that the Belle thing was a result of roid rage. On top of the fact that he was loose cannon anyway.

 

[yankeesince59]

...lol.

 

[Rick2583]

last news

http://goo.gl/oGTb7G

 

[yankeesince59]

...new account?...coincidence?

 

[Rick2583]

The plot thickens, we shall see.

 

[Mattingly23NY]

The plot thickens, we shall see.

New Rule to come: as noted per USA Today-

http://www.usatoday.com/story/sport...m=newsletter&utm_campaign=los-angeles-dodgers

 

[Mattingly23NY]

Biggio's take:
http://espn.go.com/mlb/playoffs2015...hange-wake-ruben-tejada-chase-utley-collision

Biggio, who entered the Baseball Hall of Fame in July and works as a special assistant to Houston Astros general manager Jeff Luhnow, has a novel perspective on collisions. He played four seasons as a catcher in Houston before moving to second base, where he made six All-Star teams and amassed the bulk of his 3,060 career hits. He told ESPN.com that he wouldn't be in favor of rules changes to try to legislate safety in the middle infield.

"I just hope the game doesn't change the way they did with the home-plate thing. I hate this thing back here," said Biggio, pointing behind home plate at Minute Maid Park. "I'm not a big fan of it. This game is played by big men. They're fast, and unfortunately sometimes things are going to happen.

"It's like every time somebody gets hurt, we're changing the rules. They do it in college, where you have to slide straight into the base. I think that's absolutely, 100 percent correct, because you have a bunch of amateur players who are playing a little kamikaze at times. You have to control those guys. Guys in the minor leagues and the big leagues understand the way you're supposed to slide. If you don't slide the right way, usually your pitcher will take care of that."

Biggio recalled two instances in his career when he made an overaggressive slide into second base and was plunked by the opposing pitcher during his next plate appearance. One came against St. Louis infielder Tommy Herr; the other came against Cincinnati's Ron Oester.

Biggio suffered the only major injury of his career in 2000, when he tore the medial collateral and anterior cruciate ligaments in his left knee on an aggressive takeout slide by Florida Marlins outfielder Preston Wilson. He later described the slide as "hard and clean" to reporters.

In Biggio's view, Utley's slide into Tejada fell into more of a "gray area."

"Dirty is when you go over the bag and miss the bag," Biggio said. "That's dirty. That's like, 'We're gonna get you back for that one.' Last night was a tough one. The way I viewed it, [Utley] was right next to the bag, and it's in that gray area. The kid should have realized, 'I'm not gonna get two' and just caught it and got out of the way. But hindsight is 20-20 sometimes. You're in the heat of the game and you think you can turn it.

 

[Mattingly23NY]

hell with it, let's have full contact baseball, in Football Gear, wearing skates on the ice, let's play ball..........put up a penalty box......

no throwing at the head......

 

[Mattingly23NY]

Do all MLB Admins have to know the Soft Shoe Scuffle......???

Torre has not been at his best with this incident, rather shuffling scuffling, no tap dancing, (Joe's too old), so its the soft shoe,.....while the MLB Media goes ape shit with this one. Where the fk was the National Media in 77's ALCS............???

I've never seen a take out as out of line as the McRae into Randolph, hell Utley's slide pails in comparison......