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honkicracker said:
The only thing that annoys me is the thunder fans/the media are going to say.
"oh well this would be a different series if Ibaka was available."

While the rim protection would be there... Ibaka doesn't make up for 35points. or even 20points................
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Totally agree. Ibaka is key guy but he makes a 5-10 point difference at the most. Spurs would attack him and tire him out eventually. They have waves of offensive options and Ibaka could only do so much by himself then it would be back to what we've seen so far.
 
3RA1N1AC said:
wasnt it two years ago where the spurs looked completely unbeatable, swept the first two rounds? and then took the first two from okc, only to then lose the next 4

please dont do that again spurs
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This is a different Spurs team. That game 6 loss gave them a chip on their shoulder and cut throat mentality rarely seen by any pro sports team.
 
Wow, I've always had a lot of respect for the Blazers and their fans, but reading the majority of the comments in this thread have me grinning, and I'm only a Spurs fan. Really hope Portland manages to win it all next year or the year after (provided the Spurs get to the promised land this year).
 
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After next game I guarantee the Thunder.......Oh nevermind.

The Spurs are crazy good. Ibaka is a huge absence, but not 52 points huge
 
If the thunder had more than 2 guys who could score it due would be helpful.
 
The Spurs are great, but they won't be good for much longer. Duncan is the guy that makes them go. Not Parker. Not Ginobili. And not Popovich. Duncan is a rare superstar who defers to what is best for the team. He's lost some athleticism from his younger days, but he has the highest basketball IQ of almost any player I've seen. When he's done the Spurs will struggle to make the playoffs in my opinion.
 
tlongII said:
The Spurs are great, but they won't be good for much longer. Duncan is the guy that makes them go. Not Parker. Not Ginobili. And not Popovich. Duncan is a rare superstar who defers to what is best for the team. He's lost some athleticism from his younger days, but he has the highest basketball IQ of almost any player I've seen. When he's done the Spurs will struggle to make the playoffs in my opinion.
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I don't think it is that simple. They are all factors on why they are good. IMO the Pop factor is huge, and Parker carries the team in close games. Their bench has always been good, but no doubt Duncan is a Hall of Famer. You need it all to win it all.
 
these guys are stunningly good, has there been a better example in more recent times of TEAM basketball? just wow
 
If they win this year, I'm guessing Tim will retire. But I also expect him to stay around the team in some capacity.
 
Pinwheel1 said:
I don't think it is that simple. They are all factors on why they are good. IMO the Pop factor is huge, and Parker carries the team in close games. Their bench has always been good, but no doubt Duncan is a Hall of Famer. You need it all to win it all.
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I think it is that simple. Parker and Ginobili are great players no doubt and Popovich is an excellent coach. However, Parker and Ginobili buy into the team concept because of Duncan in my opinion. Popovich was never a head coach until the year Robinson got hurt and they proceeded to tank to get the #1 pick (Duncan). He has never been a head coach other than that partial season without Duncan.
 
yuyuza1 said:
If they win this year, I'm guessing Tim will retire. But I also expect him to stay around the team in some capacity.
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I don't think he's done yet. I think he'll play 1 or 2 more years. He's amazing. When his knees starting bothering him he dropped about 20 pounds to alleviate the stress on them. He does everything well.
 
tester551 said:
It's because he doesn't take half effort from anyone. Most coaches give some players preferred treatment. But Pop rips into Parker & Duncan just as often (if not more) than all the other players. The remarkable thing is that Duncan & Parker take it. When they do, all the other players fall in line & play up to their potential.
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Not only does it not matter who the player is, it doesn't matter what the score is. A couple of mistakes in a row, call timeout - whether up by 23 (as he did against the Thunder) or down by 23.

No matter who the player is, what the score is, what time it is if there's a problem, he nips it in the bud. No politics or agendas involved.
 
Spurs just defending home court. they still have work to do.
 
Draco said:
LeBron is every bit the handful Jordan was. Spurs were right there with Pop schemes and multiple defensive players. How would Luc longly match up with Duncan? How would Rodman defend a small ball Kawhi? Beauty of Spurs is they exploit any mismatch so you can't hide a Steve Kerr on defense.

Don't get me wrong, Bulls teams were great and may very well win but I think these Spurs might be favored or at the least have a realistic chance.
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Rodman would have no issue guarding Kawhi. At all. You're severely underselling Pippen, Jordan, Rodman and their other key contributors.

Also, depends what rules you're playing with. Jordan would probably average 50 in his prime with these no hand checking rules.
 
Draco said:
LeBron is every bit the handful Jordan was. Spurs were right there with Pop schemes and multiple defensive players. How would Luc longly match up with Duncan? How would Rodman defend a small ball Kawhi? Beauty of Spurs is they exploit any mismatch so you can't hide a Steve Kerr on defense.

Don't get me wrong, Bulls teams were great and may very well win but I think these Spurs might be favored or at the least have a realistic chance.
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if they went to a smaller lineup, you'd have Rodman on Duncan. Pippen on kawhi .
 
OregonHuskerMan said:
Rodman would have no issue guarding Kawhi. At all. You're severely underselling Pippen, Jordan, Rodman and their other key contributors.

Also, depends what rules you're playing with. Jordan would probably average 50 in his prime with these no hand checking rules.
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to go along with the 20 traveling turnovers....
 
Schilly said:
If the thunder had more than 2 guys who could score it due would be helpful.
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That's where ibaka absence hurts so much. He's the only guys who can contribute on both ends. Now they'll either have good offense or good defense but never both.

I do put a lot of blame on Brooks. Never liked his offense, it's too much isolation and watching.
 
tlongII said:
The Spurs are great, but they won't be good for much longer. Duncan is the guy that makes them go. Not Parker. Not Ginobili. And not Popovich. Duncan is a rare superstar who defers to what is best for the team. He's lost some athleticism from his younger days, but he has the highest basketball IQ of almost any player I've seen. When he's done the Spurs will struggle to make the playoffs in my opinion.
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Parker is their best player and Kawhi is a stud only getting better. Splitter outplayed Dirk and LMA in the playoffs this year. They may take a step back but I expect to see them find another great team player and be in the mix.
 
Draco said:
Parker is their best player and Kawhi is a stud only getting better. Splitter outplayed Dirk and LMA in the playoffs this year. They may take a step back but I expect to see them find another great team player and be in the mix.
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Series stats:

Splitter 7/6
LMA 22/10

Yeah, Splitter outplayed LMA. Sure got the best of him in that match-up!! Did he slow down LMA? Sure. Did he outplay LMA? Only in the most subjective of opinions.
 
yuyuza1 said:
If they win this year, I'm guessing Tim will retire. But I also expect him to stay around the team in some capacity.
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He's never won back to back titles. He seems to love and appreciate the game so I see him going one more season, one year at a time.
 
OregonHuskerMan said:
Could even put Pippen on Parker and Jordan on Kawhi.
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Jordan and Pipp win that matchup by quite a lot for sure. But Spurs would make them work and tired just as what happened to Durant and Westbrook in quarter 3 of game one. Bulls never had to play against teams with this much pace up and down the court. Spurs reserve would murder bulls reserves.
 
PapaG said:
Series stats:

Splitter 7/6
LMA 22/10

Yeah, Splitter outplayed LMA. Sure got the best of him in that match-up!! Did he slow down LMA? Sure. Did he outplay LMA? Only in the most subjective of opinions.
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LaMarcus couldn't get quality shots for himself or teammates. It was all due to Splitter dominant defense. When Splitter was out LMA abused Diaw down low.

It's similar to harden Wes match up in round 1. Harden got points but was so inefficient it hurt the team.
 
Draco said:
Parker is their best player and Kawhi is a stud only getting better. Splitter outplayed Dirk and LMA in the playoffs this year. They may take a step back but I expect to see them find another great team player and be in the mix.
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I disagree. I think most Spurs fans would tell you that Duncan is still their best player.
 
Draco said:
LaMarcus couldn't get quality shots for himself or teammates. It was all due to Splitter dominant defense. When Splitter was out LMA abused Diaw down low.

It's similar to harden Wes match up in round 1. Harden got points but was so inefficient it hurt the team.
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Yeah, I remember Splitter playing very tough D against LA. So, I did some researching for matchup data statistics and found the SportVU Archive. Enjoy!

SportVU Archive: 2014 NBA Playoffs
Throughout the 2014 NBA Playoffs, we will use SportVU player tracking technology to take a closer look at the key defensive matchups in each series. The SportVU data allows us to look at specific player vs. player matchup stats in a variety of categories such as points scored, shooting percentages, drives, rebounds, the amount of time each defender spent guarding a player and much more.
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Game 1
http://stats.nba.com/featured/sportvu_matchup_data_searchin_2014_05_07.html#por-san

Game 2
http://stats.nba.com/featured/sportvu_matchup_data_defendin_2014_05_09.html#por-san

Game 3
http://stats.nba.com/featured/sportvu_matchup_data_saturday_2014_05_11.html#por-san

Game 4
http://stats.nba.com/featured/sportvu_matchup_data_no_stopp_2014_05_13.html#san-por

Game 5
http://stats.nba.com/featured/sportvu_shutting_the_door_2014_05_15.html#por-san
 
team defense by the Spurs slowed down Aldridge, not one player.
Just like team defense is slowing Durant. Not one player.
You know that's how good teams defend superstars.
with 5, not one.
 
Draco said:
LaMarcus couldn't get quality shots for himself or teammates. It was all due to Splitter dominant defense. When Splitter was out LMA abused Diaw down low.

It's similar to harden Wes match up in round 1. Harden got points but was so inefficient it hurt the team.
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It wasn't due to team defense? It was all on Splitter? Again, Splitter averaged 7/6 for the series. Saying he outplayed LMA is a reach, in my opinion.
 
honkicracker said:
team defense by the Spurs slowed down Aldridge, not one player.
Just like team defense is slowing Durant. Not one player.
You know that's how good teams defend superstars.
with 5, not one.
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Yes, that's part of it. Each defender needs to be able to guard their man and provide help defense as necessary. Some match-ups work in our favor and some don't. Great coaches like Pops exploit those match-ups.
 
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