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BonesJones said:
Lol I figured. I don't know why we're comparing Turners and Mitchell's college stats as if it means anything.
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Because Mitchell hasn't played a single game in the NBA yet and college is better than saying "P2 is better than P1 because I said so."
 
BonesJones said:
He is though. If not he will be. Guarantee.
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Okay. Is one month of data enough? We can check in mid-November who has the better line on a per minute basis.

My real point is that I think that with the Blazers big three, ET+Mitchell << ET+ZCollins in a few years.
 
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Reep said:
Okay. Is one month of data enough? We can check in mid-November who has the better line on a per minute basis.

My real point is that I think that with the Blazers big three, ET+Mitchell << ET+ZCollins in a few years.
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Why would we check then? Get back on this in 2-3 years.
 
dviss1 said:
We need to stop calling it that. He doesn't Pritch slap anymore and is not our GM 2 GMs ago.

It's Olshey can't we see you get Olshlapped. ;)
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What I actually meant was actually slapping Pritch. I can see how that didn't come through though. :)

:cheers:
 
I'm gonna be so excited when, for the first time in this entire thread, we can talk about actual stuff, actually happening!
 
The thread title should have an "on" for every thousand posts.

It justs goes on and on and on and on...
 
Reep said:
Okay. Is one month of data enough? We can check in mid-November who has the better line on a per minute basis.

My real point is that I think that with the Blazers big three, ET+Mitchell << ET+ZCollins in a few years.
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ET isn't a good player though. Would've loved Mitchell+Collins. Could've packaged Vonleh+26 for 13 (Utah trades 24+Lyles).

Just saying this dude is gonna be an absolute stud.
 
dviss1 said:
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Why would we check then? Get back on this in 2-3 years.
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Because this is what I was responding to:

BonesJones said:
Don't draft for need, draft fit talent. Mitchell is already better than Turner. He's a taller, longer-wingspaned version of Avery Bradley. Wouldve been ready to replace Crabbes minutes and outpace his production. Evan Turner is a SF.
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I think Mitchell will be a good player in the league, but unlikely ever be an all-star. I think ZCollins has a chance to be. If Fox or Fultz were available at 10 by surprise, I would have totally been on board with taking them over ZCollins despite positional needs, because they will likely be transformative. I just don't think Mitchell is quite to that level.
 
Maybe we should just change the name of this thread to "Come here if you just want to BS while the dead part of the year trudges onward."
 
BonesJones said:
He's already better. Can shoot better, is a better defender, more athletic...
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So, let's say that we had a critical game in the first week of the season against Houston. You feel comfortable that Mitchell could come in and defend CP3 and/or Harden better than ET? Really?

I'm not saying Mitchell won't be a better defender, even by the end of the season. But I think it is a big stretch to call him a better defender before he has even faced a single NBA guard.
 
BTW, if Mitchell doesn't even see the court in October-November, do I win by default? He was a good pick for them, but not sure he is going to see much time behind Rubio, Exum, Burks and Hood (not including Johnson and Sefolosha).
 
Okay apples to apples Sophomore season for both per 40 pace adjusted

Turner 20.3pts, 8.3reb, 4.6ast, 44%3pt, 50.7%fg
Mitchell 19.6pts, 6.1reb, 3.4ast, 35.4%3pt, 46.3%fg

It's a good thing players don't have to prove it in the NBA.
 
Natebishop3 said:
Well..... you did say:
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He's not a good NBA player. He's an average (at best) bench player, as he is inefficient, needs the ball in his hands, and can't space the floor. Never said he souldn't be in the league, just that he's an 8th or 9th man on a good team.
 
Schilly said:
Okay apples to apples Sophomore season for both per 40 pace adjusted

Turner 20.3pts, 8.3reb, 4.6ast, 44%3pt, 50.7%fg
Mitchell 19.6pts, 6.1reb, 3.4ast, 35.4%3pt, 46.3%fg

It's a good thing players don't have to prove it in the NBA.
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One's game translates well, one's doesn't.
 
Here's another nugget of info about Turner.

COLLEGE CAREER:

Was an early entry candidate for the 2010 NBA Draft following his junior season at Ohio State. Swept the national player of the year honors in 2009-10, picking up the Naismith Trophy, the John R. Wooden Award along with the USBWA, Associated Press and NABC player of the year awards. Also Big Ten Player of the Year and Big Ten Tournament Most Outstanding Player. As a junior, led the Big Ten in scoring (20.4 ppg) and rebounding (9.2 rpg) while ranking second in assists (6.0 apg) and steals (1.7 spg). According to STATS, became the first Division I player to average at least 20 points, 9 rebounds and 6 assists in a single season since Oscar Robertson did so in back-to-back seasons in 1958-59 and 1959-60. Opened the season with a triple-double against Alcorn State and posted another one four games later vs. Lipscomb, becoming the 34th player in NCAA Division I history to record multiple triple-doubles in the same season. Suffered a transverse process fracture on the second and third lumbar vertebra against Eastern Michigan on 12/5/09 but missed just six games after initially being diagnosed with a recovery time of eight weeks. In his first game back, scored a career-high tying 32 points at Purdue. Shot 51.9% from the floor as a junior and 50.2% for his career.
 
BonesJones said:
One's game translates well, one's doesn't.
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That remains to be seen, which is why it's sill to assess that a college player is better right now than a guy who has been in the league, albeit as a reserve. The list of "can't miss" players who missed is pretty long.
 
Schilly said:
That remains to be seen, which is why it's sill to assess that a college player is better right now than a guy who has been in the league, albeit as a reserve. The list of "can't miss" players who missed is pretty long.
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Ed O'Bannon and Adam Morrison agree with you.
 
Schilly said:
That remains to be seen, which is why it's sill to assess that a college player is better right now than a guy who has been in the league, albeit as a reserve. The list of "can't miss" players who missed is pretty long.
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Turner's game didn't translate because he couldn't shoot from the outside, and wasn't quick enough to get around NBA defenders like he did at Ohio State. He also had more of a strength advantage in college than the NBA, so he could bully his way into the paint as well. His short wingspan was also more of a factor in the NBA because he wasn't athletic enough or crafty enough to finish against NBA bigs.

Mitchell has none of those problems.
 
BonesJones said:
Turner's game didn't translate because he couldn't shoot from the outside, and wasn't quick enough to get around NBA defenders like he did at Ohio State. He also had more of a strength advantage in college than the NBA, so he could bully his way into the paint as well. His short wingspan was also more of a factor in the NBA because he wasn't athletic enough or crafty enough to finish against NBA bigs.

Mitchell has none of those problems.
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Except for one thing, in college as a sophmore, Turner shot 44% from 3 compared to Mitchells 35%, so your logic in proof is flawed until Mitchell proves he can do it at the NBA level.
 
Schilly said:
Except for one thing, in college as a sophmore, Turner shot 44% from 3 compared to Mitchells 35%, so your logic in proof is flawed until Mitchell proves he can do it at the NBA level.
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Yeah, except Turner has an extremely flat shot that results in a faster velocity on the ball when he shoots. Those types of shots degrade much faster the further away you get from the hoop. Why? Because if you're 2 feet away and shoot it at a 40 degree angle, the ball will hit some part of the rim and still likely go in because the shot is still soft. If you shoot from NBA 3, with that flat of a shot, it'll be extremely fast and ricochet hard off the rim. A higher entry point to the basket means that the ball will more likely go straight through, meaning that the shot extends way with range.

That's why Turner shot 44% from 3pt in college, and has struggled so much from NBA range. That's also why Turner is so much better from the corners than anywhere else. From NBA range, he struggles to get the ball over the rim. Mitchell doesn't have that problem. He has a good arc on his shot with a good form that doesn't struggle from 3.
 
Schilly said:
I understand the physics, I just don't agree that your opinion in the matter is as black and whit cut and dry as you think it is.
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Of course not, it's an opinion based off a player that hasn't played an NBA game.
 
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