The Surprisingly Strong Case for Colonizing Venus

[barfo]

Post #18, barfo.

Post #18 is just an excerpt from Wikipedia, and a fairly unsubstantial one at that. It isn't evidence of anything at all.

And flat earth gets hundreds of billions in govt. grants.

barfo

 

[Denny Crane]

The words are read left to right, one at a time. Did you fail to do so? Or are you ignoring the bit about the DOE twice recommending further research and grant money, but the money never happened?

http://usgovinfo.about.com/od/feder...uch-Shrimp-Treadmill-Study-Cost-Taxpayers.htm

Where are your priorities?

 

[3RA1N1AC]

the government shouldnt be picking winners and losers when it comes to energy

or something like that, i cant remember

 

[barfo]

The words are read left to right, one at a time. Did you fail to do so? Or are you ignoring the bit about the DOE twice recommending further research and grant money, but the money never happened?

http://usgovinfo.about.com/od/feder...uch-Shrimp-Treadmill-Study-Cost-Taxpayers.htm

Where are your priorities?

I don't know the details of the shrimp study. But I'm sure it wasn't competing with cold fusion proposals. So you might as well bring up the census or fighter jets or any other federal spending.

The DOE did NOT recommend further funding. It merely said proposals should be considered.

barfo

 

[MadeFromDust]

It's over 800 degrees on Venus, but that's only the first problem, as soon as we leave the earth's protective atmosphere we are going to get fried to a crisp by the sun's radiation. We ain't leaving this planet.

 

[Denny Crane]

the government shouldnt be picking winners and losers when it comes to energy

or something like that, i cant remember

Read the article. It says billionaires have an obligation to fund a colony on venus or fusion reactors.

 

[Denny Crane]

I don't know the details of the shrimp study. But I'm sure it wasn't competing with cold fusion proposals. So you might as well bring up the census or fighter jets or any other federal spending.

The DOE did NOT recommend further funding. It merely said proposals should be considered.

barfo

I can't keep track of whether you're in denial or just deflecting from what you don't want to admit.

 

[3RA1N1AC]

Read the article. It says billionaires have an obligation to fund a colony on venus or fusion reactors.

some people think they have an obligation to feed hungry children, or an obligation to pay for roads and schools. who are we to say how they can spend their money? i say we let the free market figure it out.

 

[Denny Crane]

some people think they have an obligation to feed hungry children, or an obligation to pay for roads and schools. who are we to say how they can spend their money? i say we let the free market figure it out.

The govt. studies talk to its viability.

I don't suggest the billionaires spend their money any way they don't want to.

 

[3RA1N1AC]

give the scientists all of the tax subsidies going to oil companies, they would figure it out yesterday

but that would be the government doing it. and the government is bad

 

[barfo]

I can't keep track of whether you're in denial or just deflecting from what you don't want to admit.

You can't keep track because you haven't provided any evidence for your conspiracy theory.

If you think the DOE promised or even recommended funding, please quote the language where they say that. Otherwise, you are just blowing smoke. And yes, smoking does cause lung cancer, no matter what you 'skeptics' have decided to believe.

barfo

 

[Denny Crane]

give the scientists all of the tax subsidies going to oil companies, they would figure it out yesterday

but that would be the government doing it. and the government is bad

There are no tax subsidies going to oil companies, just to green energy ones.

 

[Denny Crane]

You can't keep track because you haven't provided any evidence for your conspiracy theory.

If you think the DOE promised or even recommended funding, please quote the language where they say that. Otherwise, you are just blowing smoke. And yes, smoking does cause lung cancer, no matter what you 'skeptics' have decided to believe.

barfo

When scientists can't get their results published by peer censored publications, there's a conspiracy or collusion involved.

 

[MarAzul]

It's over 800 degrees on Venus, but that's only the first problem, as soon as we leave the earth's protective atmosphere we are going to get fried to a crisp by the sun's radiation. We ain't leaving this planet.

Ah! these guys believe in Science and science can do! Don't sweat the small shit.

 

[barfo]

When scientists can't get their results published by peer censored publications, there's a conspiracy or collusion involved.

Or, maybe they are just doing bad science.

I know it's hard to believe, but not everything is a conspiracy. Some things are as they appear.

barfo

 

[SlyPokerDog]

I am seriously impressed and amazed how Barfo and Denny can go from thread to thread and find new shit to argue about.

It's like they're 2 sides of the same damaged penny.

 

[barfo]

I am seriously impressed and amazed how Barfo and Denny can go from thread to thread and find new shit to argue about.

It's like they're 2 sides of the same damaged penny.

It's not that hard. He's wrong about everything, so I just have to take the opposite side. Whatever that is, it's guaranteed to be correct.

barfo

 

[Denny Crane]

Or, maybe they are just doing bad science.

I know it's hard to believe, but not everything is a conspiracy. Some things are as they appear.

barfo

Or certainly you are wrong.

The researchers who continue acknowledge that the flaws in the original announcement are the main cause of the subject's marginalization, and they complain of a chronic lack of funding[76] and no possibilities of getting their work published in the highest impact journals.[77] University researchers are often unwilling to investigate cold fusion because they would be ridiculed by their colleagues and their professional careers would be at risk.[78] In 1994, David Goodstein, a professor of physics at Caltech, advocated for increased attention from mainstream researchers and described cold fusion as:

a pariah field, cast out by the scientific establishment. Between cold fusion and respectable science there is virtually no communication at all. Cold fusion papers are almost never published in refereed scientific journals, with the result that those works don't receive the normal critical scrutiny that science requires. On the other hand, because the Cold-Fusioners see themselves as a community under siege, there is little internal criticism. Experiments and theories tend to be accepted at face value, for fear of providing even more fuel for external critics, if anyone outside the group was bothering to listen. In these circumstances, crackpots flourish, making matters worse for those who believe that there is serious science going on here.[30]

A 1991 review by a cold fusion proponent had calculated "about 600 scientists" were still conducting research.[79] After 1991, cold fusion research only continued in relative obscurity, conducted by groups that had increasing difficulty securing public funding and keeping programs open. These small but committed groups of cold fusion researchers have continued to conduct experiments using Fleischmann and Pons electrolysis set-ups in spite of the rejection by the mainstream community.[11][72] The Boston Globe estimated in 2004 that there were only 100 to 200 researchers working in the field, most suffering damage to their reputation and career.[80] Since the main controversy over Pons and Fleischmann had ended, cold fusion research has been funded by private and small governmental scientific investment funds in the United States, Italy, Japan, and India.

United States

Cold fusion apparatus at the Space and Naval Warfare Systems Center San Diego (2005)

U.S. Navy researchers at the Space and Naval Warfare Systems Center (SPAWAR) in San Diego have been studying cold fusion since 1989.[71][81] In 2002, they released a two-volume report, "Thermal and nuclear aspects of the Pd/D2O system," with a plea for funding.[82] This and other published papers prompted a 2004 Department of Energy (DOE) review.[71]

 

[MarAzul]

It's not that hard. He's wrong about everything, so I just have to take the opposite side. Whatever that is, it's guaranteed to be correct.

barfo

http://www.webmd.com/schizophrenia/delusional-disorder

 

[Denny Crane]

It's not that hard. He's wrong about everything, so I just have to take the opposite side. Whatever that is, it's guaranteed to be correct.

barfo

You're on the wrong side of this argument, too.

 

[barfo]

crackpots flourish

For sure.

barfo

 

[barfo]

You're on the wrong side of this argument, too.

Sure, well, if cold fusion works, you should have an easy time of proving it. It's only been 25 years... where's the beef, Denny?

barfo

 

[3RA1N1AC]

There are no tax subsidies going to oil companies, just to green energy ones.

"breaks"

 

[Denny Crane]

"breaks"

There are no tax breaks for oil companies.

http://www.nationaljournal.com/energy/breaking-it-down-oil-industry-tax-breaks-20110512

All things listed are available to every kind of company.

 

[Denny Crane]

Sure, well, if cold fusion works, you should have an easy time of proving it. It's only been 25 years... where's the beef, Denny?

barfo

It doesn't work yet. You're wrong that I said it did.

The nuclear reaction didn't work either. Until they figured chain reactions.

I think they will figure out cold fusion. It's a matter of when.

 

[barfo]

It doesn't work yet. You're wrong that I said it did.

The nuclear reaction didn't work either. Until they figured chain reactions.

I think they will figure out cold fusion. It's a matter of when.

Well, ok. So we should put taxpayer money into technologies that don't yet show any promise. Like solar power, right, Denny?

barfo

 

[3RA1N1AC]

There are no tax breaks for oil companies.

http://www.nationaljournal.com/energy/breaking-it-down-oil-industry-tax-breaks-20110512

All things listed are available to every kind of company.

all 3 of the things listed in this one article? cool story.

"Here’s the breakdown of some of the industry's tax breaks..."

 

[Denny Crane]

Well, ok. So we should put taxpayer money into technologies that don't yet show any promise. Like solar power, right, Denny?

barfo

Or dig a hole to China. The things you'd spend on are just as pointless.

 

[Denny Crane]

all 3 of the things listed in this one article? cool story.

"Here’s the breakdown of some of the industry's tax breaks..."

They get tax breaks that every company gets. They get to depreciate land and equipment, credit for R&D, get to deduct their expenses.

You must have some "breaks" in mind. You brought it up.

 

[barfo]

Or dig a hole to China. The things you'd spend on are just as pointless.

Sure, but I'm a liberal. I'm supposed to be in favor of spending money on pointless trifles. You are supposed to be an anti-government yahoo, and so you are supposed to be against anything that doesn't immediately increase the wealth of the upper class. I don't understand why you want to throw taxpayer money away on cold fusion.

Why are you in favor of big government, Denny?

barfo