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[SlyPokerDog]

Some trending tweets ....

"Anthony Wiener dicks Hillary out of Presidency"
"This is not the first Wiener to ruin Hillary's life"

Tweets don't trend, hashtags do.

 

[blue32]

Tweets don't trend, hashtags do.

well fuck, see, I dont tweeter so i have no idea what that shit is.

 

[julius]

It's hard to find dirt on someone when the witnesses keep magically dying.

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[julius]

Damn sly made it so I couldn't post stuff. this thread is rigged!

 

[Chris Craig]

This is getting ridiculous. Makes me wonder what might have been dredged up had other candidates won the nomination...wikilinks probably couldn't find much on Bernie, I don't think he even uses email...as for the other Republicans there would be a landfill worth of shit on them.

Both Hillary and Trump should step down and we should redo the election, both of them are knee deep in horse shit.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

Damn sly made it so I couldn't post stuff. this thread is rigged!

I'm making the forum great again, dammit!

 

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[bodyman5000 and 1]

So, Hillary threatened to have Weiner whacked? He is married to her "realllllly goooood friend"

 

[Chris Craig]

So, Hillary threatened to have Weiner whacked? He is married to her "realllllly goooood friend"

Is that what the email is about damn...she was gonna whack a Weiner?

 

[SlyPokerDog]

Is that what the email is about damn...she was gonna whack a Weiner?

If she whacks him too much she'll go blind. :MARIS61:

 

[e_blazer]

So you are choosing to believe in a conspiracy theory. That's your right as a red-blooded American, of course.

I didn't say I was choosing to believe in a conspiracy theory, I said I certainly thought it was possible that pressure could be brought to bear on Comey. We'll never know for sure, but I have to agree that his reopening the investigation today tends to support a conclusion that he was playing it as straight as he could. I do think that the fact that a secret meeting took place on an airplane between Loretta Lynch and former President Clinton certainly moves the discussion of conspiracy theories to beyond the tinfoil hat crowd.

I'm not here to defend Comey. I agree with you that he's in a tough position, but that's the job he signed up for. I'm not sure you or I can really argue with his conclusions given that he's seen the complete case and we haven't. We can certainly wallow in conspiracy theories - just realize that there are plenty on the left who think Comey went out of bounds in the other direction (probably many more now that he's reopened the investigation a few days before the election). If you think the government is fundamentally crooked and everyone involved is irredeemably corrupt, I guess I just don't see the evidence for that (because they destroyed it, right?).

There is no shortage of conspiracy theorists on both sides. My intent here was to show that I could certainly understand that reasonable pressures associated with his job would make it likely that Comey wouldn't push an indictment unless he was very strongly convinced that a conviction could be obtained. While I think it's pretty clear that laws were broken, I also think it's very likely that Hillary would have ultimately prevailed in court.

Pretty sure there was such a system, unless you believe that she was never sent any documents that had the (apparently usual) classified header. Remember that of all her thousands of emails, only 6 had classified markings of any type.

barfo

I just hadn't read much of anything in any of the media reports about how classified materials were supposed to have been transmitted. I did a little search and found this:

https://www.quora.com/How-did-Secre...if-she-only-used-a-private-unprotected-server

So, yes a secure system does exist. It appears that there were times when sloppiness resulted in classified materials being sent via the non-secure private system. While only a few were marked as classified, it was the responsibility of Clinton and her staff to ensure that no classified documents would ever be sent or received except through secure methods.

The fact that Comey is choosing to delve into this mess again is certainly significant. I can't imagine him choosing to do so unless the new emails are pretty serious. One thing is sure: this is the craziest damned election of my lifetime.

 

[Natebishop3]

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A shit ton of people associated with the Clintons have died over the years. Whether you believe that it was the Clintons behind it or not, the people did die. Most of the comprehensive lists are on websites that I would not consider.... reputable, but I'm pretty sure the lists are accurate. It's just the rumors about how or why they died that could be taken with a grain of salt.

https://www.truthorfiction.com/clintonfriends/

 

[barfo]

A shit ton of people associated with the Clintons have died over the years. Whether you believe that it was the Clintons behind it or not, the people did die. Most of the comprehensive lists are on websites that I would not consider.... reputable, but I'm pretty sure the lists are accurate. It's just the rumors about how or why they died that could be taken with a grain of salt.

https://www.truthorfiction.com/clintonfriends/

The Clintons are ~70 years old. When you get to that age, you'll find that a lot of people you've known have died or are dying.

Especially if you kill them, like the Clintons did.

barfo

 

[Natebishop3]

The Clintons are ~70 years old. When you get to that age, you'll find that a lot of people you've known have died or are dying.

Especially if you kill them, like the Clintons did.

barfo

Only a peasant kills people....... rich people like the Clintons have people to do that kind of thing for them.

 

[julius]

So...you have a list...but it's from a less than reputable source.


What are you, Alex Jones?

Btw, hilarious that this scandal has turned out to be a huge non story...Like pretty much all of the scandals in this election .

As if people running things think this is 1950, where you can just make an accusation and it carrys enought weight...because no one will research it.

 

[Denny Crane]

She must be the best ever at obstructing justice, then. She must be much, much smarter than all of you haters.

barfo

They couldn't prove Capone committed murder and all his other crimes. People who are skilled crooks are just that. Skilled.

She's had more practice than just about anyone else.

 

[barfo]

They couldn't prove Capone committed murder and all his other crimes. People who are skilled crooks are just that. Skilled.

She's had more practice than just about anyone else.

And yet Capone did go to jail (I think). In any case they did get him on tax evasion. You've got 30 years of Hillary's tax returns, where's the tax evasion?

You've got nothing. People who are conspiracy theorists and haters are like that. They've got no evidence, but they are absolutely convinced.

barfo

 

[Denny Crane]

And yet Capone did go to jail (I think). In any case they did get him on tax evasion. You've got 30 years of Hillary's tax returns, where's the tax evasion?

You've got nothing. People who are conspiracy theorists and haters are like that. They've got no evidence, but they are absolutely convinced.

barfo

The FBI has something. They did before , too.

So did special prosecutors along the way.

 

[bodyman5000 and 1]

And yet Capone did go to jail (I think). In any case they did get him on tax evasion. You've got 30 years of Hillary's tax returns, where's the tax evasion?

You've got nothing. People who are conspiracy theorists and haters are like that. They've got no evidence, but they are absolutely convinced.

barfo

Weird, you'd think Donald Trump should be in prison too wouldn't ya? I mean he's been assaulting women and ripping off business partners for 40 plus years. Funny that the only two people to get away with their crimes made it to the final vote for President.

 

[barfo]

Weird, you'd think Donald Trump should be in prison too wouldn't ya? I mean he's been assaulting women and ripping off business partners for 40 plus years. Funny that the only two people to get away with their crimes made it to the final vote for President.

Yes, very odd. I guess it is all one enormous conspiracy. It's a wonder they were able to keep it secret so long.

barfo

 

[Natebishop3]

So...you have a list...but it's from a less than reputable source.


What are you, Alex Jones?

Btw, hilarious that this scandal has turned out to be a huge non story...Like pretty much all of the scandals in this election .

As if people running things think this is 1950, where you can just make an accusation and it carrys enought weight...because no one will research it.

The only people who have a compiled list are sites like that :MARIS61:

 

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[MARIS61]

Hillary, after attempting to destroy over 30,000 emails of evidence which had been subpoenaed then destroying the devices they were on with a hammer and burning them, is now calling for the FBI to immediately make public everything they know.

You can find the details here: hypocrisyisoftenironic.com

 

[MARIS61]

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/...clinton-emails-kass-1030-20161028-column.html

Has America become so numb by the decades of lies and cynicism oozing from Clinton Inc. that it could elect Hillary Clinton as president, even after Friday's FBI announcement that it had reopened an investigation of her emails while secretary of state?

We'll find out in a little more than a week.


It's obvious the American political system is breaking down. It's been crumbling for some time now, and the establishment elite know it and they're properly frightened. Donald Trump, the vulgarian at their gates, is a symptom, not a cause. Hillary Clinton and husband Bill are both cause and effect.

FBI director James Comey's announcement about the renewed Clinton email investigation is the bombshell in the presidential campaign. That he announced this so close to Election Day should tell every thinking person that what the FBI is looking at is extremely serious.

This can't be about pervert Anthony Weiner and his reported desire for a teenage girl. But it can be about the laptop of Weiner's wife, Clinton aide Huma Abedin, and emails between her and Hillary. It comes after the FBI investigation in which Comey concluded Clinton had lied and been "reckless" with national secrets, but said he could not recommend prosecution.

So what should the Democrats do now?

If ruling Democrats hold themselves to the high moral standards they impose on the people they govern, they would follow a simple process:

They would demand that Mrs. Clinton step down, immediately, and let her vice presidential nominee, Sen. Tim Kaine of Virginia, stand in her place.


Democrats should say, honestly, that with a new criminal investigation going on into events around her home-brew email server from the time she was secretary of state, having Clinton anywhere near the White House is just not a good idea.

Since Oct. 7, WikiLeaks has released 35,000 emails hacked from Clinton campaign boss John Podesta. Now WikiLeaks, no longer a neutral player but an active anti-Clinton agency, plans to release another 15,000 emails.

What if she is elected? Think of a nation suffering a bad economy and continuing chaos in the Middle East, and now also facing a criminal investigation of a president. Add to that congressional investigations and a public vision of Clinton as a Nixonian figure wandering the halls, wringing her hands.

The best thing would be for Democrats to ask her to step down now. It would be the most responsible thing to do, if the nation were more important to them than power. And the American news media — fairly or not firmly identified in the public mind as Mrs. Clinton's political action committee — should begin demanding it.

But what will Hillary do?

She'll stick and ride this out and turn her anger toward Comey. For Hillary and Bill Clinton, it has always been about power, about the Clinton Restoration and protecting fortunes already made by selling nothing but political influence.

She'll remind the nation that she's a woman and that Donald Trump said terrible things about women. If there is another notorious Trump video to be leaked, the Clintons should probably leak it now. Then her allies in media can talk about misogyny and sexual politics and the headlines can be all about Trump as the boor he is and Hillary as champion of female victims, which she has never been.

Remember that Bill Clinton leveraged the "Year of the Woman." Then he preyed on women in the White House and Hillary protected him. But the political left — most particularly the women of the left — defended him because he promised to protect abortion rights and their other agendas.

If you take a step back from tribal politics, you'll see that Mrs. Clinton has clearly disqualified herself from ever coming near classified information again. If she were a young person straight out of grad school hoping to land a government job, Hillary Clinton would be laughed out of Washington with her record. She'd never be hired.

As secretary of state she kept classified documents on the home-brew server in her basement, which is against the law. She lied about it to the American people. She couldn't remember details dozens of times when questioned by the FBI. Her aides destroyed evidence by BleachBit and hammers. Her husband, Bill, met secretly on an airport tarmac with Attorney General Loretta Lynch for about a half-hour, and all they said they talked about was golf and the grandkids.

And there was no prosecution of Hillary.

That isn't merely wrong and unethical. It is poisonous.

And during this presidential campaign, Americans were confronted with a two-tiered system of federal justice: one for standards for the Clintons and one for the peasants.

I've always figured that, as secretary of state, Clinton kept her home-brew email server — from which foreign intelligence agencies could hack top secret information — so she could shield the influence peddling that helped make the Clintons several fortunes.

The Clintons weren't skilled merchants. They weren't traders or manufacturers. The Clintons never produced anything tangible. They had no science, patents or devices to make them millions upon millions of dollars.

All they had to sell, really, was influence. And they used our federal government to leverage it.

If a presidential election is as much about the people as it is about the candidates, then we'll learn plenty about ourselves in the coming days, won't we?

 

[SlyPokerDog]

Mexicans already planning on how to get through Trump's wall.