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Travis Kelce did a public service announcement encouraging Covid vaccine. Taylor Swift posted a link to voter registration.
Oh the unspeakable evil. Stay alive and vote.
 
barfo said:
Thanks for the reply! Some interesting stuff in there, let's dive in.

As far as stopping traffic goes, I believe that's currently illegal. So I'm not sure what more you want to do. Lock them up? Huge fines? Shoot on sight?

As far as cutting off aid based on bad decision-making, who is to be the judge of that?
And what if that poor decision maker has kids? Punish the kids? Put them in an orphanage?
Do people learn to make better decisions if they don't get any support?
What if they simply aren't capable of making good decisions? Some people are broken.
Is society at large better off if you cut off aid to such people? Doesn't that tend to increase homelessness, crime, and general desperation? Isn't it cheaper to provide the aid than deal with the effects of no aid?
Of all the positions of yours that you listed, this is the only one that seems even remotely "republican" to me. You definitely took Reagan's "welfare queen" rhetoric to heart.



You agree with that? That we should abandon our allies, cozy up to Putin and other dictators, be hostile to other religions and generally anyone non-white, withdraw from global commerce, etc.?

As far as a test to be able to vote goes, that has been used effectively in the past to prevent certain 'undesirables' from voting, and has since been judged unconstitutional. But maybe as a compromise we could count the votes of those who fail the test as 3/5ths of a vote?

You don't have to call me a cat, but I will sharpen my nails on your leg anyway.

barfo
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Hello Barfo,

those are valid questions, some of which will force me to reevaluate some of my opinions. I’m happy to further the discussion in DM if you like but I do not think it is good for me to continue here in the open forum. I’m sorry.
 
Chris Craig said:
That graph is probably more so comparing liberal mindedness to conservative mindedness rather than Democrat and Republican. Those are really just the political parties we associate with and are actually quite different in how they are work currently in government. The Republicans are taking away a lot of people's civil rights. They are doing the exactly the thing you are saying you don't want, trying to force others to acknowledge or believe their way of thinking.

Are Democrats really doing that? I don't see it that way.

Republicans have used religion to try and force beliefs or ways of thinking. It's become extreme to the point it's being used to take away people's rights.

But Liberals and Conservatives do share some core views yes. Family, friends, community, etc

Yes, there is a breakdown at science. This sudden rejection of science by the right is head scratching.

I believe in science. Science says life starts with a heartbeat, not at conception.

I believe in spiritually. Religion can be good but is too often abused and is used to separate people and create divisiveness, the opposite for what it's intended to be.

I agree with limited government overreach in the private sector. I agree with oversight of corporations to curb corruption.

I believe in the constitution and the structure of government. I see the corruption and abuse of both though. I don't often agree with those elected to offices. I see a lot of damage being done.

I believe in campaign finance reform.

Independents should be able to vote in whichever primary they want.

I don't agree completely with America first because it entails cutting off help and support to all of our allies like Ukraine and undermining economic partnerships. We need to find a balance between better taking care of ourselves here (I e. homelessness, mental health, wealth gap etc) and helping abroad.

The welfare state is complex. Yeah, some people maybe lazy and gaming the system, but the wealth gap and Inflation is so much it's hard to impossible to keep up with, hence people needing and staying on government aid.

I don't think kids should be voting. They aren't mature enough to make these important choices. They would be to easily manipulated. Though, sadly that is happening to a lot of adults lately. Which is probably part of the wheel chair bound woman in the videos issue.

Media should be better regulated, but a lot of what is being referred to as fake news, isn't fake news. That's mostly just a childish phrase that politicians like Trump are using to attack media referring to them in a not so good light. Could the media be fairer, better, sure.

Sure, generally speaking men have penises and women have vaginas. That is after all what was in our middle school and high school textbooks growing up, what we learned naturally.

Science does support being transgender.

It doesn't appear the guy doing the speech in the video wanted to have a legitimate conversation. He told the transgender woman she had fooled others into thinking she was female. He seemed to not have any intention of being convinced otherwise.

The transgender woman seemed to struggle and probably wasn't as articulate as she maybe could have been. But, I got it.

This man was trying to get her to convince him (not really) why she thought/felt/knew she was a woman. He said, he only saw a man, because he wasn't willing to see a woman. I saw a woman, because she said she was. I don't need convincing. She identifies as a woman. She's a woman. I don't care what's under her jeans or shirt. It's the truth because it's her truth and many others truths and I accept that as the truth. I think women have vaginas and some transgender people are women can both be true.

Why does that guy care so much? Why do so many care so much that they have to have a speaking seminar where they all have to stand around and proclaim women have tits and vaginas?
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Sorry Chris, I can’t continue this discussion in this open forum as I’ve already been told I’m starting things. Feel free to DM me or text me and I’m always happy to discuss anything further with you.
im sorry.
 
Everything Beagle said:
Get your trans talk out of normal posts. There's a fucking thread for talking about this stupid trans stuff. Use it.

I don't come to OT looking for god damn tran talk. Get that shit out of here.
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crandc said:
Especially from someone who doesn't know what he's talking about.
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Everything Beagle said:
Exactly. It's the old joke: People ask me if I'm a man or a woman. What I am is FUCKING TIRED of this shit.
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Everything Beagle said:
I feel really bad today because I was literally just doing a bit to try and be funny and failed. "Get your tans talk out of here" was said ironically, in that kind of "stop shoving your identity down my throat" way conservatives whine about queer people existing. But then everyone took it seriously so I had to as well. In a way I was trying to say "stop shoving my identity down your my throat".

Sometimes it feels like conservatives have made me being trans a bigger part of their identity than it is of mine. I find that funny, is all.

However, emotions are essential to debate, because without emotions, nothing would be worth debating. You don't dispassionately gain voting rights or the right to marry or the right to life-saving care. That doesn't happen with calm voices and quiet words. All of those rights were earned by passionate display. It's in this way that I feel his point is flawed. Being calm doesn't make you right, and being angry doesn't make you wrong.
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In a fairly serious discussion going on, I’m not sure how I’m supposed to know the above was a joke?

I suppose that’s on me too….
 
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A reporter asked Trump about paying judgement against him. He didn't know what was being talked about. What judgement? The reporter talked about Carroll and pending New York trial. Trump said he won great victory in appeals court. Except he didn't. He imagined it.

But Biden is old.
 
crandc said:
A reporter asked Trump about paying judgement against him. He didn't know what was being talked about. What judgement? The reporter talked about Carroll and pending New York trial. Trump said he won great victory in appeals court. Except he didn't. He imagined it.

But Biden is old.
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I think Trump was answering that way because his base will believe what he's saying, and not because he thinks that is actually what happened.
 
julius said:
I think Trump was answering that way because his base will believe what he's saying, and not because he thinks that is actually what happened.
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But, if he won the appeal which he hasn't and likely won't then his base won't be able to pay for it for him.
 
Sounds like he is trying to get a retrial based on the Judge knowing Carroll's lawyer. Apparently, the Judge is/was Carroll's lawyers mentor.
 
Chris Craig said:
Sounds like he is trying to get a retrial based on the Judge knowing Carroll's lawyer. Apparently, the Judge is/was Carroll's lawyers mentor.
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Carroll's attorney worked as a junior associate at the same law firm as the judge when he was a partner there in the 1990s. They never worked together, no cases together, no clients the same, and different areas of the law. The law firm had over 1000 lawyers.

Trump's lawyer has already canceled her BS accusations.
 
SlyPokerDog said:
Carroll's attorney worked as a junior associate at the same law firm as the judge when he was a partner there in the 1990s. They never worked together, no cases together, no clients the same, and different areas of the law. The law firm had over 1000 lawyers.

Trump's lawyer has already canceled her BS accusations.
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Good.

I want no weasel room
 
'Incompetent' Alina Habba dubbed 'deep state plant to destroy Donald Trump' in new theory

The lawyer who boasted she could “fake being smart” before earning client Donald Trump an $83.3 million defamation penalty is at the center of a new conspiracy theory, an Anti-Defamation League expert announced Wednesday.

“The ‘Alina Habba was a deep state plant to destroy Donald Trump’ theory has entered the building,” historian and right-wing extremism expert Mark Pitcavage wrote.

Pitcavage shared with his X followers a tweet from UltraMAGAGirl arguing Habba’s shaky defense in E. Jean Carroll’s New York City defamation trial was purposefully incompetent.

“I DONT [sic] TRUST ALINA HABBA!!” UltraMAGAGirl writes. “I believe she is deep state plant.”

The MAGA fan’s comment arrived on the heels of Trump’s announcement that he was seeking new attorneys to pursue an appeal in the case.

It also comes as Habba faces a threat of sanctions from Carroll’s lawyer Roberta Kaplan, over a letter in which Habba confusingly bolded the statute that appears to disprove her own alleged ethics violation.

UltraMAGAGirl’s theory raised questions for X user Debbie Hemenway, who wanted to know, “Has anyone ever seen Habba and Taylor Swift in the same room at the same time? Hmmm?”

The pop star is also at the center of a far-right conspiracy theory that argues the Super Bowl will be rigged so she can endorse President Joe Biden in the 2024 election.

X user @CLSRoach argued the MAGA girl’s theory had a serious flaw.

“‘Our guy hires incompetent people ALL the time’ isn’t the flex they think it is,” she wrote.

“I wonder who forced Trump to hire Alina Habba,” replied @narcissistchro1. “For the guy who's going to save us from the deep state, he sure gets fooled by the deep state a lot.”

The comment actually did raise a serious concern for Nancy Orsolini, which Pitcavage was happy to address.

“They don’t give him any credit at all,” Orsolini said. “It’s these other entities who are preventing him from seeking and ultimately having, good solid counsel.”

“It's a psychological reaction,” Pitcavage replied. “Many Russians thought that about Stalin; many early Americans thought that about King George III.”

The psychological reaction has been shared by several social media users.

“Alina Habba is a deep state plant,” Louis Cyphre wrote on Jan. 28. “She tanked Trump’s defense on purpose.”

“You are a deep state plant,” wrote Mike Brady, responding to one of Habba’s own posts. "You clown."

https://www.rawstory.com/alina-habba-deep-state-plant/
 
SlyPokerDog said:
'Incompetent' Alina Habba dubbed 'deep state plant to destroy Donald Trump' in new theory

The lawyer who boasted she could “fake being smart” before earning client Donald Trump an $83.3 million defamation penalty is at the center of a new conspiracy theory, an Anti-Defamation League expert announced Wednesday.

“The ‘Alina Habba was a deep state plant to destroy Donald Trump’ theory has entered the building,” historian and right-wing extremism expert Mark Pitcavage wrote.

Pitcavage shared with his X followers a tweet from UltraMAGAGirl arguing Habba’s shaky defense in E. Jean Carroll’s New York City defamation trial was purposefully incompetent.

“I DONT [sic] TRUST ALINA HABBA!!” UltraMAGAGirl writes. “I believe she is deep state plant.”

The MAGA fan’s comment arrived on the heels of Trump’s announcement that he was seeking new attorneys to pursue an appeal in the case.

It also comes as Habba faces a threat of sanctions from Carroll’s lawyer Roberta Kaplan, over a letter in which Habba confusingly bolded the statute that appears to disprove her own alleged ethics violation.

UltraMAGAGirl’s theory raised questions for X user Debbie Hemenway, who wanted to know, “Has anyone ever seen Habba and Taylor Swift in the same room at the same time? Hmmm?”

The pop star is also at the center of a far-right conspiracy theory that argues the Super Bowl will be rigged so she can endorse President Joe Biden in the 2024 election.

X user @CLSRoach argued the MAGA girl’s theory had a serious flaw.

“‘Our guy hires incompetent people ALL the time’ isn’t the flex they think it is,” she wrote.

“I wonder who forced Trump to hire Alina Habba,” replied @narcissistchro1. “For the guy who's going to save us from the deep state, he sure gets fooled by the deep state a lot.”

The comment actually did raise a serious concern for Nancy Orsolini, which Pitcavage was happy to address.

“They don’t give him any credit at all,” Orsolini said. “It’s these other entities who are preventing him from seeking and ultimately having, good solid counsel.”

“It's a psychological reaction,” Pitcavage replied. “Many Russians thought that about Stalin; many early Americans thought that about King George III.”

The psychological reaction has been shared by several social media users.

“Alina Habba is a deep state plant,” Louis Cyphre wrote on Jan. 28. “She tanked Trump’s defense on purpose.”

“You are a deep state plant,” wrote Mike Brady, responding to one of Habba’s own posts. "You clown."

https://www.rawstory.com/alina-habba-deep-state-plant/
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If Habba shows up in Swifts suite at the super bowl, we know what's up.
 
Voodoo said:
I can’t keep up with the insanity, what happened? What’s going on? Who are these lunatics? And why are they so upset?
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Honesty I feel like there needs to be a Google translate for MAGAts into American English so is sane people can at least get a gist of what is going on. The drama and fake outrage is just too exhausting and confusing to keep up with.
 
So Trump IS running for president again? So confused. I thought he COULDN’T!?!?
 
THE HCP said:
So Trump IS running for president again? So confused. I thought he COULDN’T!?!?
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Blazers don’t let you get out much eh? Yes, there’s a court case pending for whether he can run or not under the 14th amendment. There’s a sedition clause that states anyone leading sedition against the government cannot run for public office. It hasn’t been settled yet though.
 
THE HCP said:
So Trump IS running for president again? So confused. I thought he COULDN’T!?!?
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In the sense that those fucking morons think he won the 2020 election, by their own logic, he can't since a President is limited to 2 terms.

But if you really want to understand what MAGA is doing or saying, grab the nearest cinder block and ask someone to drop it from a considerable height straight onto your forehead. After that, you should be fluent in Maga-speak.
 
julius said:
In the sense that those fucking morons think he won the 2020 election, by their own logic, he can't since a President is limited to 2 terms.

But if you really want to understand what MAGA is doing or saying, grab the nearest cinder block and ask someone to drop it from a considerable height straight onto your forehead. After that, you should be fluent in Maga-speak.
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That was funny! lol.
 
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