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beast blazer said:
Now milk has become politicized? Those issues with sanitation were in a time when cities were cesspools.

There are many who drink raw milk all the time.

So many are hyper fixated on bacteria, but not the fraken-chemicals in their food.
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Yes, and many more who drink raw milk get sick than those who drink pasteurized milk.

If this is political it's due to lack of education.
 
Phatguysrule said:
Yes, and many more who drink raw milk get sick than those who drink pasteurized milk.

If this is political it's due to lack of education.
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How many actually get sick from it though these days? Raw eggs are also said to be dangerous, but really only 1 in 33k eggs is infected, and less so with eggs that aren't factory farmed. I've eaten plenty of raw eggs and never got sick (though it's not good because the raw egg whites bind biotin, not because of the salmonella danger).

Foods that have been the staple of traditional diets are not dangerous. These issues didn't pop up till they started milking cows in the cesspool cities of the 19th century.

The Massai don't pasturize their milk, and raw milk is the main component of their diet. Do they look unhealthy to you? The danger is the franken-food crap that has littered the US diet.

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beast blazer said:
How many actually get sick from it though these days? Raw eggs are also said to be dangerous, but really only 1 in 33k eggs is infected, and less so with eggs that aren't factory farmed. I've eaten plenty of raw eggs and never got sick (though it's not good because the raw egg whites bind biotin, not because of the salmonella danger).

Foods that have been the staple of traditional diets are not dangerous. These issues didn't pop up till they started milking cows in the cesspool cities of the 19th century.

The Massai don't pasturize their milk, and raw milk is the main component of their diet. Do they look unhealthy to you? The danger is the franken-food crap that has littered the US diet.

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Unpasteurized milk, consumed by only 3.2% of the population, and cheese, consumed by only 1.6% of the population, caused 96% of illnesses caused by contaminated dairy products. Unpasteurized dairy products thus cause 840 (95% CrI 611–1,158) times more illnesses and 45 (95% CrI 34–59) times more hospitalizations than pasteurized products. As consumption of unpasteurized dairy products grows, illnesses will increase steadily; a doubling in the consumption of unpasteurized milk or cheese could increase outbreak-related illnesses by 96%.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5443421/

So again. Lack of education.
 
beast blazer said:
The Massai don't pasturize their milk, and raw milk is the main component of their diet. Do they look unhealthy to you? The danger is the franken-food crap that has littered the US diet.
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Seriously? You really don't understand the difference between getting milk from a cow in your backyard compared to a commercial dairy operation?
 
This guy's going to run the country when his people can't even organize a fan bus.

 
Phatguysrule said:
Unpasteurized milk, consumed by only 3.2% of the population, and cheese, consumed by only 1.6% of the population, caused 96% of illnesses caused by contaminated dairy products. Unpasteurized dairy products thus cause 840 (95% CrI 611–1,158) times more illnesses and 45 (95% CrI 34–59) times more hospitalizations than pasteurized products. As consumption of unpasteurized dairy products grows, illnesses will increase steadily; a doubling in the consumption of unpasteurized milk or cheese could increase outbreak-related illnesses by 96%.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5443421/

So again. Lack of education.
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That study was debunked due to the numbers being heavily skewed by a single incident. The incident involved unpasteurized goat cheese that was stored improperly and caused multiple illnesses.
We already argued this before. The incidence of getting ill from raw milk or eggs is nearly non-existent. Comparing a 0.00001% chance to a 0.0001% chance, yeah you can technically say “much more likely” but it doesn’t actually mean shit when the numbers are so minuscule that nobody is being affected by it. Who actually cares what milk other people are drinking anyway?
 
jonnyboy said:
That study was debunked due to the numbers being heavily skewed by a single incident. The incident involved unpasteurized goat cheese that was stored improperly and caused multiple illnesses.
We already argued this before. The incidence of getting ill from raw milk or eggs is nearly non-existent. Comparing a 0.00001% chance to a 0.0001% chance, yeah you can technically say “much more likely” but it doesn’t actually mean shit when the numbers are so minuscule that nobody is being affected by it. Who actually cares what milk other people are drinking anyway?
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I don't care what milk anybody drinks. I care that they have the correct information about safety.

This has not been debunked. Nearly all of this illness and death would have been avoided with pasteurization.
 
Phatguysrule said:
I don't care what milk anybody drinks. I care that they have the correct information about safety.

This has not ben debunked. Nearly all of this illness and death would have been avoided with pasteurization.
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All of this illness and death! The humanity!

When the scary milk kills more people than all the dead kids in Ukraine i will take your concern for human life seriously.
 
jonnyboy said:
All of this illness and death! The humanity!

When the scary milk kills more people than all the dead kids in Ukraine i will take your concern for human life seriously.
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My concern is about the accuracy of information and freedom.

Ukrain is free to defend themselves from invasion. And I 100% support helping them do so.

Just as I 100% support accurate information and calling out dangerous misinformation.

I am also not concerned about how seriously you take anything.
 
Are there any public health measures Republicans don't oppose? Vaccines, pasteurization, fluoridation. Should we all start smoking to prove independent thought?
 
This seems so easy to clear up. Just have Beast and Johnny drink only unpasteurized milk for a month.
 
SlyPokerDog said:
Seriously? You really don't understand the difference between getting milk from a cow in your backyard compared to a commercial dairy operation?
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You're the one who doesn't understand. Raw milk isn't coming from commercial dairy operations. Only small time farmers sell it.
 
crandc said:
Are there any public health measures Republicans don't oppose? Vaccines, pasteurization, fluoridation. Should we all start smoking to prove independent thought?
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The DHS recently admitted that fluoridation lowers IQ.

Democrats love fluoridation.

A mere coincidence?

I think not.

BTW, it's like been agreed upon that fluoride has no systemic value, only topical. Yet you gleefully swallow it.

Another coincidence? Absolutely not.
 
PCmor7 said:
This seems so easy to clear up. Just have Beast and Johnny drink only unpasteurized milk for a month.
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This conversation is very interesting to me. While I wouldn't dream of drinking unpasteurized milk these days it was quite different for me as a young teen back in the late 60's. In those days I spent my summers working on a dairy farm on the Oregon Coast. After the morning milking we would often fill up a gallon jug of fresh milk from the cooling tank for use for the family. The milk was obviously not pasteurized as it had not yet been picked up for delivery to the Tillamook cheese factory. Not only was the milk fresh and very tasty, after sitting in the fridge for a day the cream would rise to the top and the old farmers wife would skim it off for cooking = this was just part of their life. No one ever got sick in those days but I sure wouldn't risk it today.
 
Kano John said:
This conversation is very interesting to me. While I wouldn't dream of drinking unpasteurized milk these days it was quite different for me as a young teen back in the late 60's. In those days I spent my summers working on a dairy farm on the Oregon Coast. After the morning milking we would often fill up a gallon jug of fresh milk from the cooling tank for use for the family. The milk was obviously not pasteurized as it had not yet been picked up for delivery to the Tillamook cheese factory. Not only was the milk fresh and very tasty, after sitting in the fridge for a day the cream would rise to the top and the old farmers wife would skim it off for cooking = this was just part of their life. No one ever got sick in those days but I sure wouldn't risk it today.
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Sounds awesome.

However, people did get sick in those days. We just didn't collect the data so we didn't know.
 
Also, when you drink right from the dairy it is very fresh. Microbes haven't had a lot of time to proliferate. They were small family dairies, not industrial with hundreds of cows lined up. Although as @Phatguysrule said probably people still got sick, just not as much.
 
There’s nothing wrong with pasteurization, I don’t think anyone claimed that. It serves it’s intended purpose of killing microbes and extending shelf life. There’s just also nothing wrong with people enjoying the benefits and flavor of fresh raw milk if they so desire. It shouldn’t be a politicized issue. It shouldn’t be an issue at all.
 
jonnyboy said:
There’s nothing wrong with pasteurization, I don’t think anyone claimed that. It serves it’s intended purpose of killing microbes and extending shelf life. There’s just also nothing wrong with people enjoying the benefits and flavor of fresh raw milk if they so desire. It shouldn’t be a politicized issue. It shouldn’t be an issue at all.
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It's not illegal to drink it. It's only illegal to sell it across state lines. Some states may have more strict restrictions.

There is no reason to spread misinformation like "it doesn't make people sick". Raw milk very clearly makes significantly more people sick than pasteurized milk does.
 
beast blazer said:
The DHS recently admitted that fluoridation lowers IQ.

Democrats love fluoridation.

A mere coincidence?

I think not.

BTW, it's like been agreed upon that fluoride has no systemic value, only topical. Yet you gleefully swallow it.

Another coincidence? Absolutely not.
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Many municipalities are abandoning the addition of fluoride these days at the will of the public. I imagine the practice being extinct within a decade. The big ag/fertilizer industry will have to start disposing of their toxic byproducts in another way (actually paying for proper disposal).
 
Phatguysrule said:
There is no reason to spread misinformation like "it doesn't make people sick". Raw milk very clearly makes significantly more people sick than pasteurized milk does.
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And on the contrary, to say “it makes people sick” is also a huge stretch. The numbers are so minuscule. You are playing with decimal points to make your bold proclamation of “many more people”. The numbers really aren’t significant either way.
 
jonnyboy said:
And on the contrary, to say “it makes people sick” is also a huge stretch. The numbers are so minuscule. You are playing with decimal points to make your bold proclamation of “many more people”. The numbers really aren’t significant either way.
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The numbers are miniscule in part because not many people drink raw milk and quality of milk on the market is strictly regulated. It could be a much larger problem if raw milk were not strictly regulated and people not educated on the risks.

The risk/reward leans heavily toward regulation of quality and education of risks. No idea why anybody is politicising such a glaring difference (raw milk is 800% more likely to make you sick, and there is no legitimate scientific data that shows any additional benefit of raw milk over pasteurized milk).

Nobody is preventing people from drinking local raw milk, and nobody is proposing any such restriction. Drinking or otherwise consuming raw milk is legal in all 50 states.
 
Fox host: You tweeted ‘when the looting starts, the shooting starts.’ Why those words?

Trump: So, that’s an expression I’ve heard over the years

Fox host: Do you know where it comes from?

Trump: I think Philadelphia

Fox host: No, it comes from 1967. It was from the chief of police in Miami who was cracking down on Black neighborhoods and he said, ‘I don't even care if it makes it look like brutality. I'm gonna crack down. When the looting starts, the shooting starts’

Trump: Yeah

 
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We have Aseurasians in our room
We have so many we just can't, can't, can't
We have Aseurasians in our room

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jonnyboy said:
Many municipalities are abandoning the addition of fluoride these days at the will of the public. I imagine the practice being extinct within a decade. The big ag/fertilizer industry will have to start disposing of their toxic byproducts in another way (actually paying for proper disposal).
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Well, in these parts, all the stupid leftists keep voting in favor of keeping it in.
 
beast blazer said:
Well, in these parts, all the stupid leftists keep voting in favor of keeping it in.
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Where are you located? I know Portland for awhile was the largest city in the nation to have voted against fluoridation. I think that was ten or so years ago, I don’t know the status now.
 
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