Politics The U.S. is no longer a ‘full democracy,’ a new study warns

[bodyman5000 and 1]

Denny said the comparison was dishonest.



I'm trying to figure out what exactly is dishonest about it. I even went and found much higher resolution versions of the picture. I'm not the one coming up with JFK conspiracy theories, you and Denny are. I'm just posting pictures.

Pictures with nothing to compare each other with other than the vantage point of the camera. Go to a Laker game and take a photo of the crowd at tipoff. Check back in the third quarter.

 

[bodyman5000 and 1]

Do you have something from the same vantage point that shows a larger crowd?

The vantage point is fine. The two photos are from nearly the same point and one clearly has more people in it. Not disputing it.The photos Denny posted were from basically the same vantage point and showed something different.

I wasn't there and I'm actually curious as to why there would be so much open space in areas much closer to the front.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

Pictures with nothing to compare each other with other than the vantage point of the camera. Go to a Laker game and take a photo of the crowd at tipoff. Check back in the third quarter.

Again, if you have pictures from the same or very similar vantage point that shows a larger crowd I would love to see them.

 

[Denny Crane]

No, dog. You are just reposting alternate facts.

The media lies, you're reposting their lies.

The Clinton photo is the slam dunk.

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2017/jan/20/inaugural-crowd-sizes-ranked/


Trump:

"Bill Clinton, 1993:800,000"

Clinton's crowd went all the way to the end of the mall. /greenfont

 

[Denny Crane]

Again, if you have pictures from the same or very similar vantage point that shows a larger crowd I would love to see them.

I'm done with your trolling.

 

[bodyman5000 and 1]

Again, if you have pictures from the same or very similar vantage point that shows a larger crowd I would love to see them.

See above.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

No, dog. You are just reposting alternate facts.

The media lies, you're reposting their lies.

The Clinton photo is the slam dunk.

Where did I post or mention a Clinton anything?

 

[SlyPokerDog]

I'm done with your trolling.

What trolling? I found other pics from the exact same vantage point you said was dishonest. Do you have pictures from the same vantage point that shows dishonesty? A larger crowd? Anything?

 

[bodyman5000 and 1]

The whole thing is as I mentioned, silly. They don't do estimates since the million man march. I guarantee you that if Hillary had won there would have been no empty space anywhere. People will come from all over for the first woman president.

 

[barfo]

Pictures with nothing to compare each other with other than the vantage point of the camera. Go to a Laker game and take a photo of the crowd at tipoff. Check back in the third quarter.

Good point. After Trump's speech didn't show any signs of hope, a lot of the crowd probably left.

barfo

 

[Denny Crane]

 

[SlyPokerDog]

No, dog. You are just reposting alternate facts.

The media lies, you're reposting their lies.

The Clinton photo is the slam dunk.

Where did I post or mention a Clinton anything?

I am so fucking impressed right now. That's not my twitter account but for you to actually hunt through twitter to find a dog twitter account that posted a picture of a faux Clinton inauguration is seriously amazing. Props!

 

[Denny Crane]

Clinton 1993 photo I posted. 800,000 says the media. They lie about their darlings.

 

[Shaboid]

 

[SlyPokerDog]

Clinton 1993 photo I posted. 800,000 says the media. They lie about their darlings.

I'm asking you to compare apples to apples (same vantage point showing a larger crowd) and you keep throwing in oranges and plums. I never said anything about Clinton.

 

[MarAzul]

Yawn.

 

[H.C.]

I agree with one thing of the OP.
America has been in decline for as long as I've been alive in terms of trusting government/media.
Won't change until people stop pointing fingers at one another.

 

[stampedehero]

In one of the rare threads I start...


https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...acy-a-new-study-warns/?utm_term=.15e0050dd862

The government of the United States got a downgrade this week: We're no longer a “full democracy,” according to the Economist Intelligence Unit's latest Democracy Index. For the first time, we were bumped down to “flawed,” thanks to an “erosion of public trust in political institutions.”

According to the report's authors, a flawed democracy has free elections but “weak governance, an underdeveloped political culture and low levels of political participation.” Other countries that share this dubious honor include Italy, Japan, France and India. Rankings are based on a country's electoral process, civil liberties, the functioning of government, political participation and political culture.

That downgrade puts us at 21 in the rankings. Norway, Iceland and Sweden were ranked as the world's most vibrant democracies, followed by New Zealand and Denmark; Canada and Ireland tied for sixth place. Syria and North Korea came, somewhat predictably, in last.

Americans are days into Donald Trump's presidency and just a couple of months out from one of the most divisive elections in history. But the report caution that our problems go back much further. The country has been “teetering on the brink” for years, the report says. Faith in our public institutions — including Congress, newspapers and banks — has been in decline for decades. Just 19 percent of Americans trust the government most of the time. Three-quarters believe that most elected officials put their own interests ahead of the country.

“Trust in political institutions is an essential component of well-functioning democracies. Yet surveys by Pew, Gallup and other polling agencies have confirmed that public confidence in government has slumped to historic lows in the U.S. This has had a corrosive effect on the quality of democracy,” the report found. This has created a “legitimacy crisis,” the report says.

The United States is in good company. Democracy is looking sickly the world over.

>Democracy causes too many know it all's to think they do know it all. Conversely, dictatorships have a leadership that does not allow anyone to know anything at all.

 

[stampedehero]

Since when was the United States a Democracy to begin with?

1787?

 

[stampedehero]

Awesome. The kid knows how to hammer it home. He has a future as a union carpenter.

 

[Denny Crane]

I'm asking you to compare apples to apples (same vantage point showing a larger crowd) and you keep throwing in oranges and plums. I never said anything about Clinton.

You show me pictures taken hours before the event or hours after the event.

I show you pictures taken with the candidates on stage that clearly show dense crowd where your pictures show empty space. Or with screens showing the candidate but different pictures on each screen (you know, they're warming up the crowd showing other speeches he made, but I digress).

I show you pictures of the same angle taken at Trump's and Clinton's inauguration and you refuse to comment.

Thus you're still trolling.

No thanks, I'm done playing.

The press is lying, you're posting what they're using to lie.

 

[stampedehero]

Aren't we a republic?

Are we a select wealthy group promoting a self serving enterprise benefitting the one percent of the entire population?

 

[SlyPokerDog]

Awesome. The kid knows how to hammer it home. He has a future as a union carpenter.

Or a vampire hunter.

 

[Denny Crane]

Study finds Clinton may have received 835,000 votes from illegal immigrants.


https://www.wired.com/2017/01/author-trumps-favorite-voter-fraud-study-says-everyones-wrong/

Richman himself is not backing down from his initial findings. He says that even if some people did check the wrong citizenship box, enough respondents repeatedly reported voting as noncitizens to indicate that some noncitizens do in fact vote. Even some of Richman’s detractors, such as Rick Hasen, author of the Election Law Blog, acknowledge that “noncitizen voting is a real, if relatively small, problem.” Richman says those on the left are just as wrong to reflexively claim that voter fraud doesn’t exist at all as Trump is to continue insisting voter fraud is a national conspiracy.

But Richman is unequivocal that even if his findings are correct, Clinton would have still handily won the popular vote in November, despite the new president’s claims.

“I can’t quite account for the math being so badly wrong in their analyses,” he says of the Trump administration’s interpretation of his report.

Here’s what the math should look like (that is, if Richman’s initial study was accurate—which many researchers doubt). If 6.4 percent of the estimated 20.3 million noncitizens in the US voted, and if just 81.8 percent of them voted for Clinton (the percentage who voted for Obama in his 2008 study), that’s an added margin of a little more than 835,000 votes. In other words: Even with all of those supposedly fraudulent ballots, Clinton still would have won the popular vote by more than 2 million votes.

 

[Chris Craig]

1787?

When we ratified the constituiton, nah that's when we became a republic